I believe I speak for faflec when I say:

*screams in Kagome*
The problem with splitting the party is that our group cannot function without Kagome as we desire. Right now, Kagome and Jiraiya are the only people who can make skywalkers. So, without Kagome, our team cannot travel through the air and regularly use high altitude skytowers.
 
The problem with splitting the party is that our group cannot function without Kagome as we desire. Right now, Kagome and Jiraiya are the only people who can make skywalkers. So, without Kagome, our team cannot travel through the air and regularly use high altitude skytowers.
Also, even if Hazou did know Skywalkers, he'd kill himself infusing them.
 
Also, even if Hazou did know Skywalkers, he'd kill himself infusing them.
Sorry if I was unclear, this is where we are. Hazou knows skywalkers, can make their seal blanks, and has completed research on how to infuse them, but he cannot infuse them until his sealing level increases. At least, I think that's where we are.
 
Sorry if I was unclear, this is where we are. Hazou knows skywalkers, can make their seal blanks, and has completed research on how to infuse them, but he cannot infuse them until his sealing level increases. At least, I think that's where we are.
Actually, IIRC he's only ~2/3 through researching them.
 
I'm afraid that it's not fair for QMs to confirm or deny that sort of thing OOC, so it would not be right for me to tell you that you are absolutely correct. It would also be completely unreasonable for me to suggest that the QMs have been wondering if anyone would pick up on this. And I really shouldn't say anything that might draw your attention to some of the things that Kagome said and suggest that perhaps they could relate to the current situation in some way.

Argh. As if the whole OPSEC fiasco wasn't tangled enough.

Can everyone just retire from being ninja now and maybe find a lifestyle where not everyone is patiently watching for the right moment to stab you in the back?
 
Argh. As if the whole OPSEC fiasco wasn't tangled enough.

Can everyone just retire from being ninja now and maybe find a lifestyle where not everyone is patiently watching for the right moment to stab you in the back?
I was gonna joke but it's kind of hard to disagree! Poor deathworlders.

e: Oh, also, welcome! Don't think I've seen you around before!
 
Argh. As if the whole OPSEC fiasco wasn't tangled enough.

Can everyone just retire from being ninja now and maybe find a lifestyle where not everyone is patiently watching for the right moment to stab you in the back?
Not without leaving Marked for Death, I'm afraid. BTW, how do we know that Kagome, Keiko, Noburi, Jiraiya, Akane, and Mari-sensei are still themselves? That is, maybe one or more of them have been killed and replaced by a henged enemy agent? Or simply lupchanzed, if those exist? Consider this question repeated every five minutes for the rest of the quest, because it never goes away.
 
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Not without leaving Marked for Death, I'm afraid. BTW, how do we know that Kagome, Keiko, Noburi, Jiraiya, Akane, and Mari-sensei are still themselves? That is, maybe one or more of them have been killed and replaced by a henged enemy agent? Or simply lupchanzed, if those exist? Consider this question repeated every five minutes for the rest of the quest, because it never goes away.
@OliWhail, @Velorien, maybe you guys were right. Maybe two factor authentication would be better than passwords.
 
Ok, in order to deal with the unacceptable and mind-breaking risk that anyone around us might at any time be a disguised enemy agent that has already killed our friends, I'm going to propose a new plan, Plan Security.

  • Stockpile as many explosive seals as humanly possible. Thousands, minimum
  • Go missing-nin alone
  • Find some forest or other lonely and overlooked spot somewhere to hole up forever
  • Done
[X] Plan Security
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@OliWhail, @Velorien, maybe you guys were right. Maybe two factor authentication would be better than passwords.

Or you could just stop using such obvious passwords. "TheApostleabandons_Hispath" doesn't even have any numbers in it! Throw a 123 on the end, might stop us from getting it on our second guess.

Oh, and having the answers to your security questions be unrelated haikus translated into Russian will only get you so far, especially if there is a mathematical relationship between the expected answer and the base Haiku.

Ok, in order to deal with the unacceptable and mind-breaking risk that anyone around us might at any time be a disguised enemy agent that has already killed our friends, I'm going to propose a new plan, Plan Security.

  • Stockpile as many explosive seals as humanly possible. Thousands, minimum
  • Go missing-nin alone
  • Find some forest or other lonely and overlooked spot somewhere to hole up forever
  • Done
[X] Plan Security

It really does help explain Kagome's mindset, doesn't it.
You're not really paranoid if everyone really is The Sage masquerading as Orochimaru pretending to be Zabuza in disguise.
 
