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Marked for Death: A Rational Naruto Quest

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I should have been clearer that I was just talking about marrying a Kurosawa, not necessarily into the Clan, like Keiko to the Nara. Still the whole Kurosawa heir thing is still important.

Enjou said:
Most likely she would marry a Kurosawa into Goketsu via Hazou, and then plan for a reciprocal marriage back into Kurosawa through one of Hazou's kids to further strengthen ties in the future.
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Something like this, yes.
 
Roomba said:
I definitely think Hazou or Noburi marrying a girl from one of Ren's backer clans is a real possibility.
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Stop beating around the bush, we all know who you are talking about - what with the Mori being the most prominent backer of Ren.

But then again, wasn't Anna into girls?
 
I dont really feel like Hazous behavior re: agency is that unexcusable.

Think about it from his perspective: hes spent the better part of a year or two consistently optimizing strategies involving 4-5 individuals so that they all manage to thread the needle and live at the end of the day. This is a consequence of Doing the Thing.

Mix sufficient stress in, and hes going to start Doing the Thing, because from his perspective he's still in a super stressful quasi- life-or-death scenario.

Consider the following:

eaglejarl said:
Of course, there were proctors around who would and could deal with the situation, and their presence meant that anything Hazō did would almost certainly out him as the one that had activated the tipserator. That would get him disqualified from the event and possibly from the Exams. Having his son, the former missing-nin, get ejected from the Exams would blacken Jiraiya's name and destroy his political credibility. The Leaf/Mist negotiations would go straight in the crapper and Jiraiya would have to step down as Hokage once they got home. That would make it far less likely for Naruto to be found; the loss of both their jinchūriki and the God of Shinobi would make Leaf look like a lame deer to its international rivals. It would be about the same as flinging wide the gates of the city and posting a 'please attack here' sign.

Yeah, no.
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Now, is that description of things entirely accurate when removed from the context of how badly the fuckup is? Perhaps not. Is it a likely scenario in other situations given our failure? Sure, seems pretty plausible.

That's what we're fighting against here. I don't think Akane really groks this.

She's been delivered from hell back to her parents and back to her really safe village. As far as she's concerned there might be no need for insane Marked for Death bullshit planning here, because its just an exam, right? At worse, it fucks up your career a bit and serves as a setback.

*shrugs*

There's surely complicating factors at play as well but I think a non negligible part of it is the above.
 
MMKII said:
I dont really feel like Hazous behavior re: agency is that unexcusable.

Think about it from his perspective: hes spent the better part of a year or two consistently optimizing strategies involving 4-5 individuals so that they all manage to thread the needle and live at the end of the day. This is a consequence of Doing the Thing.

Mix sufficient stress in, and hes going to start Doing the Thing, because from his perspective he's still in a super stressful quasi- life-or-death scenario.

Consider the following:



Now, is that description of things entirely accurate when removed from the context of how badly the fuckup is? Perhaps not. Is it a likely scenario in other situations given our failure? Sure, seems pretty plausible.

That's what we're fighting against here. I don't think Akane really groks this.

She's been delivered from hell back to her parents and back to her really safe village. As far as she's concerned there might be no need for insane Marked for Death bullshit planning here, because its just an exam, right? At worse, it fucks up your career a bit and serves as a setback.

*shrugs*

There's surely complicating factors at play as well but I think a non negligible part of it is the above.
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I think that part of the complicating factors is that...

Well. Her performance in the exam is what she was counting on to make her "worth" being Hazou's... courtier, to Jiraiya.
 
Cariyaga said:
I think that part of the complicating factors is that...

Well. Her performance in the exam is what she was counting on to make her "worth" being Hazou's... courtier, to Jiraiya.
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See the thing is, I don't really see this as holding too much water in JiraiyaMind.sim

On one hand, sure she didn't make it past the 4th event.

