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You forgot the Hazou conspiracy, as dictated by Nara Shikaku
Marked for Death: A Rational Naruto Quest
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- naruto rationalist romance armageddon is looking better and better damn you kishimoto explosions everywhere explosives solve everyone if in doubt surrender to the mercy of zabuza it seemed like a good idea at the time looks like a really bad case of being a jōnin my god. where does the lore end? precommitting is the winning plan screaming in kagome screw the rules i have explosives something bad might still happen sometimes you gotta sociopath stabby zabby subsection c of paragraph 9 should include we can weaponize this so hard
So I quote you the following from Chapter 138.
If there's no greater authority then who are those bosses sending on the "proper share" to?
And Goda specifically has international reach, in that we see going from where ever Ise is to Water Country. And of course, then after they kidnap Goda this "series of territorial organizations" manages to hire a powerful ninja to punish the perpetrators.
Now maybe Hazou is wrong or maybe he's misunderstanding, but Hazou has every reason to fear that there's some greater organization to the Yakuza. He's literally seen (what he believes to be) a higher level of organization in action.
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She made it out - only Jiraya's agent died.
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- UK
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I feel like this should be on the list of quest mottos.
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- Galicia,Spain
Obviously the simpler explanation is that all of them are the same shadow council, or, in fact ,the same person .
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- Europe
About Yamamoto, we are unlikely to completly change his opinion on clans, but we can make him at least view Goketsu in a positive light. Might even be useful to have a clanless pro-Goketsu ninja around that is more loyal to us than the rest.
Figuring out what happened to his original team will likely help us understanding him, maybe that's the source of some of his anger? If he was on a team with two clan kids who were both promoted last year while he wasn't would cause a lot of resentment I imagine, especially if they did't get along in the first place.
Figuring out what happened to his original team will likely help us understanding him, maybe that's the source of some of his anger? If he was on a team with two clan kids who were both promoted last year while he wasn't would cause a lot of resentment I imagine, especially if they did't get along in the first place.
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You forgot the Hazou conspiracy, as dictated by Nara Shikaku
Watch Hazou experience a Tyler Durden moment when he meets with the Yakuza in the upcoming update.
EDIT: It's also, strictly speaking, not a conspiracy if it only includes Hazou manipulating everyone secretly.
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Cariyaga
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I strongly suspect that it was less that than his team dying for lack of resources.
His team dying for resources? Akane got a fuckload of seals.
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Here's what Sakura has to say about it during the pre-exam spars:
Them dying, or getting hurt badly enough to end their ninja careers, seems like the most likely possibility here. If they were promoted, why wouldn't Sakura just say so? She had no issue talking about her own teammates' promotions.
I suspect you're correct. Compare Hazou's feelings to that of Haru. Hazou resented the clan kids, but learned to live with it as "that's the way the world is". Haru's team being killed is the kind of thing that would create the deep anger we've seen from him. If they were killed due to reasons he can articulate as "being treated as expendable for reasons of not being clan members" then you can see why the rage would be directed as it is.
Which is maybe a clue about messaging. If Hazou can communicate, "I don't view you as expendable. I don't view you as less," then that might go a long way to earning Haru's loyalty.
Which is maybe a clue about messaging. If Hazou can communicate, "I don't view you as expendable. I don't view you as less," then that might go a long way to earning Haru's loyalty.
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How do you communicate that clearly, though? We're already treating him the same as anyone else in our plans. An opportunity may or may not arise, but Haru isn't on our team, and we might not have much time before he snaps and does something stupid.
This is why I liked the idea of taking him with us to see the yakuza. It's a proactive move that should challenge his preconceptions. We don't really need to make him into a fervent believer in Hazou's creed right now, just avert the possible disaster in the short term.
Cariyaga
Handsome Gentleperson
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I mean, we could just pitch the idea to him of something like: "Hey Haru, I was considering looking into starting an afterschool program for the academy. You know, provide some extra training and such. You interested in helping with that?"
e: I figure he's smart enough to put together "This is intended for non-clan kids" and "This is an olive branch."
e: I figure he's smart enough to put together "This is intended for non-clan kids" and "This is an olive branch."
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This isn't a political problem for Haru, and I don't think you can solve it via a political manoeuvre. If you just propose something like this to him out of the blue, he's liable to interpret it as an attempt to buy him off, which will make things worse.
What we need to do is show him we empathize with him, and give him some kind of outlet for his anger. Once his emotional issue is at least partially addressed, we can move on to constructive solutions to what he believes is the root cause.
Cariyaga
Handsome Gentleperson
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But that isn't a political maneuver. It's a practical solution to a problem Hazou sees, and an attempt to involve him in the solution.
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- USA
Do you realize how much like a politician's answer that sounds like?
I think our first move should be to let him vent at us. Just... poke him into losing control and going on a rant about the clans and injustice and blah blah, and calmly sit there and listen. And then once he's worn himself out and realised he fucked up by shouting all that at the most privileged clan kid in all of Konoha, we're like "I agree. Want to help me fix the problem?". And only then, when he's completely confused about what just happened, do we explain what our childhood was like.
Cariyaga
Handsome Gentleperson
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- United States
Not until you said that, noDo you realize how much like a politician's answer that sounds like?
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It's a practical solution to the problem Hazou sees, yes. But it's not what Haru needs. He's angry because he feels he's being treated unjustly, and because his teammates are dead. You can't just remove these reasons, and even if you could, it wouldn't instantly result in his anger disappearing. People and emotions simply don't work like this.
The most immediate problem stems from Haru's emotional state, and that's what we need to address. Once that's done, we can adopt a broader perspective and start talking about solutions. But first, we need him to stop hating us, because if he doesn't, he won't listen no matter how reasonable or constructive our argument is.
And he will always be the most privileged kid(for so long he remains a Gotesku) and Hazō will never not use powers to achieve his goals.
In this kind of society, a meritocratic society will be clan-based by dint of how bloodlines work and how advantages just accumulate and snowball.
I don't think one should made a promise like that, especially when you're on the other side, without having some idea on how to make a meritocratic society into an egalitarian one.
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<removes QM hat>
<puts on devil's advocate hat>
Should you replace a meritocracy with an egalitarian society? A meritocracy is rule by the best. An egalitarian society is one where all people are considered equal. In the real world that makes sense, but the people of MfD are *not* equal. Ninja are stronger, faster, and tougher than civilians as well as being able to break physics with finger twitches. They also tend to be better educated. Clan ninja are another (albeit smaller) step above clanless ninja -- clan ninja have access to education, techniques, and resources that clanless ninja do not. There are even two clans whose bloodlines and clan lore make them smarter than everyone else...or, at least, better at problem solving, which is pretty similar. Why shouldn't they be in charge?
I came from a quest that saw the fall of civilization due to arrogant nobles who are also the best soldiers/scholars/kings. So I know that an egalitarian society isn't necessary a meritocratic one.
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