Storage seal that doesn't give things back is probably not possible.
Why not? just have the storage scroll not care where it goes. It might have some register or memory storage of where in OUT the things it gets go. Just get rid of that. A seal that only stores.


Cheese culturing seal relies on the assumption of bacteria being unaffected by storage seals, since living macroscopic organism cannot be inside storage seals, but it may not apply to microorganism.

That'd even better! Disinfectant seals!
 
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Oh, let's not forget that the current method of sealing is stated to be the most effective/efficient way to do them, so even once we figure out printing-press-sealing chances are it would have harsher attribute requirements.
 
If we get into printing press sealing, to deal with the logistical concerns we should definitely learn an earth technique that lets you mold it like clay.
 
One could just bypass the problem by inventing a pantograph, though it's questionable that the EN have the mechanical knowhow to make it precise enough beyond a prototype model.
 
Oh, let's not forget that the current method of sealing is stated to be the most effective/efficient way to do them, so even once we figure out printing-press-sealing chances are it would have harsher attribute requirements.
I mean, maybe it's just a local maximum? You'd (Probably?) have to know all possible sealing styles in order to determine the exact optimal one. Maybe there's a clever mathematical proof somewhere, though.
 
If we get into printing press sealing, to deal with the logistical concerns we should definitely learn an earth technique that lets you mold it like clay.

Printing press is the inappropriate technology to sealing. One cannot just print a design for all sealmasters to use, since it must be customized for each individual seal.

Rather, you'll want woodblock printing.
 
Printing press is the inappropriate technology to sealing. One cannot just print a design for all sealmasters to use, since it must be customized for each individual seal.

Rather, you'll want woodblock printing.

Even if you need to create a new design for each sealmaster, that's still worth it when you can give that sealmaster a thousand explosive seals to infuse every morning.
 
Yeah, even if this never got used for anything more complex than explosion/storage seals it would be very worth it.

e: Intermediary measures that we could use to work toward printing pressable seals: Single brushstroke seals.

I also still quite like the idea of synthesis seals. If we could get them to the point where they can produce, say, food from dirt, that would be highly useful. :p
 
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Yeah, even if this never got used for anything more complex than explosion/storage seals it would be very worth it.

e: Intermediary measures that we could use to work toward printing pressable seals: Single brushstroke seals.

I also still quite like the idea of synthesis seals. If we could get them to the point where they can produce, say, food from dirt, that would be highly useful. :p

If my dim recollection of the Great Sealing Tech Tree is correct, going further down the storage-seal path after researching Usamatsu's Glorious Life-Saving Purifier should eventually get us there.
 
Storage seal that doesn't give things back is probably not possible.

Storage seal that sends items into the 'out' seems imminently doable, fucking crazy - but doable.

I also still quite like the idea of synthesis seals. If we could get them to the point where they can produce, say, food from dirt, that would be highly useful. :p

Still waiting on QMs to respond on the partial storage seal concept. if that fails we should be able to do the same with some cubic block cutting seals.

Of course getting from an industrial transporter beam to a replicator is no easy matter.
 
Storage seal that sends items into the 'out' seems imminently doable, fucking crazy - but doable.

Still waiting on QMs to respond on the partial storage seal concept. if that fails we should be able to do the same with some cubic block cutting seals.

Of course getting from an industrial transporter beam to a replicator is no easy matter.
They send items into the 'out' already- the Garbage disposals would just not care or remember where they put it. Maybe that'll lead to a segfault somewhere eventually, though. Hmm.

Do we know of any seals that permanently create matter? We know Jutsu that do, so it's not in principle impossible.
 
Okay, no. Describing the complex biochemical mechanisms that cause muscle contraction as "produce electricity" is oversimplification to the point of being wrong.

What's really happening is that you release calcium ions into the muscle fibres, which bind to troponin(?), causing the troponin to stop binding to actin, allowing the myosin head of a different structure to bind onto the actin and pull on the structure that it's connected to. At this point, my memory of muscle physiology begins to break down, but you get the general idea. Now you can certainly release the calcium ions by stimulating the motor neuron attached to the muscle (that's how your body does it) but saying that giving a zap of electricity is the only way to make a muscle twitch is just plain incorrect. You could easily do things like "Ca2+​ ex nihilo", or messing around with the troponin. If you're worried that Hazou can't make the distinction, then you could have him make some "cause twitch" seals to lower the myosealing TNs, and then try to make a seal that causes a muscle twitch specifically without affecting the nerve.
I know there are multiple ways to cause a muscle to contract. Running an electric current through the flesh is the only one simple enough that there is any chance of stumbling across it by accident.

Remember that the the process used to create breathable gas from a seal was to just keep generating gas mixtures until one of them didn't kill the mice. The biological knowledge to understand how a muscle works, so far as we have any reason to believe, simply does not exist.
 
I know there are multiple ways to cause a muscle to contract. Running an electric current through the flesh is the only one simple enough that there is any chance of stumbling across it by accident.

Remember that the the process used to create breathable gas from a seal was to just keep generating gas mixtures until one of them didn't kill the mice. The biological knowledge to understand how a muscle works, so far as we have any reason to believe, simply does not exist.

My last sentence addresses these concerns.
 
You know the best way to get resseruction/immortality is to go find Orchimaru and steal all his research
 
The difficult part of what you're proposing isn't the target numbers but the exponentially large number of similar seals that don't do what you want and the fact that literally no one has the knowledge required to know in advance which effect is the one you want.

You think that there is no way to detect a zap of electricity?

Because if you can tell whether or not the seal generated electricity then all you need to do to make the muscle fire without nervous input is to keep working on your seal until it functions correctly without generating electricity.
 
You think that there is no way to detect a zap of electricity?

Because if you can tell whether or not the seal generated electricity then all you need to do to make the muscle fire without nervous input is to keep working on your seal until it functions correctly without generating electricity.
Just to be clear, is your proposed strategy here something other then generating random changes to chemical interactions until Hazou randomly stumbles on the correct one? Because if not, the result of that strategy is that Hazou dies of old age (or gives up) before achieving anything.
 
I am just realizing, if this is the Sealapocalypse and we die...we die in a swamp where our story started. *sniff* How poetic.

(Fuck that let's not die!)

You know the best way to get resseruction/immortality is to go find Orchimaru and steal all his research

We just have to seduce Oro-chan, I mean we are basically a Uchiha, can't be that hard. HazouXOro
 
Just to be clear, is your proposed strategy here something other then generating random changes to chemical interactions until Hazou randomly stumbles on the correct one? Because if not, the result of that strategy is that Hazou dies of old age (or gives up) before achieving anything.
I feel like that's what sealing is in general tbh...
 
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