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Marked for Death: A Rational Naruto Quest

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1234qwerty said:
Sadly, I don't really understand this.
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Sorry, have a bad habit of skipping steps/details.

5SB seal require 4 support tags to set up, but still provide key functionality if even one support tag remains - more durable against damage, and immobile wrt to the fixed Earth coordinate frame.

If all 4 of the tags are destroyed or moved out of plane, the 5SB fails, and the sealed object loses these properties. The mine field operates on this principle.

Each 5SB mine contains 2 or more 5SB support seals that allow the user to extend the size of the minefield.

The central, main 5SB seal in each mine is connected to one or more 5SB mines that exist earlier in the network.

At the origin of the network lays one or more vulnerable, unprotected 5SB support seals for the first layer of mines. By disrupting this node, the first layer of 5SB mine loses its protection from damage and gravity. Gravity pulls that mine out of position, causing the next layer to fail, causing a cascade of 5SB failures.

This is the set up for widespread, relatively safe traps.

A payload is required in order to make these worthwhile, as well as a trigger.

An LBF is attached to a weight on one side of the mine, and to the flimsy paper or the other. During setup, the LBF line of effect is maintained by a rigid frame. After the mine is activated, that frame is taken away. When the 5SB collapses, gravity and air drag will ensure that the LBF line of effect is broken quickly, triggering the payload. Multiple payloads may be added by attaching more LBF combos. Goo Bomb + Banshee might be nice for non-lethal

The framework is a simple wooden donut. A piece of paper is spread over the wood, and LBF + payload + 5SB support tags are added on top. A main 5SB tag is added where it can be primed from outside, while the LBFs, payload and support seals are primed and then covered by folding the piece of paper over (something flexible and flimsy, if not paper) carefully to not break the LBF line of effect. The rigid frame ensures the device lasts until the mine is primed (at which point the frame is removed, as mentioned earlier)
 
MMKII said:
I believe those are slightly below Skywalkers in the "Shit we don't want other people knowing we have for as long as we can manage, up until the end of forever." pile as far as Leaf OPSEC is concerned.
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Luckily for such ambitions, they also fall into the 'stuff there's no way will stay secret for very long no matter how good we are at keeping them secret' pile. They've been used seriously in all of one battle, in which no one from the other side made it back to their home country, and Leaf will have to either choose to use them in battles less likely to be so one-sided (thus resulting in their existence leaking) or to keep them so close to their chest that they don't get much of anything out of them.

I predict that after a few strategically chosen decisive battles, Leaf will abandon the pretense of keeping Skywalkers hidden and proceed to terrify the rest of the continent with their legions of sky-capable ninja.
 
Inferno Vulpix said:
I predict that after a few strategically chosen decisive battles, Leaf will abandon the pretense of keeping Skywalkers hidden and proceed to terrify the rest of the continent with their legions of sky-capable ninja.
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Nah. They're gonna ally up with Mist and Sand, and when Lightning and Rock eventually create a casus belli to attack the alliance together they'll reveal it on defence.
 
Cariyaga said:
Nah. They're gonna ally up with Mist and Sand, and when Lightning and Rock eventually create a casus belli to attack the alliance together they'll reveal it on defence.
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So I realize our backstories give us significant reason to constantly get Mist information, but do we have bits and pieces of knowledge about Sand? They're supposed to be loosely allied with Leaf still, right?
Inferno Vulpix said:
I predict that after a few strategically chosen decisive battles, Leaf will abandon the pretense of keeping Skywalkers hidden and proceed to terrify the rest of the continent with their legions of sky-capable ninja.
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NAGATO: Heh, how mildly amusing. Shinra Tensei.

*flies off into the distance*
 
MMKII said:
So I realize our backstories give us significant reason to constantly get Mist information, but do we have bits and pieces of knowledge about Sand? They're supposed to be loosely allied with Leaf still, right?
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Jackercracks said:
  • Fire: 1200 - 1400; supportive; allied with Noodle, Tea, and Sand; generally open to trade
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Velorien said:
"Quick history lesson. Way back when, after a particularly bad drought, Sand decided to go annex some good arable land. Its northern neighbours aren't exactly poster children for agriculture either, and Rain and Grass managed to throw some kind of pact together with Claw at the last minute, so Sand decided to take a chunk out of River instead.

