I interpreted it as "Kei poured out enough betel nut oil, and was hesitating about adding more. Panashe surprised Kei, and she jumped and spilled the betel nut oil on Panashe. Panashe desummoned in shock."
Marked for Death: A Rational Naruto Quest
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- naruto rationalist romance armageddon is looking better and better damn you kishimoto explosions everywhere explosives solve everyone if in doubt surrender to the mercy of zabuza it seemed like a good idea at the time looks like a really bad case of being a jōnin my god. where does the lore end? precommitting is the winning plan screaming in kagome screw the rules i have explosives something bad might still happen sometimes you gotta sociopath stabby zabby subsection c of paragraph 9 should include we can weaponize this so hard
I interpreted it as "Kei poured out enough betel nut oil, and was hesitating about adding more. Panashe surprised Kei, and she jumped and spilled the betel nut oil on Panashe. Panashe desummoned in shock."
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Sounds like she stopped because of the desummoning. She would have killed him otherwise?
Anyway we really have to reward Panashe , she has been the most useful pangolin of all.
Sounds like our client want's to make money by dropping hints, so how do we get one million ryo?
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My interpretation was that she got reverse summoned, and spilled the oil onto the ground of the Seventh Path.
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- Keiko is about to pour in the oil
- The guard comes because 15 minutes are up
- Panashe unsummons with Keiko
- The surprise of being grabbed and suddenly reverse-summoned causes Keiko to spill the oil
- Most of the oil ends up on the ground before she catches herself
- She uses the rest of the oil to drug the whisky
- The empty oil flask is left poorly concealed for any search of the office to find
Is this so unclear that I need to revise the update?
- The guard comes because 15 minutes are up
- Panashe unsummons with Keiko
- The surprise of being grabbed and suddenly reverse-summoned causes Keiko to spill the oil
- Most of the oil ends up on the ground before she catches herself
- She uses the rest of the oil to drug the whisky
- The empty oil flask is left poorly concealed for any search of the office to find
Is this so unclear that I need to revise the update?
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In particular it would be good to clarify that "the rest of the oil" corresponds to "the appropriate dose assuming Keiko was following the plan to the letter".
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Certainly, if we were using it to attack clients. But creating a clone, having it henge as an enemy team without a bandana and just walking around?
Seems perfectly acceptable to me.
It feels good to have the proper degree of paranoia!
On which note, excellent writing @Velorien! It had me on the edge of my seat!
I interpretted it with 5 and 6 reversed, but it was otherwise clear.
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I was a little lost the first time around, though when I looked back to see if I missed anything I got it mostly figured out.
This line is where the key pieces of the puzzle were, and for some reason I didn't parse it as an important sentence and thus only picked up the general gist of what it said.
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So, before proposing solutions, lets talk about the problem for a while.
We want to make sure important people know that Lizardbreath was high today.
But we don't want anyone to know we were involved. We can't take our bandanna's off, so anyone we talk to will know that we are a part of the chuunin exams.
On top of that, everyone in Mist we might talk to hates our traitor guts. Except the yakuza
What needs to happen? The mizukage needs to make an announcement on the legal situation of drugs, and needs to do so very soon. So the mizukage needs to know that Lizardbreath was high, and needs to think that everyone is Mist is likely to know very soon.
We want to make sure important people know that Lizardbreath was high today.
But we don't want anyone to know we were involved. We can't take our bandanna's off, so anyone we talk to will know that we are a part of the chuunin exams.
On top of that, everyone in Mist we might talk to hates our traitor guts. Except the yakuza
What needs to happen? The mizukage needs to make an announcement on the legal situation of drugs, and needs to do so very soon. So the mizukage needs to know that Lizardbreath was high, and needs to think that everyone is Mist is likely to know very soon.
Cariyaga
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Well, we do have yakuza contacts. Depending on how trustworthy we think they are (not very), we could always drop a hint with them. Mention how we've heard rumors that the headmaster is an addict and to look into that -- just consider how convenient it would be for their business if drugs were suddenly legal.
