Jello_Raptor
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Well shit. We can't even spend time stocking up then, since we have to figure out where in Rice we're going and that'll take time which cuts directly into the 3 day limit we have.
Marked for Death: A Rational Naruto Quest
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- naruto rationalist romance armageddon is looking better and better damn you kishimoto explosions everywhere explosives solve everyone if in doubt surrender to the mercy of zabuza it seemed like a good idea at the time looks like a really bad case of being a jōnin my god. where does the lore end? precommitting is the winning plan screaming in kagome screw the rules i have explosives something bad might still happen sometimes you gotta sociopath stabby zabby subsection c of paragraph 9 should include we can weaponize this so hard
Well shit. We can't even spend time stocking up then, since we have to figure out where in Rice we're going and that'll take time which cuts directly into the 3 day limit we have.
This might be our only chance for a long time to get Noburi his Medical 10/10. I'm super uncomfortable spending his XP on anything else.
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- Yes.
Grrr
Training Thoughts: Medical 10/10
Medical Knowledge 4 [4]
Medical Knowledge 5 [9]
Medical Knowledge 6 [15]
Intelligence 3 [21]
Medical Knowledge 7 [28]
Medical Knowledge 8 [36]
Medical Knowledge 9 [45]
Resolve 4 [53]
Medical Ninjutsu 7 [60]
Medical Ninjutsu 8 [68]
Resolve 5 [78]
Medical Ninjutsu 9 [87]
Wits 4 [95]
Control 10 [115]
Medical Ninjutsu 10 [125]
Remaining: 38.5XP
Medical Knowledge 5 [9]
Medical Knowledge 6 [15]
Intelligence 3 [21]
Medical Knowledge 7 [28]
Medical Knowledge 8 [36]
Medical Knowledge 9 [45]
Resolve 4 [53]
Medical Ninjutsu 7 [60]
Medical Ninjutsu 8 [68]
Resolve 5 [78]
Medical Ninjutsu 9 [87]
Wits 4 [95]
Control 10 [115]
Medical Ninjutsu 10 [125]
Remaining: 38.5XP
I mean, it really could be worse?
- Location
- The Deep Blue Sea
We don't know that we'll get a chance to train him up. That being said, he can afford to but a couple things on top of 10/10. Copying from last time:
Updating for his current XP level, we could do:
[] Training Noburi: Medical Specialization + Stealth
Withdraw 38 XP from Medic Fund (163.5 XP total)
Resolve 4 [8]
MedNin 7 [15]
MedNin 8 [23]
MedKnow 4 [27]
MedKnow 5 [32]
MedKnow 6 [38]
Intelligence 3 [44]
MedKnow 7 [51]
MedKnow 8 [59]
MedKnow 9 [68]
Resolve 5 [78]
Wits 4 [86]
Control 10 [106]
MedNin 9 [115]
MedNin 10 [125]
Intelligence 4 [133]
MedKnow 10 [143]
Stealth 10 [153]
Save 10.5 XP [163.5]
OR
Vampiric Dew 14 [160], Save 3.5 XP [163.5]
E: I math'd wrong
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You left it at 9/10; still need to buy Int 4 and MedKnow 10 for 10/10 (18 XP, so 20.5 left)
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- Yes.
Oh I see. Thanks. Also:
It should be 143, not 145. That's where I was confused, even after calculating our numbers were off.
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- how about no
So... why not just use the time we have right now to make a Deadman's Switch?
That way we can truthfully tell Jiraiya that, if he does not let us go, something, somewhere, will make a very Big Boom(s).
Actually, since Kagome is not officially on Jiraiya's roster, all we have to do is tell him, "Hey Kagome, if we don't show up at X location in Y number of days, feel free to launch as many of your special projects on targets that would most likely start WW4 of your choosing as you see fit."
Jiraiya can bitch us out all he wants for almost accidentally starting WW4.
We can truthfully say we weren't trying then to start a war, and had wanted to pull off, what we believed to be at the time to be, a harmless side-mission.
However, if he wants to continue to threaten us, we can also say without lying that WW4 will happen to the best of our knowledge.
After all, if a few small explosions in a DMZ can make him this angry, just imagine how bad it would be if we were actually trying to bring about Total War.
That way we can truthfully tell Jiraiya that, if he does not let us go, something, somewhere, will make a very Big Boom(s).
Actually, since Kagome is not officially on Jiraiya's roster, all we have to do is tell him, "Hey Kagome, if we don't show up at X location in Y number of days, feel free to launch as many of your special projects on targets that would most likely start WW4 of your choosing as you see fit."
Jiraiya can bitch us out all he wants for almost accidentally starting WW4.
We can truthfully say we weren't trying then to start a war, and had wanted to pull off, what we believed to be at the time to be, a harmless side-mission.
However, if he wants to continue to threaten us, we can also say without lying that WW4 will happen to the best of our knowledge.
After all, if a few small explosions in a DMZ can make him this angry, just imagine how bad it would be if we were actually trying to bring about Total War.
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- UK
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- He/Him
No, they do not benefit from mass combat-type bonuses. It is easy for less skilled persuaders/liars to interfere with the more skilled one's work rather than support it.
