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Kagome's hair is black, actually. It always has been.
Marked for Death: A Rational Naruto Quest
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- naruto rationalist romance armageddon is looking better and better damn you kishimoto explosions everywhere explosives solve everyone if in doubt surrender to the mercy of zabuza it seemed like a good idea at the time looks like a really bad case of being a jōnin my god. where does the lore end? precommitting is the winning plan screaming in kagome screw the rules i have explosives something bad might still happen sometimes you gotta sociopath stabby zabby subsection c of paragraph 9 should include we can weaponize this so hard
Cariyaga
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Just like Mari's eyes have always been green?
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Yup. And we have always been at war with Hidden Mist.
Raxner
The most dangerous man in an empty room
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Anyways, even if Kagome's hair were brown in adulthood, hair often changes color between childhood and adulthood.
Hmm...it occurred to me that if we are interested in getting Akane to go into ice manufacture, she wouldn't want to produce lots of little cubes, but one huge cube. That should naturally survive the heat much better, as it's got a far lower surface area to mass ratio. Put it inside a thick-walled MEW structure (for insulation), for which we naturally also receive payment, and it could last for a long time.
BTW, if Hazo can eventually figure out a way to get rid of his MEW structures (I know, we don't think it's possible), this opens a serious potential trump card for Leaf and Team Uplift.
Suppose that he's used MEW to create buildings in all the major Villages. Since MEW is believed to be undispellable, the MEW buildings can serve, not only to insulate ice, but as fortifications in time of war.
But since Hazo actually does know how to dispell them (if he ever figures that out), in the event of war, he can make the enemy's fortifications just go away.
Water poodles? Interesting...but I think water Rottweilers would have more combat applications.
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MEW makes real granite, not a chakra construct*. If we can figure out how to dispel ordinary matter then we don't have to jump through the hoop of raising buildings/fortifications for our (future) enemies, we can just dispel whatever fortifications they build.
* As long as it's used on a sufficiently large piece of earth. If you cast it from a stick or something, it makes a chakra construct.
* As long as it's used on a sufficiently large piece of earth. If you cast it from a stick or something, it makes a chakra construct.
Raxner
The most dangerous man in an empty room
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Yeah, I know that we believe this to be impossible. I'm asking if we might be mistaken. Maybe MEW granite isn't fully ordinary, and some kind of backdoor could be constructed, allowing Hazo to get rid of it later on.
Of course, the ability to dispel normal material would be even better.
Oh, here's a thought. Suppose that Hazo throws a kunai at an enemy, and sees that it's going to miss, going right by the enemy. Would it be possible for him to cast MEW on the kunai in flight, making it sprout a chunk of granite and brain the enemy-that-thought-he-was-safe? (Same would go for other missiles, obviously, or missiles thrown by his allies.)
This might also have defensive applications. Suppose he sees an incoming missile--by casting MEW on it early enough, he can cause it to hit a tree or something, or just hit the ground earlier, thus preventing it from skewering him or one of his friends.
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So, Living roots jutsu - I understand it is incredibly op. . . But right now, i seemed to notice a Rigid boundary set on it based on that the precision is limited. . . So how about we learn the Hacking thing? You know, the one that lets us devise our own Jutsu? We could learn it only to boost up the precision of living roots, and even though it won't be as powerfull as the type mentioned before. . . It WILL give us incredible boost to interrogation, And maybe even reading the actions and precise positions of people not far away from us, Effectively giving us a bonus to Anything that's happening in melee range. There are people right now in real life that use observations of muscle movements and minute reactions to play magicians, you know? And they either lightly touch someone through a shirt on their wrist, or even better - Look at the muscles if someone doesn't wear a long sleeved shirt. And we are Ninja. Im pretty sure we could devise a proffesional interrogation jutsu based on the Living root, which would simply let us precisely read muscle movements of the person we touch. And pretty much achieve a small bonus on melee fights, and slightly higher one for grapple stuff. If we'd really work on it, we could theoretically achieve perfect recognition of enemy movements via ninja wire. We would get as close as possible to achieving Uchiha level of body language reading without ripping one of their eyes out.
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If you wanted to do a proof of concept test for this, it might go like so:
- As hard as you can, throw a knife at a wall 10m away
- Before it hits, make the four hand seals of the MEW jutsu1: Tiger → Hare → Boar → Dog
Note that this is not to say that all thrown-weapon combat happens over a range of 10m, but that seemed like a reasonable approximation for a POC test.
I know that I've played a little fast and loose with this in the past, giving Hazō the chance to raise a MEW to block incoming weapons fire. Still, if it was going to become a regular thing in his arsenal then there should probably be a nod to realism in there somewhere.
1 This is technically the EW jutsu since hand seals for MEW are not listed. Still, this is just a proof of concept.
Raxner
The most dangerous man in an empty room
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You mean that I should see if it's physically possible to do the four hand signs quickly enough? Fair enough.
BTW, I recall that in one of your other stories, doing hand signs was not actually necessary--Orochimaru prided himself on being able to do jutsu without hand signs. Is that possible in MfD world, in principle?
Another combat application that wouldn't suffer from the possible problem of "no time to do the hand signs" would involve a situation where enemy ninja are standing still. Perhaps he could raise sharp spiky MEW, impaling them? Properly aimed, this could leave them incapacitated but still alive, allowing for questioning. Alternatively, if they're standing on a ledge, branch, or in a wooden building, he could bring the whole thing crashing down, Cold Stone Killer style.
