Marked for Death: A Rational Naruto Quest
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- naruto rationalist romance armageddon is looking better and better damn you kishimoto explosions everywhere explosives solve everyone if in doubt surrender to the mercy of zabuza it seemed like a good idea at the time looks like a really bad case of being a jōnin my god. where does the lore end? precommitting is the winning plan screaming in kagome screw the rules i have explosives something bad might still happen sometimes you gotta sociopath stabby zabby subsection c of paragraph 9 should include we can weaponize this so hard
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By default, I believe voting is left open from the previous chapter once an interlude happens.
I do not think there is much interest in a different plan, but that is my current understanding of policy.
Rift Maker
Seal
Opens a small (~15cm) rift to a random location. Intended to be used to make conveniently located but small, quickly closing rifts to practice Rift Runes on.
Seal
Opens a small (~15cm) rift to a random location. Intended to be used to make conveniently located but small, quickly closing rifts to practice Rift Runes on.
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- The Maple Syrup Mountains
My understanding is that EJ saying "By default" here was meant to communicate "this is what I am choosing to do in the current circumstances" and not "this is what I think the protocol is". I took it, personally, as a statement that any such default was being overridden for this cycle.
Of course, if you're saying this as a complicated way of voicing that you'd prefer to make more changes to the plan, that's valid, but I don't think this was a situation where EJ was being factually mistaken about anything and in need of correction.
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Sounds dangerous. Also, wouldn't it be easier as a rune?
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- The Maple Syrup Mountains
Null Rift
Rune
Opens a rift. This design attempts to avoid the targeting problem by identifying a trivial solution: the rift points to itself, and goes nowhere. Nonetheless, it is still a rift that other seals or runes could interact with.
Rune
Opens a rift. This design attempts to avoid the targeting problem by identifying a trivial solution: the rift points to itself, and goes nowhere. Nonetheless, it is still a rift that other seals or runes could interact with.
Runes tend to be pretty big, I want something smaller. Also I think we need a consensus on this Rift Rune thing. So..... strawpoll time
[X] I want to return to Leaf once we meet Naruto's requirements regardless of Rift Runes
[X] I want to go to Iron in 3 months and research Rift Runes
[X] I want to develop our own capability to create rifts to research Rift Runes sooner than that
[X] I want to gather intel on other rift scars and search for them in the wider world. Jiraiya's info broker contact on the Eastern Continent was suggested. Note: this will cut into research time a lot unless we split the party.
[X] Write-in
This is a better idea by far than randomly targeting a Rift. I hope it works
Noumero
Omit Needless Words
Do we need to have a rift scar on-hand in order to research rift-moving runes? We've taken a lot of readings of the afterlife rift scar, so presumably we have a solid understanding of what it is and how to interface with it. Kagome's chain of rift seals, for example, didn't require us to test each prototype on a rift scar.
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I interpreted it as the opposite, and wanted to give him a friendly reminder about the recent rule change.
Ouch. No, I am not doing that.
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- Book Fort
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- They/Them
[X] I want to return to Leaf once we meet Naruto's requirements regardless of Rift Runes
[X] I want to go to Iron in 3 months and research Rift Runes
[X] I want to develop our own capability to create rifts to research Rift Runes sooner than that
[X] I want to go to Iron in 3 months and research Rift Runes
[X] I want to develop our own capability to create rifts to research Rift Runes sooner than that
[X] I want to return to Leaf once we meet Naruto's requirements regardless of Rift Runes
Oro has rift runes in hand, so unless he dies in the battle (which is very unlikely) we should be good; I think he's not likely to betray us with the rest of whatever strike team we assemble breathing down his neck. Meanwhile, every extra month we spend might be the month Naruto gives up on us and attacks the Rift on his own.
A couple of write-ins that better express my views:
[X] I want to return to Leaf once we can prevent Akatsuki from opening the Rift (other than by closing it) and shield Leaf from the retaliatory strike, regardless of Rift Runes.
[X] I want to find a way to keep tabs on how things are going in Leaf.
Oro has rift runes in hand, so unless he dies in the battle (which is very unlikely) we should be good; I think he's not likely to betray us with the rest of whatever strike team we assemble breathing down his neck. Meanwhile, every extra month we spend might be the month Naruto gives up on us and attacks the Rift on his own.
A couple of write-ins that better express my views:
[X] I want to return to Leaf once we can prevent Akatsuki from opening the Rift (other than by closing it) and shield Leaf from the retaliatory strike, regardless of Rift Runes.
- Specifically, I want us to be able to:
- Assault the rift site with Sasori and up to one other non-Konan Akatsuki member present, killing both of them.
- Retreat to Leaf (with or without the Rift in tow) and shield Leaf from the retaliatory strike long enough to either resurrect our allies or otherwise neutralize the remainder of Akatsuki.
[X] I want to find a way to keep tabs on how things are going in Leaf.
- Because there's a lot of stuff that isn't strictly necessary but would still boost our chances to have, and if it's safe to spend time researching that stuff, I think doing it would be a good idea. Going through Orochimaru might be a decent plan, if we can get a message to him on the Seventh Path. Alternatively, we could see if runes can get around the chakra diffusion problem enough to do remote viewing at long distances.
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- United States
[X] I want to return to Leaf once we meet Naruto's requirements regardless of Rift Runes
Given our current lack of information about what is going on, I think our best course is to finish Force Domes, develop something to fix its tunneling problem, research a few weapons, and then high-tail it back to Konoha.