WWDTTY?
The funny part is that back during character creation we offered you a bloodline that was "hear the hivemind explicitly so you can use any knowledge any player has/can suck off the internet, including all of modern science". But, hey, eidetic muscle memory is good too.
Sure, that sounds fair. Not past 13, though. Also, you haven't had the facilities to do any experimentation.
I was going to say "yes, you have" but you know what? Up to you. Mari won't consider leaving. Akane is torn, but if you decided to leave, she would ultimately go with you. Noburi and Kagome are more complicated, and whether they stay or go would depend on where you were going and why.
No one has done the research to know exactly what the mechanism is, but there is no vacuum left behind when a storage seal is activated.
Note that, as previously stated, if there isn't enough free space for an object to form out of a storage seal then the results are undefined. Best case is that the seal simply doesn't activate.
In general, we'll give you outside limits on each version of the macerator and you can customize each one within that range. All parameters must be set at creation time, though. Your current limits are 0-30MPa, 0-10 m/s ejection velocity, any desired ejection vector, and 0-20% aeration. Therefore, you could make a seal with 10MPa+ 5m/s+10%air, then make another that was 60mPa+2m/s+1%air, etc.
NOTE: We might have this backwards -- we're interpreting "20% aeration" to mean "in a given volume, 20% of that space is taken up by air."
They always come out above the center of the seal and with the lower edge of the object ~1cm from the surface of the seal.
No.
As long as the ink does not bleed through, you're fine. If it does...Cthulhu.
Two incompatible seals touching will lead to Bad Things when infused/triggered no matter what. If the new seal is not touching the old seal then there's no issue, even if they're written on the same paper.
Note that most seals are one use. Storage scrolls are persistent, Force Wall seals can't be shut down (they expire after a time) or restarted. "Is reusable" is a special property that needs to be set at creation time.
He can reliably place seals on paper and (he grudgingly admits) on prepared skin-based substances like vellum and parchment as long as they're of sufficiently high quality. He hates putting them on anything other than seal-quality paper and will typically refuse unless there's a really good reason.
Yes, it would have. There was no time pressure, the pangolins were willing to negotiate, and it was possible to find a solution that everyone was happy with.
Think of it as though every seal is a fundamental constant of the universe. Research allows you to discover the value of that constant (i.e., the design of the seal), at which point you can use it. (Note that this is only an analogy, so please don't try to push it too far by applying principles of real world physics. Chakra does not work like physics.)
As to interactions between seals: in general seals only react with seals that they are touching. There are some exceptions, mostly having to do with seals that work together to define an area. Examples of the latter would be the FIve Seal Barrier and the tripwire seal.
Tripwire seals have a maximum length equal to 40x the smallest dimension of the two seals that define the ends. That means that in order to make a tripwire 10' long (120") you need two seals (one for each end), each of which must be at least 3" in its longest dimension. That's about the size of your palm.
Yes, the tripwires (LBFs) are persistent as long as the tags on either end remain intact. That means that if you connect them to an explosive or anything else destructive then the tripwire is destroyed too, but if you attach it to (e.g.) a storage seal then the tripwire sticks around.
To eliminate ambiguity, a tripwire is a physical object (a piece of wire), but an LBF (Lesser Barrier Formation, which I've been referring to as a 'tripwire seal') is an invisible sensor beam between two seals. Damaging or moving either seal will cause the sensor beam to fail.
Thank you, "engineering not programming" is exactly the metaphor I've been trying to find! Although, we're actually being nicer than you describe in that a tripwire seal will activate any other seal. You don't need a specialized "can be activated by tripwire seal" variant on an explosive tag, you can plug in any explosive tag made by anyone. Likewise, you can rearrange the elements of a machine without everything going toes up. For example, if you make the following seals:
- Seal A says: "when touched, emit a 1-second pulse of red light"
- Seal B says: "when a red light touches you, make a loud noise",
- Seal C says: "when a red light touches you, emit white light for 30 minutes"
INPUTS that he thinks would work:
- temperature/thermometer
- chakra based inputs [could be "chakra goes in" or "short and simple pattern of chakra pulses goes in"]
- buttons [more generally, "anything that touches the seal with a certain threshold of force"]
- sound [anything within a certain volume range]
OUTPUTS that he thinks or knows are feasible:
- Point light/LED,
- Omnidirectional heat at any level up to explosive-tag-generated (roughly 'campfire')
- Omnidirectional force at any level up to explosive-tag-generated (roughly grenade')
- Directional heat at any level up to explosive-tag-generated (roughly 'campfire')
- Directional force at any level up to explosive-tag-generated (roughly grenade')
- Omnidirectional patterned pulses of heat, up to about 10 pulses. Number, pattern, and intensity must all be chosen at creation time
- Directional patterned pulses of heat, up to about 10 pulses. Number, pattern, intensity, and direction must all be chosen at creation time
- Patterned light/projector, although [as noted in chapter 67] he thinks that this is likely going to be the work of years
- Preprogrammed sound
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Fixed. Hopefully.
