We had a discussion about this in the swamp, and Keiko said basically, "Use the pangolins I've already revealed, but don't use any I haven't shown yet."
Marked for Death: A Rational Naruto Quest
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We had a discussion about this in the swamp, and Keiko said basically, "Use the pangolins I've already revealed, but don't use any I haven't shown yet."
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Right, but Keiko did reveal Panashe as a tracker/scout since she used her to find the other Rookies. Thus it is know that a) she exists; and b) she is a tracker/scout...which is what we want her to be doing. Track a rookie.
Exactly. That's why I had no hesitations about using Panashe.
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Right, and so my questions was regarding why there wasn't a Pangolin mention when we were discussing how to get to the next event, even though our team suggested other stuff.
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To confirm, you saw that I answered this, right? I get that you're discussing intentions, but I want to make sure you have the information.
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I did, yes.
Oh yeah, that reminds me. Did the teams come to consensus on if/how we're going to take seals from other teams, and did we actually do those things? I'm just trying to figure out what we're voting on for the next update.
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Yeah, it didn't end in the best place in terms of giving y'all good voting options.
You can choose which way you want to take the seals and the other teams will do it other ways.
Well... we are a heavy combat team.
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Ehh... We still have to figure out a way to do it out of public view. Which is what we were going to count on Sakura for... although... I suppose we could just have Panashe take teams out on her own.
...Damn, having a resident stealth specialist is handy.
Also could summon Genjutsu specialist pangolin too.
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So I asked myself... is there any power that Hazou has over this? Is there anything he can do to shorten the time of the exam? Yes, there is one thing.
The moment that there are only sixteen viable competitors left, the Mizukage will have no excuse but to proceed on to the Tournament.
That means that every word-half stolen is a countdown timer. Every contestant that can be eliminated shortens the time that the Exam can be stretched out. For the good of Leaf and their own clan, the team needs to prioritize eliminating other comeptitiors as fast as possible and at every opportunity.
This needs to be taken care of before it explodes in our faces. We need to grab Akane and social-fu the hell out of Yamamoto, or he will screw us over at the worst possible moment. Not sure how to do it, but leaving things like this after repeated warnings is asking to be betrayed.
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The next update is going to be about stealing word-halfs, right? So rather than put all of that on one person making the plan, how about we divide up the labor? Everyone poster can just come up with their own plan to steal word-halves and the thread as a whole can look them over, comment, critique, and then we can package them all up in the action Action plan for the next update. So I'm putting out a call:
1. What is your plan to steal word-halves? Please use as much mechanical detail as possible.
2. Do you have any ideas on addressing Yamamoto's issues and trying to Befriend him? Please post, with as much mechanical details as possible.
So I asked myself... is there any power that Hazou has over this? Is there anything he can do to shorten the time of the exam? Yes, there is one thing.
The moment that there are only sixteen viable competitors left, the Mizukage will have no excuse but to proceed on to the Tournament.
That means that every word-half stolen is a countdown timer. Every contestant that can be eliminated shortens the time that the Exam can be stretched out. For the good of Leaf and their own clan, the team needs to prioritize eliminating other comeptitiors as fast as possible and at every opportunity.
This needs to be taken care of before it explodes in our faces. We need to grab Akane and social-fu the hell out of Yamamoto, or he will screw us over at the worst possible moment. Not sure how to do it, but leaving things like this after repeated warnings is asking to be betrayed.
Idea for the Thread
The next update is going to be about stealing word-halfs, right? So rather than put all of that on one person making the plan, how about we divide up the labor? Everyone poster can just come up with their own plan to steal word-halves and the thread as a whole can look them over, comment, critique, and then we can package them all up in the action Action plan for the next update. So I'm putting out a call:
1. What is your plan to steal word-halves? Please use as much mechanical detail as possible.
2. Do you have any ideas on addressing Yamamoto's issues and trying to Befriend him? Please post, with as much mechanical details as possible.
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We're not allowed to maim or kill to get our opponents out of the tournament. But the rules don't say anything about breaking people's minds. I say we have Kei make a pact with a psy-ops specialist, and then have that specialist (and Hazou with his high Deceit) run a campaign to destroy the sanity of threatening-looking enemies.
E: Although actually breaking people's minds is not really something we want to do. We just need to put them under so much pressure they quit.
We're not allowed to maim or kill to get our opponents out of the tournament. But the rules don't say anything about breaking people's minds. I say we have Kei make a pact with a psy-ops specialist, and then have that specialist (and Hazou with his high Deceit) run a campaign to destroy the sanity of threatening-looking enemies.
E: Although actually breaking people's minds is not really something we want to do. We just need to put them under so much pressure they quit.
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Cariyaga
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Yes. Instead of addressing it directly, use it.
