Marked for Death: A Rational Naruto Quest
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- naruto rationalist romance armageddon is looking better and better damn you kishimoto explosions everywhere explosives solve everyone if in doubt surrender to the mercy of zabuza it seemed like a good idea at the time looks like a really bad case of being a jōnin my god. where does the lore end? precommitting is the winning plan screaming in kagome screw the rules i have explosives something bad might still happen sometimes you gotta sociopath stabby zabby subsection c of paragraph 9 should include we can weaponize this so hard
Speaking of which, can we start on the necromancy cantrip seals when the exam's over? Y'know, the "make a single leg of a dead fly twitch once" types? We're never going to bring back the dead if we don't get a start on this tech tree.
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That line, from what I remember, is good to revive people who've been stored in a storage scroll or whatever, but are less effective for things we don't have the body of. Like Shikigami. Or Papa.
On the other hand... hm. It's possible that a combination of Hazou and Hana's blood could serve as a way to get his soul (you know, assuming those exist), if we could figure out a way to get a body made for him...
An electric shock isn't really anywhere on the path to resurrection. What you really need is past scrying, which is also useful in its own right.
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Past scrying would be easier than future sight, at least in a deterministic world. ...Which we're not really certain this is.
It's not the electrical impulses part that's important. It's the making dead tissue act like living tissue that we can build off of. Making a dead muscle contract is just an incredibly basic form of it that we can use to jam our foot in the door.
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Assuming we can restart the heart and the brain (Arikadas seals were in the ears of the zombies) it might be enough to make zombies...something something chakrabullshit.
Who wants to bet that Jiraiya is going to laugh and laugh and laugh when he realizes we reverse engineered Edo Tensei (the not-resurrection variant)?
You spelled Yamanaka mindwipe wrong.
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Yeah, let's do it as soon as we are home. Lets not tell Jiraiya though, he might not understand. I suggest doing our research in secret in our catacombs below the house.
Naturally, we should use some form of creme for our face to combat the dry air below, even if said creme might lighten our complexion.
And finally, it's probably gonna be dark so I suggest maximizing the amount of light by using special slit like contact lenses.
Jiraiya isn't likely to oppose resurrection research, but he probably want to keep it super duper secrets, because that is some war changing research.
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I think the first thing that we're going to need to deal with when it comes to true resurrection is the whole chakra problem -- it leaves the body pretty immediately after expiration, and is necessary for life in-universe, so we'll need to figure out some way to get it circulating. To that end, we can test with both Noburi and in developing seals.
Storage seals seem to connect the time of activation to the time of unsealing through a dimensional pocket. You might be able to make a seal that tags a time and place when activated and can be examined from a paired seal, as a first prototype.
You're talking like there's a smooth path from making something dead twitch to resurrection, and I really don't think there is.
I disagree. Sealing pathways work because when you research a seal it lowers the TN for seals with similarities. Therefore, if you invent seals that make dead tissue act like living tissue, then it will be easier to research other seals that make dead tissue act like living tissue.
I think if you try to make a seal that makes something dead twitch, what you end up with isn't a seal that "makes dead flesh act like living flesh", but a seal that "induces a small electric current". From there you can research bigger currents, longer times, etc. But you can't get resurrection because making dead things twitch is as much of a dead end as it is in real life.
Okay, no. Describing the complex biochemical mechanisms that cause muscle contraction as "produce electricity" is oversimplification to the point of being wrong.
What's really happening is that you release calcium ions into the muscle fibres, which bind to troponin(?), causing the troponin to stop binding to actin, allowing the myosin head of a different structure to bind onto the actin and pull on the structure that it's connected to. At this point, my memory of muscle physiology begins to break down, but you get the general idea. Now you can certainly release the calcium ions by stimulating the motor neuron attached to the muscle (that's how your body does it) but saying that giving a zap of electricity is the only way to make a muscle twitch is just plain incorrect. You could easily do things like "Ca2+ ex nihilo", or messing around with the troponin. If you're worried that Hazou can't make the distinction, then you could have him make some "cause twitch" seals to lower the myosealing TNs, and then try to make a seal that causes a muscle twitch specifically without affecting the nerve.
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But alright! If muscles are going to be a twitchy subject (bad pun? bad pun) then we could easily substitute a seal that will cause a dead stomach filled with water to produce a tiny amount of acid so that the pH of the water slightly decreases. It's the same general idea: creating small but non-zero physiological function from otherwise deceased tissue.
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On the note of other ideas, we could also work with the Nara to develop a sealing style that works with their printing presses.
...although I'm sure they've thought of that, so maybe nevermind.
e: I do wonder how significantly higher the number of Nara sealmasters is as compared to other clans. All things considered I could see it being higher than even the Kurosawa for a number of reasons (their structured learning methods, the Nara's proclivity toward mental fields and sedentary nature, etc.)
...although I'm sure they've thought of that, so maybe nevermind.
e: I do wonder how significantly higher the number of Nara sealmasters is as compared to other clans. All things considered I could see it being higher than even the Kurosawa for a number of reasons (their structured learning methods, the Nara's proclivity toward mental fields and sedentary nature, etc.)
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You clearly underestimate the Nara laziness if you think sealing is sedentary enough for them.
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I have to admit, that wasn't what I expected people to focus on in that post.
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You clearly underestimate the ninja world if you think nonproductive ninja would be allowed in any clan
What else would we focus on?I have to admit, that wasn't what I expected people to focus on in that post.
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That isn't the path to resurrection. That is the path to making seal prosthetic organs and it won't help you much when you need to fix the brain.
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I mean I wouldn't expect the Nara to have many sealmasters. Maybe 6 at most