I have no idea why this keeps happening - all I'm doing is copy-pasting the finished text from Google Docs.
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- USA
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- He/Him
Same thing always happens for me. I've learned to paste it into TextEdit or some other thing first, then copy that and paste. It fixes the issue, for whatever reason.
Jello_Raptor
(Confirmed Jelly)
- Location
- Left of Center
The parameter thing is what I expected. Before we infuse we have to fill in those parameters, and they'll be chosen to work well with some given use case.
This means we can make generic Macerator blanks (no parameters set yet), but we have to write the parameters in before infusion and given sets of parameters will be designed to work with specific payloads. Also, for the sake of convenience, let's just assume that infusing a Macerator includes the step where we fill it with a payload.
In practise this would mean we can cart around items like the following:
- Generic Macerator Blanks
- Macerator Fireball Seal
- Macerator Smokebomb Seal
- Macerator Confetti Seal
- etc..
@eaglejarl, @Velorien: Does that work for you?
Ahh, I've been using it differently:
In any given volume the mass of the payload is X% of the total mass.
Mostly because all the literature uses mass rather than volume, and I don't want to have to look up densities for everything.
Some examples:
- 0% means that there's no payload per unit air. This does nothing.
- 25% For any given unit of volume, 25% of the mass is the payload substance and 75% is air.
- 100% For any given unit volume 100% of the mass is the payload substance. You're just grinding it up, mixing it, and spitting it back out.
Mind, if you're doing it by volume, allowing only 20% of the mixture to be air is useless for the vast majority of tasks. At least if you're not including tasks which just involve pure grinding and mixing. I don't think this is a good parameter to try to bound. Unlike shear strength and ejection velocity, there's no monotonic increase in usefulness.
Most of the useful mixtures have a large volume of air compared to the volume of payload. The mass ratios just end up being more even because air isn't dense, whereas everything we use for a payload is.
Just to make the point. Getting caught in a "mist" where only 20% of the volume is air is called drowning.
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- Yes.
Damn. I'd hoped since Takahashi got benefits from having allies back in Tea we'd get a similar benefit from talking with Jiraiya.
Ok, I guess we don't need to focus on Social skills since nothing we level will matter much.
@eaglejarl @Velorien
I'd like to get Kagome's opinion on something that might be useful in seal research as a safety precaution, or might be the dread lord Cthulhu.
I'd like to get Kagome's opinion on something that might be useful in seal research as a safety precaution, or might be the dread lord Cthulhu.
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- The Deep Blue Sea
I'm going through the first chunk of pages and the closes thing to this I can find so far was one where the voices of the thread had driven the PC into insanity that made it harder to catch them in genjutsu.
Yo @Jello_Raptor was it you who wanted haptic feedback? Make this a scaled or pulsed output (or better, both, so we can do both frequency and amplitude encoding) and we're there.
Wikilawyering around the rule isn't going to end well.
Threatening a man like him will make him more pissed off. He will then agree with us...and then hunt us at his leisure once he felt that we are lured in by false safety.
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Jello_Raptor
(Confirmed Jelly)
- Location
- Left of Center
I think there's a reasonable compromise in asking Kagome to setup a path to help us run away. He doesn't join us to talk to Jiraiya, and helps us get away if needs be.
No going Armageddon Initiative though, just gives us an edge to help us run.
No going Armageddon Initiative though, just gives us an edge to help us run.
- Location
- Switzerland
Some thoughts on team's situation:
- I don't think leaving Keiko behind is an option. It is too likiely to completely destroy team morale and lead to team dissolving. Let's not go that route.
- Splitting the party is a bad idea. It increases chances of detection and weakens the sub-parties. Let's keep the team together.
- Hazou can buy Sealing 13. I think he should buy Sealing 13, and then maybe some Stealth or Awareness.
- Noburi, I think, should make MedKnow and MedNin a top priority. Whenever he can, he should get MedNin and MedKnow 10 if at all possible.
- Akane would benefit from MechApt 15. After that, probably Stealth/Awareness.
- Keiko, unfortunately, is locked to Research: Angst.
Jello_Raptor
(Confirmed Jelly)
- Location
- Left of Center
It might be worthwhile for Nobby and Hazou to go try and get supplies while we're waiting on Keiko.
Inoue isn't leaving and we have the best socials of the rest of the gang. We should be able to stock on basics as needed.
Inoue isn't leaving and we have the best socials of the rest of the gang. We should be able to stock on basics as needed.
- Location
- USA
- Pronouns
- He/Him
Noburi has no way of advancing his medical skills without a teacher; you need to be at 10 before you can improve on your own. Unless he goes back to Hashimoto-sensei in Tea (or convinces some other medic to train him) he's stuck with what he's got.
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- Yes.
Hazou can't buy sealing 13 without experimentation. He can level up some, but not that much.
If we're increasing stealth, don't go beyond Keiko's level. Raising awareness is fine.
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- Switzerland
I don't understand what you mean.
Hazou currently has Sealing 12. Next level is Sealing 13. Hazou can buy Sealing 13 because of Kagome's lectures, see here:
Ah, I misunderstood.