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If she is this skilled, there really isn't anything we can do about it. If she can fool Jiraiya and all of Leaf for years, it can be taken as given that she won't slip up here, and if she's as strong as you expect then the only way we get confirmation she's a traitor is if she decides to reveal it to us, at which point the situation will be firmly in her control and there'd be no way for us to beat her. If we don't have full confirmation that she's a traitor, then acting as if she is is too costly (like, killbox-costly) so we have no choice but to behave as if she's loyal unless she reveals that she's a traitor, at which point we'd have already lost.

The idea that she's the Perfect candidate for this mission is a bit odd, to me. She's a clan ninja, of a clan derived from one of the most prestigious clans in the village, and her relationship with the Nara didn't sound like overly serious. Given that there are likely going to be a good amount of young single Nara at any given time, most of which aren't in as important stations as clan heir or things like that, it shouldn't come as a surprise that the rest are allowed to pursue romance within at least the other clans. It really shouldn't be a surprise that most Leaf-nin take the Will of Fire to heart because they all go through the Academy, which I assume makes sure to stress its importance. I also got the picture that, while Minami has some experience at team leadership (which need not be from leading genin, it could just be leading the group of chuunin that have been sent on the mission), it isn't extensive, but more what you'd expect from someone who's been a chuunin for a couple years.

She is more well suited to this mission than the average Leaf-nin, but she was selected by Jiraiya out of all of Konoha, so it shouldn't be a surprise at all that she's the right pick for the job. It's possible that she's been deep undercover this whole time, but there's no real reason to believe that, and if it's true there isn't anything we can do about it anyways. Personally, I'm more concerned that Kagome's right about Sand's beer being laced with mind control drugs and we'll have to deal with that, but the odds of Sand doing that to an envoy from Leaf seem small to me.

The problem i see in your reasoning, is that an incredibly good spy would have neccesarily had to fool Jiraya, AND be really powerfull. . . But the thing is, If she's a spy, from a clan, non-the-less, It means the clan also is made out of spies, otherwise she wouldn't have the possibility to shuffle into the Village. At that point, she'd be regarded as a Leaf ninja, and Jiraya would have no reason to suspect a highly efficient ninja to be a >25 years old Spy master, making his 'Perception' rolls and 'Deceive' rolls and the like much weaker, since he regards her as an Ally. Besides, im pretty sure he wouldn't straight out pick out a random chunin for him to keep tabs on, and help to lead the mission with people that gave the most powerfull( from war perspective) seal that he saw. That means he'd have her looked on by Anbu, not himself. And we know very well he trusts his direct left n' right hand to do stuff well, But that also means that the 'Spy Checking' will be on a lower grade than if he did it himself for a lenghty time.

And your first sentences baffle me a little. 'She's a Clan ninja, of a clan derived from one of the most prestigious clans in the village'. Uhh - #Perfect? No Affiliations with a clan that might want to pull him down and no danger of getting valuable information to that clan? 'and her relationship with the Nara didn't sound like overly serious.' . . . Should i point out how tactical and wise Nara are? Like, Seriously. I bet he checked her on many accounts and investigated her, No matter his position in the clan, and he didn't find anything condemning enough to not begin this relationship. Everything with Nara Is Serious. They plan things for years to come, for Crying out loud.

What you said pretty much makes it even more likely that she's too perfect. Especially since she has experience in leading NINJA. It's a Vastly different level of work, mind you. In our terms - Mistake means punishment. In Their terms - Mistake means death. Take that up for thinking. And yeah, Will of Fire might be because they all go through the Academy, But she uses it as a law. Not like i'd think you'd use it - To get on someones consciousness about what wicked things he does, and attempt to return him on the right path. Definitely not use it as a law. ESPECIALLY outside the village.

Furthermore, She doesn't neccesairly have to be impossibly powerfull. I Need to remind you - We have a jounin on a team - Kagome. And we have number adventage. Survivalence can easily give us enough information to confirm or deny her being a Spy, Letting us either Have a surprise attack with boom-boom's OR have peace of mind while going to sleep. And - Noburi can drain her of her chakra, to check if she's under a Henge, But im pretty sure what she'd be using wouldn't be so obvious. Another thing - We never checked her Chakra levels. And Noburi can do that.

The more people try to push me out of the 'She's a spy' mindset, the more i sink into it. . . This is Bad.