On the other hand, she did make it to the 4th event and then failed because her team was not at all optimized for it. In this event, she used her abilities along with Hazou's planning to ensure that Team Uplift survives to fight another day, metaphorically speaking.

It comes out about millhouse, as far as my simulation of Jiraiya is concerned.

The point is moot either way though: I don't expect Akane to react well to any of this being used as a "Why you shouldn't dump my ass" gambit.1​ At best we could explain this and apologize and ask her if she'd like to stay friends.



1. I do not in general expect most teenagers outside of Hazou, Keiko,Noburi and maybe Shikamaru to consistently respond well to the Elder Wisdom that is the hiveminds suggestions and rationale. Hormones, man...
 
Cariyaga said:
I think that part of the complicating factors is that...

Well. Her performance in the exam is what she was counting on to make her "worth" being Hazou's... courtier, to Jiraiya.
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I'm pretty sure there isn't a 'you must be this swole to ride' tattoo on Hazou's crotch. Mistresses aren't for strategy, theyre for relationships outside of the confines of political necessity. O is the one who has a thing for eugenics, not J.
 
Thanks for the replies guys, I guess the reason I couldn't really understand is because me and my partner started out as acquaintances and then slowly moved up the relationship ladder over the years rather than instantly crushing on each other. I still think that Akane is massively overreacting and lashing out, especially given the years she has spent alongside Hazou, but I guess the stress of the exams would only make things worse.

In light of this, I am dedicating myself to restoring Akane x Hazou as the OTP

FIGHT ME
 
MMKII said:
The point is moot either way though: I don't expect Akane to react well to any of this being used as a "Why you shouldn't dump my ass" gambit.1​ At best we could explain this and apologize and ask her if she'd like to stay friends.



1. I do not in general expect most teenagers outside of Hazou, Keiko,Noburi and maybe Shikamaru to consistently respond well to the Elder Wisdom that is the hiveminds suggestions and rationale. Hormones, man...
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Does anybody react well to, "Here's a list of thirteen reasons why we should get back together and why you're also acting irrational"?
 
Threnodist said:
Does anybody react well to, "Here's a list of thirteen reasons why we should get back together and why you're also acting irrational"?
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I mean, if the person in question is phrasing it in that way, to be perceived in that way, that's going to backfire hilariously most of the time.

Supermushu said:
Thanks for the replies guys, I guess the reason I couldn't really understand is because me and my partner started out as acquaintances and then slowly moved up the relationship ladder over the years rather than instantly crushing on each other. I still think that Akane is massively overreacting and lashing out, especially given the years she has spent alongside Hazou, but I guess the stress of the exams would only make things worse.

In light of this, I am dedicating myself to restoring Akane x Hazou as the OTP

FIGHT ME
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I don't think anyone will fight you, but if 150 chapters from now Akane accidentally dies to save our asses and we get the Mangekyou Iron Nerve or something.

Well, you were warned.:p
 
MMKII said:
I mean, if the person in question is phrasing it in that way, to be perceived in that way, that's going to backfire hilariously most of the time.


I don't think anyone will fight you, but if 150 chapters from now Akane accidentally dies to save our asses and we get the Mangekyou Iron Nerve or something.

Well, you were warned.:p
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NEVER! THE HAPPY ENDING WILL BE ACHIEVED!
<.<
>.>
Believe it!
 
Supermushu said:
Thanks for the replies guys, I guess the reason I couldn't really understand is because me and my partner started out as acquaintances and then slowly moved up the relationship ladder over the years rather than instantly crushing on each other. I still think that Akane is massively overreacting and lashing out, especially given the years she has spent alongside Hazou, but I guess the stress of the exams would only make things worse.

In light of this, I am dedicating myself to restoring Akane x Hazou as the OTP

FIGHT ME
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By the way, welcome! We're always glad to have new people around, and we recently changed our planning structure to make it easier for new people to engage with! ...Though, we haven't actually had to plan for multiple weeks because punching.
 