And why, wouldn't we happen to know someone who could get them a jump on cornering the market? Purely coincidental.
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Is that not covered by "There was exactly enough oil for the volume and potency of alcohol, though I was forced to leave an empty flask"?
There were some, shall we say, interesting rolls this update. However, the plan was solid enough that it would have been difficult for things to go very wrong.
Anonymously reporting someone in Mist is frighteningly easy. You have the secret police, you have T&I, you have the public relations face of the bureaucracy in the Mizukage's Office... under Yagura's regime, pretty much any government official would have to pass it up the chain. How much of it Ren has dismantled you don't know, but old cultures of denunciation die hard.
You're less au fait with his enemies in the school (sure, a bunch of teachers dislike him, but you don't know how far they'd go to harm him), and certainly you don't know the politics outside school well enough to speculate.
Fine in principle, though as mentioned I chose to ignore this (to your benefit, I think).
This is a very good balance of complexity. It gives me all the information I need in terms of both intent and means, and doesn't leave any obvious gaps that would make it hard for me to write. It's also the kind of thing that can be shunted offscreen if nothing interesting happens.
This is nigh perfect. Rarely have I found it so easy to write an action-centred update (though the new ruleset really helps too). It's concise, precise, flows with no gaps and covers obvious questions and "what if" scenarios.
This is definitely too vague for how important it is, and how complicated it is for people in your position to communicate with Mist citizens.
This is good. It's a scene that doesn't need to be overspecified, and isn't, but there's enough potential material there to be getting on with.
Also, dear Slaanesh, SV doesn't make quoting bullet points easy.
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It ought to be, I just thought she might have been lying: "exactly enough" made me suspicious. I guess she wasn't, then. Thanks for verifying.
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Also thanks for the feedback on the plan.
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Worst comes to worst, Jiraiya's in frequent contact with the Mizukage. Contact him through the Summon Realm. Have him trade the details for a minor concession to Leaf.
Downside:
Benefits of the plan:
Downside:
- Not a good idea to then publically reveal our part in the setup after the exams, so we lose that diplomatic coup.
- We're relying on Jiraiya rather than doing it without him, passing up an opportunity to impress
Benefits of the plan:
- We get to use Jiraiya's social-fu in place of our own to sell the story and cover any holes. Given that mid-update social improv is not a strong suit, that's a plus.
- Right now, we don't actually have any friendly contacts of our own with an interest in hearing the story from us.
- The Mizukage is made *certain* that it can't be suppressed, since Leaf already knows about it
- We trade in some of the personal kudos for a minor favour for Leaf
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Thanks a lot for the breakdown @Velorien! I think ignoring our preference for the timeframe was a good call as well. That is only really there so you can potentially skip time if nothing interesting happens, so there shouldn't ever be any complaints about ending earlier.
It sounds like this is a pretty good plan size to aim for - almost exactly 400 words. We got across everything necessary, and where the plan was lacking, it was because we didn't know what to do rather than because we underspecified.
Potential problem might be timing. We can contact Jiraiya via the summon realm every 12 hours, if I recall correctly. Not sure when exactly the next contact point is, and if he'll have enough time to capitalize, considering Lizardbreath will likely start his rampage around 10 am. But it is the most solid idea we've had for this thus far.
It sounds like this is a pretty good plan size to aim for - almost exactly 400 words. We got across everything necessary, and where the plan was lacking, it was because we didn't know what to do rather than because we underspecified.
Potential problem might be timing. We can contact Jiraiya via the summon realm every 12 hours, if I recall correctly. Not sure when exactly the next contact point is, and if he'll have enough time to capitalize, considering Lizardbreath will likely start his rampage around 10 am. But it is the most solid idea we've had for this thus far.
