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Chakra acid.
Marked for Death: A Rational Naruto Quest
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- naruto rationalist romance armageddon is looking better and better damn you kishimoto explosions everywhere explosives solve everyone if in doubt surrender to the mercy of zabuza it seemed like a good idea at the time looks like a really bad case of being a jōnin my god. where does the lore end? precommitting is the winning plan screaming in kagome screw the rules i have explosives something bad might still happen sometimes you gotta sociopath stabby zabby subsection c of paragraph 9 should include we can weaponize this so hard
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There are acids aggressive enough to do it. They would also burst into flame on contact with the atmosphere, in regular physics. Assume the afterlife does not have entirely regular physics.
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Perhaps it was actually a lake of superheated caustic soda (sodium hydroxide) operating under extreme conditions. That's pretty effective at breaking down organic material (through an interesting process called "saponification" where fats become soap a proteins digest into a slurry). In RL body farms this takes hours to fully dissolve someone, but they operate under realistic conditions. Conditions we can suspend in the Pure Lands. Have it be just below boiling and it would break someone down in only a few minutes.
That's still not seconds tho. So let's say there's a magical aspect of the lake that makes the reaction occur uniformly across the body rather than being constrained by surface area or diffusion rates. That would really speed things up! Of course, if you're letting physics fuckery happen then there's a much simpler solution available; the soda is incredibly hot, hot enough that it should have long since boiled.
And it would be brutal too. It would bubble, hiss, and emit noxious fumes as the Daizen's body rapidly saponifies, leaving behind only a greasy, gelatinous residue and dissolved bone fragments, only to fall in again to start the process over and over again, trapped in a fate that would leave Grey Boy impressed.
(Just thought I'd throw my two cents in for a possible explanation, @eaglejarl @Velorien @Paperclipped.)
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Out-there take that I don't particularly endorse: Isn't there a dilution problem with irl acids? In that, once a standard acid reacts with something, it stops being an acid, and as liquids have boundary conditions this greatly limits acidity in the vicinity of the surface being dissolved. If you imagine the liquid was a mundane boiling acid, but the state-resetting mechanism inherent to the path instantly cleared out all the dissolved human and reset the acid's temperature and clarity, I assume you'd get a much faster reaction. I could certainly not tell you how fast, however.
But also it's probably just magic.
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That would qualify as 'magic', yes.
Name one? I don't think the superacids would really help here - conc. sulfuric acid is already enough to protonate pretty much everything protonatable, increasing the pKa doesn't help much in that regard since the limiting factor would be nucleophile availability. (I suppose the superacids might start protonating weird sites like alkenes, but I don't think that would actually help very much.) You'd need some other functionality, like the dehydrating effect of conc. sulfuric or the oxidative effect of piranha solution, and I don't think either of those would be enough. (Also, the afterlife not having entirely regular physics qualifies as the lake being magic.)
Alkalis are better than acids at breaking down organic material, true - but there's a significant difference between "minutes" and "seconds", and the magical properties you cite are magic. If a lake somehow distributes a caustic agent throughout someone's body instantaneously, that qualifies it as being a magic lake, even if the caustic agent itself is mundane - and if you're using magic as an explanation, you could use any number of other magical explanations.
I think this would require a fairly expansive definition of "dissolved"? The ECM is made up of a lot of very long polymers (hyaluronic acids, collagens, fibrillins, elastins, etc.) which all require pretty extensive degradation in order to actually become soluble. (Also, are you referring to a specific state-resetting mechanism? We've only seen that happen all at once at the point of death, not in bits as the body becomes more damaged.)
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Yeah, I edited my post to include a much simpler one.
I don't mind magic being involved, but I don't like it when something happens automagically. I want the magic to be doing something specific that changes the conditions of the actual natural phenomenon in a way we can model.
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I'm not sure this is a good idea. We were hilariously overpowered at the Rift and in Leaf we'll have all the chakra in the world at our fingertips.
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What do Orochimaru and Tsunade think of having Oro move the Rift a bit and then joining us to secure Leaf in case there's an Akatsuki pair present?
I absolutely agree that magic should have a mechanism - but why should it be based on a natural phenomenon at all? Why can't it just delete matter it comes into contact with, or instantly dissolve all electromagnetic interactions?