Supermushu said:
NEVER! THE HAREM ENDING WILL BE ACHIEVED!
<.<
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Believe it!
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FTFY.

Also, hi!

On the other hand I think you'll find theres a decent contingent of people somewhere in thread ( Aside: I dont keep track of conspiracies that Im not a part of or arent directly opposed in some manner to my own) that aim to break the setting so badly that we actually eventually become a cliche Shonen protagonist (through the power of our own fists!) Sounds like something you might be into.

(I neither confirm nor deny my willingness to go forward with this plan. )
 
MMKII said:
FTFY.

Also, hi!

On the other hand I think you'll find theres a decent contingent of people somewhere in thread ( Aside: I dont keep track of conspiracies that Im not a part of or arent directly opposed in some manner to my own) that aim to break the setting so badly that we actually eventually become a cliche Shonen protagonist (through the power of our own fists!) Sounds like something you might be into.

(I neither confirm nor deny my willingness to go forward with this plan. )
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We've already achieved step one: Five-Man Band rejoins Leaf after a clusterfuck. :p
 
Vecht said:
Thy know not thine transgressions. I beseech thee: turn back before it is too late.
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Well, you did say you were fine with Akane now that she's internalised the true nature of our own little relationship with Hazou. Clearly we need to inspire Hazou to create the Existentialist school of philosophy to show her just why she shouldn't feel bad for not having any intrinsic worth.

Hazou: The world floats aimlessly through a bleak and uncaring cosmos, absent of all purpose and merit. But none of that matters because you are just that cute to me.

...Also, here are my notes on how to turn you into a nation-killing Superweapon.
 
MMKII said:
FTFY.

Also, hi!

On the other hand I think you'll find theres a decent contingent of people somewhere in thread ( Aside: I dont keep track of conspiracies that Im not a part of or arent directly opposed in some manner to my own) that aim to break the setting so badly that we actually eventually become a cliche Shonen protagonist (through the power of our own fists!) Sounds like something you might be into.

(I neither confirm nor deny my willingness to go forward with this plan. )
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As long as Akane is first wife.......

On the subject of breaking the setting, has anyone decided to look at Rock Lee's weights yet? Because I have a plan

1. Set seal to multiply mass by a factor of roughly 10^12* when triggered remotely
2. Throw seemingly useless seal at opponent
3. Trigger seal
4. Watch as a black hole roughly 2cm* across is formed
5. Black hole will act as infinitely sharp bullet that will pierce through anything without slowing down
6. Realise this lets you snipe people through any cover, including being on the opposite side of the planet and "shooting" straight through it as long as a good spotter *coughByakugancough* is used
7. Invent Latitude and Longitude co-ordinates to enable spotting- or better yet, lure enemies to a predetermined spot on the other side of the world via shadow clone or other method
8. ???
9. Profit
10. Spend money on a fabulous wedding ceremony for Akane

* Depending on the unmodified weight of the mass the seal is attached to- for this plan i set it to a nice 100g- and so can be thrown faster than an average kunai.
 
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Supermushu said:
As long as Akane is first wife.......

On the subject of breaking the setting, has anyone decided to look at Rock Lee's weights yet? Because I have a plan

1. Set seal to multiply mass by a factor of roughly 10^12* when triggered remotely
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This is the part thats probably super duper hard. If it was only moderately or very difficult people would probably be using it for nukes already.
 
Supermushu said:
As long as Akane is first wife.......

On the subject of breaking the setting, has anyone decided to look at Rock Lee's weights yet? Because I have a plan

1. Set seal to multiply mass by a factor of roughly 10^12* when triggered remotely
2. Throw seemingly useless seal at opponent
3. Trigger seal
4. Watch as a black hole roughly 2cm* across is formed
5. Black hole will act as infinitely sharp bullet that will pierce through anything without slowing down
6. Realise this lets you snipe people through any cover, including being on the opposite side of the planet
7. ???
8. Profit
9. Spend money on a fabulous wedding ceremony for Akane
10. Happy ever after

* Depending on the unmodified weight of the mass the seal is attached to- for this plan i set it to a nice 100g- and so can be thrown faster than an average kunai.
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2 cm black holes also collapse with the force of serveral fusion bombs.
 