Anyway, She seems like she played us like she wants. Minami used our conciousness, as we feel like evil doers, to restrict our reasons to do survivalence on her, Pushed Will of Fire to make us think of her like the personification of an ideal loyal Leaf ninja, for whom words of the Hokage, and his will are of completely 100% utmost importance, Even over her Clan, AND managed to make both of the most paranoic yet cautious ninja in the team to feel like they wronged her on a completely different level, AND made it so that the rest of the team would dissregard our direct accusations, saying that we are paranoic (Kagome Case), or say that we are too Harsh for Minami, and that we shouldn't make her even more doubtfull of our alliegance and how safe she feels.

In Short - She made it so that Kagome's accusation, if he gets enough courage, will be outright dismissed, and Hazou's attempt on setting up a survivalence on her ending up in scorn and more anger directed by Noburi and Keiko towards us.

Oh, and about her being capable of killing us in sleep - She might easily deem us as usefull rescources for the same reason Jiraya took us in as his kids. We are hell'a attractive, since we can create Skywalkers, have many sick technological stuff, have 2 Sealmasters on the team, and almost everyone on the team has a bloodline. And she has stuff she can use to extort and use us. Mom, im Scared.

Anyone? Please tell me it's not only me that sees it.
 
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[probably AU] Interlude: Endangering Arito
Interlude: Endangering Arito

Knock. "Headmistress?" Knock, knock. "Are you free, Headmistress?" Knock, knock, knock.

Jin put her brush down with a sigh. There was only one reason Furuta would be knocking on her door right now. "Come in. What did he do now?"

"The little cheater figured out the locking seal on the teacher's cabinet. Got in and dug out tomorrow's exam. We need to—"

Jin raised an eyebrow. "No he didn't."

"Yes, Headmistress, he did. I saw him coming out of the teacher's lounge myself, and when I looked in the cabinet the exam had been moved in the stack."

"There is no way that that boy needed to see the exam questions ahead of time. You know that, I know that, and he knows that. He was up to something else."

Furuta paused, his fussing derailed. "I don't see what...none of the other cabinets were disturbed, so he wasn't after any of the advanced instruction manuals. That one is just the introductory course materials—exams, assignments, labs, that sort of thing." He thought a bit longer. "I'll check. Regardless, this is the third time this month he's acted out like this. We can't have this. He needs to be—"

Jin rubbed her face tiredly, reminding herself that Furuta was a brilliant sealmaster and an excellent teacher with a perfect safety record and the school was very lucky to have him, even if he was a stuck-up egotistical snot who carried grudges to the ends of the earth. "Furuta, the locking seals on those cabinets are simple exactly because we want to see who will have the initiative to break them. Now go figure out what he actually did."

Furuta's face imploded into disapproval. "Yes, Headmistress."

o-o-o-o​

Done, Jin thought, setting her brush down in satisfaction. Clean desk, no more paperwork, and still time for six hours sleep before the next batch came in. Best of all, Furuta hadn't been back to whine at her about—

Knock knock knock knock knock. "Headmistress! Headmistress! Are you there, Headmistress?!"

Oh, look. Think the demon's name and he shall appear.

"Come in, Furuta." She composed herself carefully, hands clasped patiently on the desk and face composed in neutral stillness that completely masked how much she wanted to throttle the vengeful little weasel. She had been this close to bed!

Furuta stomped in, one hand waving a fistful of papers and the other clamped around the wrist of a ten-year-old boy with messy black hair and the decidely rumpled look of someone who had been dragged awake minutes earlier.

Furuta was too agitated even to sit. He shoved the boy into a chair, dropped a stack of loose papers on Jin's desk, and paced up and down while gesticulating wildly. "Look at this! This is an Article Seven violation! This little beast is a menace, and he has no respect for the art!"

Jin picked up the papers and sorted through them. "What am I looking at?"

"Mentor assignments! The brat changed the mentors!"

Jin went back through, carefully crossreferencing names to figure out what had Furuta so worked up. "I'm not seeing it. Every team has a mentor, the projects are all still the same...." She frowned. "Hang on, Arito was assigned to mentor the senior team?" She barely caught herself from saying 'He doesn't have the skills for that'; one did not criticize teachers in front of students, after all. Still, the senior team was doing a containment project and there was no way that Arito should be allowed within a mile of that.

"I know! This is a clear-cut violation of Article Seven: Deliberate Endangerment. The little beast is a third-form student so he's too advanced to be simply expelled. We'll need to execute him, and I'm thinking—"

"Hold on a moment, if you please." She turned to the slouched ten-year-old who was the subject of the debate. Despite the fact that one of his teachers was stomping around yelling about executing him, Kagome looked more sullen than afraid.

"Kagome, did you switch Arito-sensei's assignment?"