Cariyaga
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An alternative:
Hinting about it to the Yakuza:
Downside:
- Not entirely trustworthy for this. They're solidly under the Mizukage's thumb, so depending on how things play out they could betray us to her.
- Will probably require we talk to the Oyabun
- Improved relations with the Yakuza if successful (Can be used to find high power foreign teams)
- Near-guaranteed that it gets out. Yakuza have a pretty big network, I'm sure.
- Nicely segues into the Yakuza buying out Karina's entire stock for mutual betterment.
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I personally found it unclear (hence asking for clarification). Definitely enjoyed the post, just that part specifically had me rereading a few times trying to parse
I don't understand why we don't just pay someone to spread the rumour around. The yak would do it.
Or we could write a note describing Ichigaya's drugged up antics, and convince someone to deliver it to all the parents of the academy students. Nothing like an angry mob, scared for little Timmy, to rile up a public outcry.
Or we could write a note describing Ichigaya's drugged up antics, and convince someone to deliver it to all the parents of the academy students. Nothing like an angry mob, scared for little Timmy, to rile up a public outcry.
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I don't think we have to worry about making sure the scandal's public. Jiraiya gave us the totally-not-a-go-ahead, so he's already aware of what we intend to do and he's got confidence in our skills. I'd be surprised if a Leaf ninja doesn't decide to visit the Mist Academy tomorrow morning and just so happens to see the headmaster high on betel nut.
We should definitely send Jiraiya a "mission accomplished" message, though. Gotta keep him in the loop as to how we're progressing.
That seems like it'd work fine, and it would let them get a good chance to buy drugs off of our proctor so they've got an early advantage in a soon to be burgeoning legal market.
That might get him fired and drugs banned. We need this to be embarrassing in a way that makes it look like he got a bad batch, but that he's been using for a long time without it affecting his performance. An angry mob would be too much.
IMO it would be ideal if we could somehow get foreign dignitaries to come in and see that he's on drugs.
We do need to send a note to him via Pangolin to ensure that he knows we succeeded in planting the drugs, so he'll know.
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Again, the main problem is timing. We have very little time, just 2-3 hours in the morning, and Saito indicated that setting up a meeting with the Oyabun would take time, even for us.
I wouldn't be too worried about their trustworthiness. From the Oyabun's perspective, we're giving him a valuable piece of information and in return, only asking that he not use it to betray us. If he does the latter, he'll be burning that bridge forever, and he knows it. Going along with us carries minimal risk for him, I think. And he can always have his cake and eat it, by revealing later that this was the work of ninja, which I don't think will be obvious to anyone. At that point, we won't even care if he does that, either.
Do you mean @Gavin Prince's proposal? I don't think that implies revealing to Ren it was us who did this, or that it was a setup at all.
Cariyaga
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Hm... on the note of Jiraiya, if it's before his morning checkin, we can always just let him decide whether he wants us to do it or not? Whatever's better for him. I can imagine he could really freak Mist out by implying that his intelligence network is so good that he knows what's going on in the academy.
...Actually, we could just ask Asuma to do so. Play on our alliance with Shikamaru for a favor.
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I agree that the yakuza would appreciate knowing about potential changes in advance. The market loves predictability.
How convenient would it be, though? They'd get more customers if it were legal, but with lower margins because it's less apparently risky. Except the social disdain for drugs means they wouldn't get many more, so their profits would probably decrease.
They'd endure a bit less risk, but as it's not outright illegal at the moment (if I'm remembering right?), that's probably not a huge problem for them today.
What they really want, I think, is for Lord Lizardbreath's indiscretion to serve as an advertisement for the drugs. He's as high as a kite, but c'mon, doesn't it look like fun? And does betel oil give us that?
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This isn't going to promote drug use among the general population.
Cariyaga
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The Yakuza currently gets no customers buying drugs because they're firmly under the thumb of the kage and Yagura said no drugs and Ren hasn't changed that view. So even with 'lesser' profit margins, being able to corner the markets mean big profits for them.