Supermushu said:
As long as Akane is first wife.......

On the subject of breaking the setting, has anyone decided to look at Rock Lee's weights yet? Because I have a plan

1. Set seal to multiply mass by a factor of roughly 10^12* when triggered remotely
2. Throw seemingly useless seal at opponent
3. Trigger seal
4. Watch as a black hole roughly 2cm* across is formed
5. Black hole will act as infinitely sharp bullet that will pierce through anything without slowing down
6. Realise this lets you snipe people through any cover, including being on the opposite side of the planet
7. ???
8. Profit
9. Spend money on a fabulous wedding ceremony for Akane
10. Happy ever after

* Depending on the unmodified weight of the mass the seal is attached to- for this plan i set it to a nice 100g- and so can be thrown faster than an average kunai.
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You'll fit in.
 
Origami Clock said:
2 cm black holes also collapse with the force of serveral fusion bombs.
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That just makes it an even better weapon, if timed right :p- the (completely invisible and undetectable*) gamma rays from collapse will kill everyone in the area, but dissipate quickly, allowing you to move in to whatever place you targeted. Indeed, apart from your target, everyone else will die of acute radiation poisoning, which is impossible to diagnose(?) for ninjas.
*At least for any organic sensory apparatus that exists on earth- can a byakugan see Gamma rays?
 
Supermushu said:
That just makes it an even better weapon, if timed right :p- the (completely invisible and undetectable*) gamma rays from collapse will kill everyone in the area, but dissipate quickly, allowing you to move in to whatever place you targeted. Indeed, apart from your target, everyone else will die of acute radiation poisoning, which is impossible to diagnose(?) for ninjas.
*At least for any organic sensory apparatus that exists on earth- can a byakugan see Gamma rays?
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No, as in they will blow up with the force of actual nuclear bombs and leave nothing but dust. No radiation really, just a matter->energy conversion of such extremity that everything nearby gets turned to ash.

Correction: no, actually it'd eat the planet. I was remembering the wrong bit of this video.

 
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Supermushu said:
As long as Akane is first wife.......

On the subject of breaking the setting, has anyone decided to look at Rock Lee's weights yet? Because I have a plan

1. Set seal to multiply mass by a factor of roughly 10^12* when triggered remotely
2. Throw seemingly useless seal at opponent
3. Trigger seal
4. Watch as a black hole roughly 2cm* across is formed
5. Black hole will act as infinitely sharp bullet that will pierce through anything without slowing down
6. Realise this lets you snipe people through any cover, including being on the opposite side of the planet and "shooting" straight through it as long as a good spotter *coughByakugancough* is used
7. Invent Latitude and Longitude co-ordinates to enable spotting- or better yet, lure enemies to a predetermined spot on the other side of the world via shadow clone or other method
8. ???
9. Profit
10. Spend money on a fabulous wedding ceremony for Akane

* Depending on the unmodified weight of the mass the seal is attached to- for this plan i set it to a nice 100g- and so can be thrown faster than an average kunai.
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Supermushu said:
That just makes it an even better weapon, if timed right :p- the (completely invisible and undetectable*) gamma rays from collapse will kill everyone in the area, but dissipate quickly, allowing you to move in to whatever place you targeted. Indeed, apart from your target, everyone else will die of acute radiation poisoning, which is impossible to diagnose(?) for ninjas.
*At least for any organic sensory apparatus that exists on earth- can a byakugan see Gamma rays?
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@eaglejarl @Velorien @OliWhail We've got another one. :whistle:
 
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