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In canon, handsigns can be shortened down to one with experience with the jutsu, and jutsu with several handsigns can be done one-handed. I'd hope that goes without saying. Naruto gets the kage-bunshin down to one handsign.
Raxner
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I don't know about in general, but as far as I recall, Naruto's kage-bunshin involves only one handsign right from the beginning, because that's just all it needs. I thought the reason that hardly anybody can do it is not that it's too complex, but that it's too chakra-intensive; hardly anybody has the reserves for it.
Thinking more about combat applications of MEW, why couldn't Hazo have granite burst from within the enemy's body? From the stomach, for example, if he wants the enemy incapacitated and available for questioning, from the heart or the brain if he prefers instant kill.
If MEW allows for any kind of range, this should allow Hazo to emerge as a feared long-distance fighter. Even if not, in a mass-melee situation he might still be able to get it off, picking off enemies one after the other. In an already close-in one-on-one fight it would probably not be doable, admittedly, but he's got Roki and Iron Nerve to fit him for close-in taijutsu.
Oh, @eaglejarl, even if I can't get the handsigns off quickly enough to do MEW on a kunai in flight, Mr. Iron Nerve ought to be able to do it with some practice.
I see that Hazo, when fully charged, has 100 chakra points, and MEW requires 6 per 100 cubic feet. If we're talking about overweighting a kunai or impaling a man on a sharp stick of granite originating in his heart or his gut, the cost should be absolutely trivial. (I did not see any information on range, though. Does anybody have this info?)
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This is inaccurate. There are plenty of ninja who require a sequence of hand signs to use their signature techniques, and Haku's ability to do hand signs one-handed is so rare/unique that it stuns even Kakashi.
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If making MEW on opponent bodies was possible, Id presume it would be a very high priority technique for everyone with Earth affinity, and would not have been casually traded to us.
If I were to hazard a guess, anything with the ability to control its own chakra system can automatically detect the attempt and auto-dispel. Like a Will save against an unknown mind control attempt with a ludicrously friendly modifier.
@eaglejarl I don't know if you model anything like the tabletop game will save system, but it could be interesting to allow the above if someone hyper specialized in MEW (I. E. munchkins their dice check for making the save unbeatable)
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I'm pretty sure the distance Akane can put the core of the technique is 1.5x the radius of the technique itself. Since level 5 EM has a radius of 8m (which is a ludicrous amount of ice, by the way), Akane should be able to put the core of the technique 12m away. And it lasts 50 minutes after she finishes casting, so even though the water will take more energy to form ice as long as we can keep all the water in once place it'll end up as ice anyways.
A general strategy for this could be Hazou finding a source of freshwater, like a lake, and using MEW to isolate a part of it up to about 16m in diameter. Akane then casts EM, and we come back a half hour later to harvest the ice.
A general strategy for this could be Hazou finding a source of freshwater, like a lake, and using MEW to isolate a part of it up to about 16m in diameter. Akane then casts EM, and we come back a half hour later to harvest the ice.
Vecht
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If this isn't doable, we can always use MEW on a kunai held by Keiko, who throws it on the second to last seal.
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Totally don't think we should tell Jiraiya we can make ice till it's already a profitable business
Jiraiya's agenda will not line up perfectly with our agenda. Anything that can increase our agency that does not damage our relationship with him should be pursued
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Cariyaga
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I don't particularly agree. Economics is politics and he really does not want us interfering in politics. Neither do I, to be honest. Neither Hazou nor we have the political training necessary.
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I don't particularly agree. Economics is politics and he really does not want us interfering in politics. Neither do I, to be honest. Neither Hazou nor we have the political training necessary.
Real talk what do you want out of the quest? Cause it seems like you don't want sweet ninja stuff. You don't want to try make changes to the world from my perspective. Is it just the social stuff and being there for the writing?
I want to uplift the world and fix things. Under Jiraiya's leadership that's not going to happen if we don't make it happen. I want to do the zeppelin project. I want to make that happen regardless of leaf's political stuff
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I think that's entirely logical. Ninjutsu isn't a comfortable or natural gesture for reality to make either.
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I want to uplift the world, but I don't feel the need to be directly and personally advancing that goal whenever we can if there are more effective options.
Hazou selling ice and keeping it a secret from Jiraiya has us making deals with people who have like five times the Diplomacy dice we do. It very likely will harm our standing with Jiraiya by going behind his back and entering the political arena despite him telling us not to and might even harm ours and Jiraiya's power in Leaf if people think we're out of line by trying.
Hazou telling Jiraiya about the ice puts us further in Jiraiya's good graces and helps grow Jiraiya's influence in Leaf. All risk is filtered through Jiraiya's immense Diplomacy stat, and Jiraiya can still credit us in a 'oh yeah my son's also responsible for Leaf's cheap ice supply' sort of way.
I get that it sounds more fun to try and merchant empire all by ourselves, but it sounds contrary to my goals to sacrifice the political influence we'll get from delegating to Jiraiya for the slight chance that doing it ourself doesn't blow up in our face.
Cariyaga
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This, pretty much.
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I think that misrepresented my position. I personally feel like starting of selling some ice to local merchants is what it mean by going to Jiraiya with a successful business. Maybe sell a few hundred pounds of ice to caravan that go to leaf. Then we go talk to Jiraiya about making it a long term thing. To stock up each caravan when they come to leaf.
I'm okay with getting Jiraiya's blessing if we expand but for small moves I think we can lay some ground work before hand. Basically I don't want bother the supreme leader of leaf with economic issues that are less valuable than less than 5 caravan worth of income
Edit: also Kei is rocking 29 dice in deal making situations. So we aren't at a disadvantage there
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