"Of course he did! He obviously wanted Arito dead, so—"

"Furuta. A moment, if you please," Jin said, a hint of steel in her tone. "I was speaking to Kagome. Young man, did you switch the assignments?"

"Yeah."

"I see. Why?"

"Stinkyhead's a dummy. Suzuki-sensei is much better."

Jin frowned. Undiplomatic, but completely accurate. There were never enough sealmasters, much less sealmasters willing to teach; the school couldn't afford to turn anyone away if they were remotely competent, but Arito was right on the cusp. "Kagome...Arito-sensei was never your teacher. How do you even know what he's like?"

"Saw him at lunch, bragging to some seniors about how he had connected a ninth-dimensional inverter directly to a Fumiwara matrix because it was easier than using a bisection for chakra suppression. 'Just as good', he said. Stinking idiot."

Jin frowned. It was...probably true that hooking an inverter to a Fumiwara would be sufficient, but it definitely wasn't as stable as a full bisection. That was remarkably advanced theory for a third-year to understand. More importantly, if Arito really had been skimping on safety precautions....

"Kagome, why didn't you bring this to the attention of one of the teachers?"

Kagome glared at her through his hair. "Like they'd listen to me? 'No need to worry, Kagome.' 'Three redirections is enough, Kagome.' 'Two hundred feet is far enough, Kagome.' Stinking idiots."

Jin raised an inquiring eyebrow at Furuta. The fussy little man waved dismissively. "The boy is ridiculously paranoid, Headmistress. He disrupts class constantly, always demanding more—"

"Oh yeah?! It wasn't my team that got turned inside out last year, was it, poopface?!"

"Kagome! You will show respect for Furuta-sensei!"

The boy folded his arms and sank down farther in his seat. "Don't see why. His face was full of poop. Probably got into his brain, too."

Jin forced herself not to smile. The incident had been a tragedy and it was only Furuta's quick thinking that had prevented it from being a disaster when the inversion nexus started growing. Still, once the furor had died down it had been pretty funny to see Furuta cursing up a storm while flapping his arms in rage; being covered in the contents of a rapidly-inverted intestine would have upset anyone, but the fussy and fastidious teacher had been outright apoplectic.

"Kagome," she said, letting ice creep into her tone, "you will be respectful of your teachers. Apologize."

The boy tried to match her stare and couldn't. He flicked a still-sullen glance at Furuta, then looked down again. "Sorry I said the poop got in your brain," he mumbled.

"Headmistress—!"

Jin held up a hand to cut him off. "Kagome, your attitude is not acceptable. We will deal with that in a minute, however. I still want to know why you endangered Arito-sensei."

For the first time, Kagome's sullen expression broke; it was replaced by a confused frown. "Huh?"

"You said that you thought Arito-sensei was a 'stinking idiot', but you assigned him to the senior team. The senior team's project is dangerous; if you thought that Arito-sensei wasn't sufficiently careful, why did you assign him there?"

Baffled shrug. "That was where Suzuki-sensei was."

Jin blinked. Something was really not adding up here. "What did Suzuki-sensei have to do with this?"

"She's good. Duh."

Well, that was true enough. As far as Jin was concerned, Suzuki was a gift straight from the kami. In ten years, not a single student had died on Suzuki's watch and there had been remarkably few maimings. Not even one breach to the Out, either.

Hang on. Kagome wasn't saying that he'd assigned Arito to the senior team, he was saying that he'd switched Arito for Suzuki. Why? Arito hadn't been Kagome's team mentor.

"Why would you switch them, Kagome?"

The boy squirmed uncomfortably. "Hoga's in second year," he mumbled.

A picture of a fat boy with an earnest face and mediocre skills flickered through Jin's mind. "How does Hoga fit into this, Kagome?"

"Stinkyhead was supposed to be Hoga's team mentor," Kagome mumbled. "Hoga's nice. Gave me half his sandwich when Taira threw my lunch in the muckheap."

Jin shook her head; she wasn't sure if she was amused, appalled, or something completely else. Still, one thing was clear: this had not been an Article Seven. Kagome had been trying to keep Hoga safe, not endanger Arito. Sure, his actions could theoretically have gotten Arito and the senior team killed, but in practice there were plenty of other safeguards in place. Among them the fact that Headmistress Jin would have noticed the assignment and changed it the moment the first design proposal was submitted for review.

"All right, I've heard enough," she said. "Kagome, you do not seem to understand what you've done. Allow me to explain a few things to you...."



