Marked for Death: A Rational Naruto Quest
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- naruto rationalist romance armageddon is looking better and better damn you kishimoto explosions everywhere explosives solve everyone if in doubt surrender to the mercy of zabuza it seemed like a good idea at the time looks like a really bad case of being a jōnin my god. where does the lore end? precommitting is the winning plan screaming in kagome screw the rules i have explosives something bad might still happen sometimes you gotta sociopath stabby zabby subsection c of paragraph 9 should include we can weaponize this so hard
Cariyaga
Handsome Gentleperson
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Sonar?
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Introducing a long range detection system or a skywalker counter should increase stability. As it stands we are looking at the death of most everyone in a hidden village within 10 years. There are too many players for MAD to work, especially when you occasionally get someone like Yagura, who would be totally fine ending the world and ruling the ashes.
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Emstar
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Sonar I think would have to be the solution. Perhaps modified banshees or something?
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Alternatively, we could create a chakra radar network that spans about a mile out from the village wall.
The chakra diffusion problem won't really matter if we have seals dotted all around.
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Radar waves are just low frequency Electromagnetic Radiation, just like light is middling frequency EM radiation. Tweaking party seals should give us a radar transmitter. Passive radar receivers can probably be set up with metallic wires - receiving antennas actually absorb power out of the radar wave as signal... though that signal is typically amplified with an external power source, which we won't have.
We can probably get enough power into the air that the return signals could drive a warning device (say, a vibrating arm recording signal strength on paper, monitored by a civilian/ninja dropout)
We can probably get enough power into the air that the return signals could drive a warning device (say, a vibrating arm recording signal strength on paper, monitored by a civilian/ninja dropout)
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When we first met Shikaku, he asked us how we got past the chakra diffusion problem, not whether it was relevant. That was either an intellectual power play, inappropriately narrowing the solution space in order to put us on the back foot with a more specific question, or the chakra diffusion problem is so ubiquitous that Shikaku didn't even consider it not being relevant worth talking about.
Emstar
The Shining One
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We need to experiment on how exactly casino seals detect chakra.
If they detect it as some sort of particle effect, then we are sort of fucked in using them for long range sensory purposes since Chakra Diffusion Problem.
If they detect is as a binary "There is sufficient chakra in the region I am parametrized to observe Yes/No." then this bypasses the Chakra Diffusion Problem from a recon perspective and we can just use a massive network of these.
If they detect it as some sort of particle effect, then we are sort of fucked in using them for long range sensory purposes since Chakra Diffusion Problem.
If they detect is as a binary "There is sufficient chakra in the region I am parametrized to observe Yes/No." then this bypasses the Chakra Diffusion Problem from a recon perspective and we can just use a massive network of these.
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Or, it's just a common sense observation similar to Aristotle's "heavier things fall faster", and no one bothered to actually do any real tests.
The fact that it's difficult to weaponize a laser doesn't make radar impossible.
Emstar
The Shining One
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You are right, and we should test this, but it doesn't preclude us from trying to solve the problem with the tools we currently have access to, tweaked reasonably to account for sealing improvements.
Cariyaga
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Casino seals have been said to only activate in response to chakra being channeled.
This isn't a problem for skywalkers; chakra channeling is a necessary function of their activation.
My understanding is that chakra based attacks or other chakra based effects have a range limit, as the chakra that makes them up diffuses as they continue to move away from the point of origin. So, while someone with a flight method like skywalkers could drop timed explosive tags on those below all day, being high enough in the sky makes them basically untouchable to anyone who can't come up to attack since there aren't any ranged jutsu that can send their attacks all that far. (or ones that can are really costly, anyways)
Aabcehmu
Confusion as a Natural State of Being
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Hm. Could you make a jutsu that generates a bullet, then propels it mundanely? Such that, even once chakra has fully dissipated from the system, you still have a solid projectile moving at a relevantly high speed towards the target? This sounds like a pretty first-order solution, so either getting the bullet to speed is too hard, or there's some other problem.
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The very first most important problem is actually spotting a man-sized target in the cloudy night sky; everything else is implementation details.
Emstar
The Shining One
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Okay, but *how* they do this is relatively important.
If its because "In range of Casino Seals detection radius, the Chakra Diffusion problem does not apply and so they pick it up just like a sattelite dish would pick up radio waves(i.e. because there is ambient chakra particles moulded in the seals range.)" that is not quite good.
If its because "Section 102003 of the planet has chakra being molded in it currently AND Casino Seal 3003 is actively monitoring this sector => Casino Seal 3003 activates response mechanism"
then that is very good, because it allows us to game the CDP recon wise with long range casino seals.
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Aabcehmu
Confusion as a Natural State of Being
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That does sound tricky. It seems like it might be possible with some kind of transformative jutsu? If we ever get the chance, we should ask whether the Pangolin have trouble when they come to blows with the Eagles, since I can imagine they (and their summoner, if they have one at the moment) might be able to spot someone even away up just using their mundane eyes.
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We can't use bat style sonar pinging in the air. That relies on high frequency soundwaves that attenuate really fast. Those frequencies are used to find gnats, so we might be able to get away with much lower frequencies. Modified banshees for pulsing. WW1 style acoustic mirrors for extra range. We could get a great technique hacker to modify Keiko's sonar jutsu.
A thick shell of casino seals might also work.
Why would we need a jutsu? We just need to modify Macerators to propel the payload at an even higher velocity than it does currently, make it a straight line instead of a cone if we don't want a shotgun, and add spin to the projectiles to increase accuracy. I was trying to get people to prioritize that as a research project when this problem came up, because guns are the obvious solution.
Emstar
The Shining One
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Im curious, could you elaborate?
TaliesinSkye
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Might as well pitch whatever you're thinking of, maybe there's some way someone can think of for ameliorating the risks.
For aerial defense the two things I can think of are scaling up air domes to building or even village size and making buildings with flat slanted roofs that are protected by one big 5SB for civilians to take shelter in in the event of an attack.
Finally of course there's active defense, ninja with skywalkers.
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I'm intrigued. As long as it doesn't start a war or level the village, I'm all ears.
Aabcehmu
Confusion as a Natural State of Being
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Researching chakra intelligences and trying to make an oracle (or at least, some kind of powerful specialized predictive algorithm)? Creating large-scale constellations of derivatives of the Casino seal to try and attach either some particular mortal agent or possibly an embedded chakra intelligence to calculate the positions of chakra-sources in the air? Possibly raising that constellation into the air itself on sky-platform, possibly distributed across a few different elevation levels?