"Big mistake. River is a labyrinth, kids, a labyrinth that Hidden Valley ninja know like the back of their hand and nobody else does. Guerrilla warfare nearly bled Sand dry – oh, you know what I mean – and if they'd stayed any longer, odds are they'd have had Leaf buying free passage from River and going for a full-on invasion.
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eaglejarl said:
Because Sand is an official ally of Leaf and River is not. It's a favored trading partner but not an official ally.
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faflec said:
*info dump*
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We should be super friendly with Hedgehog lad. If we get River in on the alliance along with Mist(presumably we get Hotsprings in on this as well) then we have most of the southern portion of the continent united together.
 
eaglejarl said:
Kagome shrugged. "The Nine-Tails is here in Leaf, the Eight is in Cloud, not sure where the Seven is, there's no believable record of the Six in the last fifty years, the Five is in Bear—just one of the reasons the place is so dangerous—the Four has been lost for ages...well, for a while there I thought it was what was mind-controlling all those ninja from Wind, but that can't be it. The things can still only be in one place at a time." He shook his head, thinning brown hair swaying. "Probably just air demons. They like to blow in through your ears and sit in your brain, whispering for you to kill everyone. Anyway, never trust anyone from Wind. And don't drink the beer in Sand, either. It's laced with mind-control drugs. Make sure to bring your own water if you go to Sand, because they keep all the drinkable water for their own ninja, make everyone else drink the beer.
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Velorien said:
Rock has Han the Steam-Powered, an unstoppable titan whose vast taijutsu skills are augmented by power armour fuelled by the Five-Tails inside him.
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So is Kagome working off of different/outdated information? We should ask him if Rock managed to acquire the Five-Tails since he got this information.
 
faflec said:
So is Kagome working off of different/outdated information? We should ask him if Rock managed to acquire the Five-Tails since he got this information.
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Out of curiosity, has anyone considered the possibility that Kagome is just crazy?

Edit: aside from Jiraiya anyways.
 
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Radvic said:
Out of curiosity, has anyone considered the possibility that Kagome is just crazy?

Edit: aside from Jiraiya anyways.
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I'll pretend you didn't just say that.
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Cariyaga said:
Oh yeah, on that note, how's the most recent release of the Fated to Die rules going @eaglejarl @Velorien @OliWhail?

Chakra Adhesion-activatable Impulse Seals:

Difficulty to infuse: A fair bit more difficult than directional explosives, to account for the unusual activation method and precise force needed not to rip the user's legs off.

Effects: Made to socket into Skywalker Shoes, these single-use seals may, at infusion-time, be told to activate on "normal" Chakra Adhesion or "forceful" Chakra Adhesion (the kind that would result in a trainee ninja flying off of the surface they're attempting to stick to).

They require training (approximately a week, ~4 hours a day) to use safely, and provide an Aspect Bonus to one's Athletics when used to dodge. Depending on the circumstances (ie, up to QM fiat), they can also be used to block attacks, knock enemies back, or launch an unexpected snap kick against one's enemies, providing a similar bonus.
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Oh yeah, Kagome probably would have made a version usable in his rings, too.
 
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Cariyaga said:
Oh yeah, Kagome probably would have made a version usable in his rings, too.
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I'm pretty sure any sort of "directional" implosion seal would be significantly harder than a directional explosive seal. Implosion seals work off the aftereffects of being destroyed, and shockwaves, which are far, far harder to shape. There's all sorts of crazy physics effects you'd need to make sure you were dealing with precisely to make it not point in a general way. Basically, the seal would need to have effects for several seconds after it was set off just to manage the shockwave from going "backwards," at least, so far as I can see.
 
Radvic said:
I'm pretty sure any sort of "directional" implosion seal would be significantly harder than a directional explosive seal. Implosion seals work off the aftereffects of being destroyed, and shockwaves, which are far, far harder to shape. There's all sorts of crazy physics effects you'd need to make sure you were dealing with precisely to make it not point in a general way. Basically, the seal would need to have effects for several seconds after it was set off just to manage the shockwave from going "backwards," at least, so far as I can see.
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I'm not talking about implosion seals.
Velorien said:
INPUTS that he thinks would work:
  • temperature/thermometer
  • chakra based inputs [could be "chakra goes in" or "short and simple pattern of chakra pulses goes in"]
  • buttons [more generally, "anything that touches the seal with a certain threshold of force"]
  • sound [anything within a certain volume range]
Note that touching a non-button-input seal with more than a small amount of force will damage or destroy it. In addition, if for whatever reason your button has another seal on the surface used to make contact, you will effectively be activating a flawed combined seal, and Bad Things will happen.