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EDIT: This update was extremely rushed and it has been pointed out in the comments that I was sloppy with a number of things, including a few that weren't noticed yet. I'm working and/or moving for the next few days so I won't have time to fix it before Sunday and then I'll be busy writing the next update. Let's say it's probably an AU and not necessarily part of MfD canon.
 
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... @eaglejarl did we ask for a Lore Update or are we just gonna need a better plan?

edit: derp I fail reading comp
 
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Aww...

Kagome was so adorable as a kid!

And he already was that paranoid, too. This interlude destroys every theory I had about his past, bit I love it anyway.
 
If she's a spy, from a clan, non-the-less, It means the clan also is made out of spies

We've now moved from an individual spy, which we give a low prior to (since we believe, with high probability, that the vast majority of Leaf-nin aren't spies, because otherwise Leaf would have fallen) to an entire clan full of spies, which we should have an absolutely miniscule prior for.


making his 'Perception' rolls and 'Deceive' rolls and the like much weaker, since he regards her as an Ally. Besides, im pretty sure he wouldn't straight out pick out a random chunin for him to keep tabs on, and help to lead the mission with people that gave the most powerfull( from war perspective) seal that he saw. That means he'd have her looked on by Anbu, not himself. And we know very well he trusts his direct left n' right hand to do stuff well, But that also means that the 'Spy Checking' will be on a lower grade than if he did it himself for a lenghty time.

I see two cases here. Case 1: Jiraiya trusts Minami because he vetted her himself, in which case the vetting wouldn't have happened with weakened perception rolls. Case 2: Jiraiya farmed out the vetting to someone he trusted, who very plausibly can roll perception as high as Jiraiya (because specialization), and would similarly not trust her until after the vetting.

Not a plausible case: Jiraiya vetting Minami with weakened rolls, then farmed it out to ANBU, which we can't trust because they aren't Jiraiya-level.

I bet he checked her on many accounts and investigated her, No matter his position in the clan, and he didn't find anything condemning enough to not begin this relationship.

Thus, by Conservation of Expected Evidence, the Nara finding something sufficiently condemning is evidence of her not being a spy.

(Do we have independent confirmation of her having dated a Nara. If not, that would be evidence of her spyhood.)

The more people try to push me out of the 'She's a spy' mindset, the more i sink into it

By conservation of expected evidence implies, then, that people agreeing with you should make you less confident.
 
We've now moved from an individual spy, which we give a low prior to (since we believe, with high probability, that the vast majority of Leaf-nin aren't spies, because otherwise Leaf would have fallen) to an entire clan full of spies, which we should have an absolutely miniscule prior for.




I see two cases here. Case 1: Jiraiya trusts Minami because he vetted her himself, in which case the vetting wouldn't have happened with weakened perception rolls. Case 2: Jiraiya farmed out the vetting to someone he trusted, who very plausibly can roll perception as high as Jiraiya (because specialization), and would similarly not trust her until after the vetting.

Not a plausible case: Jiraiya vetting Minami with weakened rolls, then farmed it out to ANBU, which we can't trust because they aren't Jiraiya-level.



Thus, by Conservation of Expected Evidence, the Nara finding something sufficiently condemning is evidence of her not being a spy.

(Do we have independent confirmation of her having dated a Nara. If not, that would be evidence of her spyhood.)



By conservation of expected evidence implies, then, that people agreeing with you should make you less confident.

Well, Now im kinda less scared. Im still inclined to suspect her being a Spy. we kinda ARE giving her our trust not based on our own experince, but on how others react to her. And, Jiraya might've made a misconception, As he might've thought that sending a potential spy with us would be better than leaving such one in the village at this unstable level.
Something like 'Well, IF she's a spy, and gets precious information out of the village in this moment, it might easily lead to its destruction . . . And Hazou seems to at last have learnt OPSEC. . . And They have that paranoid Kagome. Nothing can go wrong there!', And he might've made a slip-up due to being under deep stress.

Still, Happy to get my worries slightly lowered. Though i'd still put her under our constant look-out. We shouldn't trust her by connections, but by our own experience.

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Yes, i realise there are many might-s, maybe-s, believe-s, and possible-s, And me expecting her to be a spy and trying to prove it might be me being too paranoid and biased, But i think that expecting the worst and getting ready for it is far better than not anticipating it and getting kicked in the weak spot. It IS MFD for a reason.
 
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Kagomes hair is brown.
The kids is black.

I notice this despite having a needle jabbed into my arm many many times a minute.
 
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Oh my god Kagome is absolutely adorable.

e: Also also: Anyone else notice how his childhood kind of mirrored Hazou's? Hazou was disliked by the academy for being too clever for his own good too :p
 
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