Even setting aside our runic weaponry, the return of our team enables Konoha to:
Given our current lack of information about what is going on, I think our best course is to finish Force Domes, develop something to fix its tunneling problem, research a few weapons, and then high-tail it back to Konoha.
Even setting aside our runic weaponry, the return of our team enables Konoha to:
- Deploy a mass Sannin Shadow Clone army.
- Utilize the Slug and Snake Bosses during a rift assault without impairing the Sannin's combat ability.
- Utilize Cannai, the Dog Boss, on a rift assault or in defense of the village.
- (Potentially) Utilize the Toad Sages and Toad Boss against Konan, who they want revenge on.
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- The Maple Syrup Mountains
[X] I want to develop our own capability to create rifts to research Rift Runes sooner than that
Follows from my Null Rift idea. If Null Rift (and other create-a-rift ideas) proves unviable, I would not support seeking out existing rifts.
[X] I want to find a way to keep tabs on how things are going in Leaf.
Separately, this is just common sense, if it's within our means to accomplish. I think it is within our means to accomplish, and I hope to raise the topic to the team soon.
But if that fails...
[X] I want to return to Leaf once we meet Naruto's requirements regardless of Rift Runes
This has been my most controversial position about this mission, but I'm still of the opinion that if we're flying blind deadline-wise then we cannot afford to spend more time than we have to. Don't get me wrong, I very much want to set up our intel route and take as much time as we can, this is just my position in worlds where we can't do that.
Follows from my Null Rift idea. If Null Rift (and other create-a-rift ideas) proves unviable, I would not support seeking out existing rifts.
[X] I want to find a way to keep tabs on how things are going in Leaf.
Separately, this is just common sense, if it's within our means to accomplish. I think it is within our means to accomplish, and I hope to raise the topic to the team soon.
But if that fails...
[X] I want to return to Leaf once we meet Naruto's requirements regardless of Rift Runes
This has been my most controversial position about this mission, but I'm still of the opinion that if we're flying blind deadline-wise then we cannot afford to spend more time than we have to. Don't get me wrong, I very much want to set up our intel route and take as much time as we can, this is just my position in worlds where we can't do that.
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- United States
Oh, it also enables a bunch of Mari SCs to swarm the Rift Site alongside the Sannin Shadow Clone Army and Konoha jōnin forces. She is an amazing support fighter.
And now that I think about it some more, it probably also lets us field the Monkey, Porcupine, and Turtle Bosses as well. Noburi's Overdraw mechanic isn't something only Hazō can use to summon a Boss.
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- Texas
Who do you think the strongest ninja in Leaf are? In order, I think it goes something like
- Tsunade
- Orochimaru
- Naruto
- Mari
- Kabuto?
- Choza?
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- United States
If you were talking as a single combatant you had to fight, it's probably something like:
- Tsunade
- Orochimaru
- Naruto
- Choza(?)
- Mari(?)
- Kabuto/Ruri/Kurenai(?)
Mind you, her being support-based actually makes her more value than Chōza to have as a team-member if you're fighting a team of peer opponents.
With that said, the list is a little different if everyone gets access to prep-time and Noburi to refill them. Mari, who has Shadow Clone and the resolve to make dozens of copies, absolutely dominates over Chōza in that scenario.
You'd get something like this:
- Tsunade
- Orochimaru
- Naruto
- Mari
- (Everyone that can have a boss summoned in advance)
- Chōza
- Kabuto(?)
- (Maybe Yuno???)
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- Washington, USA
Nature of the problem, and Oro's skillset, are such that even if he does die in battle, there's a non-negligible chance he'd just walk it off and open the rift from the other side. I mean, is there anybody you can think of who'd be more likely to have thought of some trick for bundling up enough chakra to shape and infuse a rune, and holding on to it through the veil of death? This is the guy who thought to himself "it sure is inconvenient and potentially dangerous to end up unconscious while my brain is being completely regrown, I should figure out a patch for that."
Question - Noburi would presumably be back in Leaf during this, so as to draw from Leaf's ninja population and relay chakra via the Seventh Path. How does Mari get the chakra to make the SCs, since she's not a summoner? (I think the rift site is more than twelve hours' travel from Leaf.)
Problem is that Oro only found out about the Rift a few months ago. Without the opportunity to study how the chakra drain works, he'd have no guarantee at all that his trick would work, and he hasn't had that much time to work on it - and for all we know the afterlife would drain chakra away from the rune as you infuse it; it drains infused seals. It's certainly possible, but I wouldn't hold my breath.
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Oro seems to have been doing a lot of massively parallel shadow clone research during that time. General knowledge about base mechanics of what chakra is, how death works, etc. would probably also be relevant. Certainly not saying we should bet the farm on that outcome, just noting that it wouldn't be much of a surprise if it happened to work out.
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For an offensive assault on the Rift, Mari would create the (admittedly much more limited number of) clones before going. Even a single clone or two can help a lot.
For a defensive battle, Mari creates clones and refills as normal.
But man, the things we could do with even a single additional Wakahisa….
We'd be able to refill entire parties with the entire village's worth of chakra so long as they had a single summoner in their group. Noburi takes a massive glop of chakra from the local village ninja, goes to the Seventh Path where he meets and fills a summoner who was in the field, the summoner returns back to his party, then the Wakahisa in the field distributes that chakra to the other people in the field team, with the field summoner returning as often as it takes until everyone is full.
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