Emstar
The Shining One
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Ah, thanks! I didn't know there was a newer (or in progress but still unfinalized) one besides the one in the Informational Threadmark
Marked for Death: A Rational Naruto Quest
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- naruto rationalist romance armageddon is looking better and better damn you kishimoto explosions everywhere explosives solve everyone if in doubt surrender to the mercy of zabuza it seemed like a good idea at the time looks like a really bad case of being a jōnin my god. where does the lore end? precommitting is the winning plan screaming in kagome screw the rules i have explosives something bad might still happen sometimes you gotta sociopath stabby zabby subsection c of paragraph 9 should include we can weaponize this so hard
Cariyaga
Handsome Gentleperson
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- United States
Nah, it's cool, most of this stuff I only know because I've followed this thread for as long as I have.Didn't know we had separate tables. (The FtD rules don't mention this in the sealing section, last time I checked?).
Note that I agree entirely the idea is garbage with the numerous points of "This seems useless for 100 reasons once you stare at the mechanics."
My response to your post previously is entirely regarding why causing 100 sealing failures could be okay but 500 is not. Sorry if that was in doubt.
Similarly my response to @Inferno Vulpix was clarification of the point of my idea, and a similar argument that something that increases Sealing Failures but removes a certain type from being effective is not necessarily bad. (Sorry if this was unclear).
Also before I knew about the two tables thing. Oops!Boy is my face red
I understand its definitely on the backburner, but a Master Rules Document that contains the entirety of the rules the players have access to (even if its just hyperlinks to thread posts in some places) would be pretty cool. I would contribute spoons to this in the form of gathering said links, in the interests of lessening QM time spent on it and making future rules-crawls less painful.
I don't think 100 sealing failures is okay either though
That's why I generally never agree to go along with researching something unless Kagome gives us the go-ahead, because I know he wouldn't let us if we'd fail THAT much.
And as far as researching complex seals goes... I'm not concerned. There's a reason we have a sealing tech tree; veterancy is a thing, so doing similar things makes a seal easier.
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FTFYI don't think any sealing failures is okay either though
Emstar
The Shining One
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I mean 100 was a ballpark number, but it was really (chance) vs (5* chance) that was digging at me mentally. Regardless, yeah. Gotcha.Nah, it's cool, most of this stuff I only know because I've followed this thread for as long as I have.
I don't think 100 sealing failures is okay either though
That's why I generally never agree to go along with researching something unless Kagome gives us the go-ahead, because I know he wouldn't let us if we'd fail THAT much.
And as far as researching complex seals goes... I'm not concerned. There's a reason we have a sealing tech tree; veterancy is a thing, so doing similar things makes a seal easier.
Is that true? I admit, I don't understand the Augjev rules that much, since its been a while and I delurked again after the rules swap, but does the Infusion roll we have to make the check against actually decrease if we have made more seals, as opposed to our actual Sealing stat? If so, interesting. Something like that would be a great mechanic. Also, this leads me to believe that we wont be crashing against arbitrarily high Sealing checks beyond our theoretical max, quite as soon as I'd thought (so we should be okay on that front for a while then).
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- The Maple Syrup Mountains
The QM's don't want their world to have easy automatic seal drawing, because then either people are being idiots for no reason or someone has easy automatic seal drawing and that risks breaking the setting they wanted to create. I doubt, however, that they are opposed to it on principle. The QMs have a stated and demonstrated record of letting us create new and highly useful things if they reasonably haven't been invented already but are still possible. Skywalkers were OK because Air Domes are relatively remote, experimenting sealmasters are rare, and it requires out of the box thinking, so it did make sense for them to go uninvented until we came along. Substitution nukes, the art of substituting with a small object to increase its speed to bullet-like levels, would have been discovered by some bored genin generations ago, so the QMs had to change how substitution worked.
Printing presses are new technology, relatively speaking, and if sealmasters who experiment are rare sealmasters crazy enough to try and reinvent sealing from the ground up are even rarer (and usually dead). It's not an impossible project (someone figured out sealing from scratch once), it's just so farfetched a concept, and one so closely associated with tales of incredibly foolish sealmasters, that it makes sense for no one to even try. Until us.
Jello_Raptor
(Confirmed Jelly)
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- Left of Center
We won't, but we learned sealing once, we can do it again.
Edit: We know size and stroke matter, but it can't be that they matter too much. Otherwise sealmasters would need to relearn their styles at they grow.
Instead, my hypothesis is that we'd have to learn a 'new' sealing language, just like every novice does the first time. But because we know what we're doing, and sealing languages share fundamental principles (otherwise teaching wouldn't work) it should go a lot faster than the first time.