OUTPUTS that he thinks or knows are feasible:
  • Point light/LED,
  • Omnidirectional heat at any level up to explosive-tag-generated (roughly 'campfire')
  • Omnidirectional force at any level up to explosive-tag-generated (roughly grenade')
  • Directional heat at any level up to explosive-tag-generated (roughly 'campfire')
  • Directional force at any level up to explosive-tag-generated (roughly grenade')
  • Omnidirectional patterned pulses of heat, up to about 10 pulses. Number, pattern, and intensity must all be chosen at creation time
  • Directional patterned pulses of heat, up to about 10 pulses. Number, pattern, intensity, and direction must all be chosen at creation time
  • Patterned light/projector, although [as noted in chapter 67] he thinks that this is likely going to be the work of years
  • Preprogrammed sound
As to writing in ink, he's pretty confident that you can make something that can do very basic writing at the level of 'child's big block letters'. He's also extremely confident that it's not feasible to make a seal that can write another seal. The brush strokes matter in seals, not just the final arrangement of ink and seals are extremely sensitive to minor deviations in the design; making a seal that can simulate that level of precision is wildly unlikely.
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Kagome could make a directional force seal as a variant of directed explosion seals.
 
Radvic said:
I'm pretty sure any sort of "directional" implosion seal would be significantly harder than a directional explosive seal. Implosion seals work off the aftereffects of being destroyed, and shockwaves, which are far, far harder to shape. There's all sorts of crazy physics effects you'd need to make sure you were dealing with precisely to make it not point in a general way. Basically, the seal would need to have effects for several seconds after it was set off just to manage the shockwave from going "backwards," at least, so far as I can see.
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Do we need to prevent those side effects? We could go full Orion Project on this and embrace the side effects.
 
Radvic said:
Out of curiosity, has anyone considered the possibility that Kagome is just crazy?

Edit: aside from Jiraiya anyways.
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He's clearly crazy but the problem is we have no way of easily (read: conveniently) verifying info that he has stated.

*flashbacks to skysquids*

He could be partially correct in at least half of his weird bullshit. Getting "Lupchanzen-ed" in reality may just be having Shisui's bullshit Geass sharingan mind control genjutsu being cast on you, for example. We have no way of knowing and its stupid to jump at shadows but we should be mildly cautious or try to work off some of his easily verifiable info, at least.
 
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Speaking of Kagome, how does he know Hanzō sacrificed his life to save Akatsuki, when he's supposed to have sealed off all the borders of Rain and stopped all information flow out of the country?
 
faflec said:
Speaking of Kagome, how does he know Hanzō sacrificed his life to save Akatsuki, when he's supposed to have sealed off all the borders of Rain and stopped all information flow out of the country?
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The same way he knows most of the other stuff; intelligence reports he read, and extrapolation.
 
faflec said:
Right, but where the fuck would he have gotten information reports if our knowledge of Rain states no information gets out of Rain?

Wait a minute is KAGOME A RAIN-NIN OMFG HE'S AN AKATSUKI PLANT AIEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE
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Pretty shitty rain/akatsuki plant that we found out in the middle of nowhere :p
 
faflec said:
Right, but where the fuck would he have gotten information reports if our knowledge of Rain states no information gets out of Rain?

Wait a minute is KAGOME A RAIN-NIN OMFG HE'S AN AKATSUKI PLANT AIEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE
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"No information gets out of Rain"

This is almost impossible, especially for a minor village. Manpower issues. Nagato might be capable of something approaching this but thats only because of Rinnegan bullshit and Akatsuki crazyness.
 
MMKII said:
"No information gets out of Rain"

This is almost impossible, especially for a minor village. Manpower issues. Nagato might be capable of something approaching this but thats only because of Rinnegan bullshit and Akatsuki crazyness.
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Velorien said:
"My one concern is Rain, because no one knows what the hell is going on with Rain. Ever since Hanzō of the Salamander sealed off the borders, not even a Transformed mouse has been able to get in or out. Infiltration teams sent that way stop reporting the second they get close.
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faflec said:
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""""""Hanzō of the Salamander """"""

She doesn't know that its really

Nagato who by this time has likely killed Hanzo and uses his country sized chakra sensing rainstorm Rinnegan bullshit to stop heavy transit in and out of the country.
 
MMKII said:
""""""Hanzō of the Salamander """"""

She doesn't know that its really

Nagato who by this time has likely killed Hanzo and uses his country sized chakra sensing rainstorm Rinnegan bullshit to stop heavy transit in and out of the country.
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something something how does Kagome know then something something screaming in plant
 
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