Or better yet - what if it actually only dissolves chakra constructs? One hypothesis for why people's bodies vanish when they die in the afterlife but not when they die on the Human Path would be that the "body" you get in the Rift is actually a chakra construct, which simply dissipates once it's no longer maintained by e.g. your soul (which we have some reason to think exists, given that the Rift works at all); after you come back, maybe your body could be gradually replaced by real matter as you eat food and it integrates into you. It might just be normal water for meat-people.
Point being, we can test these things. We'll presumably encounter the afterlife ocean again at some point even if it isn't there when the rift opens in Leaf, and we'll have the chance to do experiments on it and see what properties it does and doesn't have. Until then, I don't think there's much point in speculating about which of the many magical mechanisms it could be when we have no way to distinguish between our hypotheses.
We were hilariously overpowered for dogpiling the one weakest Akatsuki.
Here, we're probably going up against Konan+Kisame or Konan+Itachi, which is a much more serious fight.
And Oro is probably our best hope for a Konan counter. We don't have one, and Naruto/Tsunade probably don't either.
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"Makes it act faster" done
Assuming they're still in Leaf. This is days of progress moving the Rift wasted on the chance she is and on the chance Orochimaru can help.
I am pretty unsure this is a good idea. I want him moving the Rift ASAP
It's likely that the main action will go down before the Oro can get the rift to Leaf, let alone before we can exploit it as a resource. (Assuming he even brings it to Leaf at all)
A few days slower on the rift is worth it if it secures us Oro and Manda onhand during the critical period of massive S-rank battles. Fishing Jaraiya out in 2 months Vs 2 months and 6 days isn't a big deal.
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[deep sadness]
Not if Akatsuki slips the net somehow, locks down O'uzu and prevents Orochimaru from fetching the Rift for the duration of the standoff.
I think it's not worth it
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And a second one - any of them - might well have been deadly.
We didn't have anything to defend, we had a massive alpha strike which we may or may not be able to replicate, and we deployed a bunch of unknown and arcane capabilities.
There's no kill like overkill.
We snuck forty people to within a mile of their secure facility. Oro's an S-ranker with a stealth artifact, he can get to a location 20 or 40 miles away from a probably-unguarded crater in the ground.
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To be clear (I am not faflec), the rift only shrinks when someone exits? So no one risks getting trapped on the wrong side?
Missing semicolon between "capabilities" and "same"?
This can easily be mitigated just by moving the rift further away than they can feasibly lock down, just not all the way to Leaf. And, if they do stall Orochimaru for long enough for it to matter, it's possible that Hazou can research the rift-mover runes and take over.
They weren't expecting us and it was still rolled. If we had missed that roll we probably all would have died to a runic failure. This is not something we can depend on.
Just stop going back in when it gets small
Yes, thank you
Yeah 20 miles is just too little. It needs to be off O'uzu.
I am not opposed to this but it trades off promptly assaulting Leaf.
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It was in the spirit of making up falsifiable hypotheses. My actual modal hypotheses are 1. it's magic, 2. MfD physics just be like that.
They had sentries, cleared the approaches, built a sealing fortress, and an S-rank airborne spotter. Don't know that they could have done much more to be prepared.
I think you're dramatically overestimateing the feasibility of locking down a huge area against a ninja, especially when they have no reason to believe anything of value is present, and urgently need their resources over at Leaf.
But that's fine! There's a little island 40 miles south of O'uzu that where we can burry the rift, no problem! Does that work for you?
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All according to Orochimaru's Plan I guess.
He makes Leaf and Akatsuki fight each other and screws of with the Rift becoming the God of the New World. New wonder he killed "the boy". He can just grab Kabuto gain.
Oro was off last time, who knows exactly why.
But more serious, as long as they haven't gotten news from O'zou they will likely retreat, it just means we can't just kill another one of them.
He makes Leaf and Akatsuki fight each other and screws of with the Rift becoming the God of the New World. New wonder he killed "the boy". He can just grab Kabuto gain.
Oro was off last time, who knows exactly why.
But more serious, as long as they haven't gotten news from O'zou they will likely retreat, it just means we can't just kill another one of them.
Those guesses we based on Sasori being a bad fit for an infiltration mission(no chance to research, defensive entrenchment don't mix with staying low-profile in a city, and he'd have a has a bunch of puppets that take up space and compromise stealth.), and assuming Itachi and Kisame won't be paired at a time when Akatsuki really need good communications.
Thus Force Dome and Iron Earth. They're trapped inside with us.
I'm not doing it until we hear from the QMs, I continue to think it's a bad tradeoff 🤷♂️