I've got a mental sketch of a research plan for how we can do this, with ways to test whether the general idea will pan out very quickly. I plan to write it up at some point, but for now have a quick sketch of a mostly reliable fountain pen we can build at our tech level:
Edit 2: You'd also need a cap, and it should always be stored nib up. But it shouldn't be significantly worse than a modern fountain pen. It'd just be more prone tro drying when left unused and leaking ink into the cap.
Edit 3: Honestly you could probably make it out of some well oiled wood and still have it work.
Edit 4: Oh and this pen would pool like nobody's business if you aren't moving it when toching it to paper. Iron Nerve should help with getting nice clean strokes though.
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Two things:
First, everything you said here is spot on, and thank you for the trust.
Second, that doesn't mean that I'm saying one way or the other if it's possible to print seals within our conception of how seals work.
Pangolins mostly live underground, actually. They do often have domes on top of their burrows, but the living space is still underground.
Pfftt. You have no idea just how OP my wish fulfillment is. Give him a pot of strong tea and 20 minutes.
What now? There's no such thing as Jutsu that transform you.
The Eagles are
Never mind. Nothing to see here.
That would be great.
We have a final draft still sitting in our queue waiting for final sign off and posting, but none of us have taken the lead on actually getting it done, so it's still sitting there.
Aabcehmu
Confusion as a Natural State of Being
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IIRC the jutsu that the Pangolins gave Akane to toughen her skin to improve physical training didn't get Grue'd yet, which implies that physiology-modifying jutsu remain a possibility. If the Eagles (or really any other bird of prey, really, but I assume they're moving towards an alliance since they're probably the summon clans that are best situated to resist the oncoming Pangolin storm) have a summoner, I don't think it'd be beyond reason for them to have taught that summoner a jutsu to give them (more-or-less) literal eagle eyes, which, if my wikipedia reading comprehension isn't failing me, should be enough to spot a man (or man-sized+ pangolin) in the air up a couple miles, given that IRL birds achieve similar feats looking down from the sky to find prey.
Emstar
The Shining One
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I've given you multiple ratings for this one and settled on "Informative."
Jello_Raptor
(Confirmed Jelly)
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- Left of Center
Remind me to make you a defibrilator keyed to QM posts.
Cariyaga
Handsome Gentleperson
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- United States
Geez. If that's your wish fulfillment I'd hate to see your nightmares.
I veto making them your self-insert race. You already have Kagome
Jello_Raptor
(Confirmed Jelly)
- Location
- Left of Center
Oh god, what would we do if Noburi became the whale summoner?
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Noburi: Kawarimi no Jutsu! Whatever!
*giant squelch sound, Whatever wobbles a bit*
Opponent: What!? They can't move on land! What are they going to even do in this fight?
*Whatever rolls over, squishy crushing noises*
*Noburi puts on aburame brand sunglasses*
Noburi: Whatever they want.
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Noburi: Kawarimi no Jutsu! Whatever!
*giant squelch sound, Whatever wobbles a bit*
Opponent: What!? They can't move on land! What are they going to even do in this fight?
*Whatever rolls over, squishy crushing noises*
*Noburi puts on aburame brand sunglasses*
Noburi: Whatever they want.
Emstar
The Shining One
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I will note that
Otherwise some form of shellfish or reptile (Crocodile/Alligator) that can swim very well would be ideal.
Can you imagine Noburi surfing crocodiles towards the enemy after he uses Tidal Wave no Jutsu?
Whales are fun, but I think Hazou might freak out since he saw that one in the Out.
I think Octopus or Jellyfish or something that can really constrict a bunch of people in water would be ideal for Noburi, if he gets something that is (basically) waterlocked.
Otherwise some form of shellfish or reptile (Crocodile/Alligator) that can swim very well would be ideal.
Can you imagine Noburi surfing crocodiles towards the enemy after he uses Tidal Wave no Jutsu?
Whales are fun, but I think Hazou might freak out since he saw that one in the Out.
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I think that makes you an
Honestly, I wouldnt really want a water based summons for noburi. If an enemy is in the water aga8nst noburi, they've basically already lost.
Emstar
The Shining One
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I really think crocodiles or something like that would be a good fit. Ambush predator, can swim like a fiend, hellish strength, etc.
I'm open to other suggestions on predators that can also swim. I toyed with some others but couldn't find any that were super appealing.
Emstar
The Shining One
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We shouldn't spend an inordinate amount of time on it but its still fun
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- how about no
Why not get him some summons that could fit inside his barrel, like sea lice or krill?
He could be an aquatic Aburame.
He could be an aquatic Aburame.
Emstar
The Shining One
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- Trapped in an extradimensional rift.
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- She/They
- Location
- North Wales
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- He/Him/His
Why would the Eagles in particular make a sight-improving jutsu? They can already see really well by virtue of being eagles. People aren't in the habit of spending effort to improve abilities to the standard they already have.
Why did the pangolins invented justu that made them even more OP in term of armor?