Talk to him about how from our time in mist we noticed how non-clan ninja were treated -- in spite of having a bloodline, we reveal to him that Hazou's mother was spurned for who she married -- and that we've noticed it's an issue in Leaf as well. Figure out what he thinks of working to fix it. Maybe trying to get better non-clan representation?
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> "Neji and I could follow at a distance, using our Byakugan," Hyūga said.
I'd switch that to 'said Hinata' for clarity. Context shows it's her, but there are two Hyugas in the conversation and, of those two, Neji's been the one speaking to that point.
I'd switch that to 'said Hinata' for clarity. Context shows it's her, but there are two Hyugas in the conversation and, of those two, Neji's been the one speaking to that point.
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I'm not sure that failing the First Event equates to failing the Exams as a whole; IIRC the proctors said that the first 4 events give points which, when summed, give the top 16 individuals for the tournament. Of course, the proctors could also be lying, but I would rather we not assume that stealing half-words would shorten the exam time.
Of course, there's also the more violent option of breaking people's arms and legs so that they literally cannot continue.
No there isnt. We're not supposed to maim. That's why I'm suggesting psy-ops to make people quit under pressure.
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No we are not supposed to get caught maiming Anyone
Damn it, that's true. I went back and checked the wording and it's very careful to say "fail the First Event". We had been assuming these were conducted as eliminations, but since they aren't there's nothing preventing someone from trying to get by on their cumulative score from the other events.
Doesn't help and anyway wouldn't be tolerated.
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I mean, that's one way of reading it, certainly. The other way is to just appreciate how big Neji's ego is that he is now two seperate people in an alliance of 15 rookies.
That said, it's nice to see that we managed to get Team 8 into the alliance after all. I am curious as to whether we discussed anything wrt why they didn't join us last event.
The line is a murky one, not a legalistic one. As I understand it, the basic idea is that teams are allowed to "do what they need to win" and if that involves injuries, well, everyone is playing with sharp objects here. On the other hand, teams that seem to have the assignment of "reducing the available ninja supply of another village" will be viewed with deep suspicion and as a potential act of war.
EDIT: Even if they're only genin, you can see how that sort of thing could quickly get out of hand if villages get the idea that their genin are being targeted for long term debilitating injuries for no other purpose than to render them mission incapable.
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On the topic of the supposed number of events, this is verbatim what Ren had to say in her opening speech:
So yes, there is a very real possibility that proctors are lying.
Strictly speaking, relieving someone of their secret word half doesn't even make them fail immediately; being asked to produce the word half by a proctor, and not having it, does; and everyone has to turn theirs in for verification at the end of the first event. Or alternatively, learning a competitor's actual secret word and telling a proctor does this immediately, but that's much harder than just stealing an object.
This, incidentally, also means that people who we steal secret words from have a very strong incentive to try to get them back. We'll be making determined enemies.
We need an in before we can be this direct with him. If we just open up a conversation, talking about non-clan ninja treatment, I feel like he's just going to stonewall us. We first need to establish enough trust that he feels he can be candid with us. Or, alternatively, make him angry enough that he goes into a rant about clan privilege in spite of his own better judgement.
So yes, there is a very real possibility that proctors are lying.
Strictly speaking, relieving someone of their secret word half doesn't even make them fail immediately; being asked to produce the word half by a proctor, and not having it, does; and everyone has to turn theirs in for verification at the end of the first event. Or alternatively, learning a competitor's actual secret word and telling a proctor does this immediately, but that's much harder than just stealing an object.
This, incidentally, also means that people who we steal secret words from have a very strong incentive to try to get them back. We'll be making determined enemies.
We need an in before we can be this direct with him. If we just open up a conversation, talking about non-clan ninja treatment, I feel like he's just going to stonewall us. We first need to establish enough trust that he feels he can be candid with us. Or, alternatively, make him angry enough that he goes into a rant about clan privilege in spite of his own better judgement.
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Oh, also @eaglejarl the recent update says that we've collected only 3 half-words from other teams (presumably that was during Chapter 162.1); however we fought and got seals from 3 different teams. One of those teams (Kumo-nin) surrendered and we didn't take their half-words; another was the Hot Springs team we KOd. But the third team was never mentioned. Was there a particular reason we didn't get half-words from that team?
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Iirc they were deposited really far from you guys and were doing just fine fucking other people up in their area, so they decided not to chance the journey.
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Yeah, I'm having trouble with that. This is all told from Hazō's POV, so it needs to name people the way he names them. He's not on first names with Hinata so his internal monologue should not refer to her by first name. I'm unsure how this is handled in Japanese literature so I've been trying to keep it to surnames and make it clear from context.
It was another "don't push them to keep fighting" situation, like the Lightning one.