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Marked for Death: A Rational Naruto Quest

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Is there a particular reason we're using the Capacitor Rune over the jinchuriki seals? MS2 and MS3 intakes "huge amounts" of environmental chakra and keeps it there for at least a few moments; is the (presumably-)increased capacity of the Capacitor Rune that much more valuable that we need to spend 12 hours + all of Hazou's chakra to make one?
 
So if they're just Preta Path Otter-gaki than we should just have Tenten and Kei handle shit with ranged weapons and all that maybe?

Like, in canon the Preta Path stuff just ate a bunch of ninjutsu whole. So if we just use standard ranged weapons while everyone else ran interference that might be a better idea actually?
 
faflec said:
Is there a particular reason we're using the Capacitor Rune over the jinchuriki seals? MS2 and MS3 intakes "huge amounts" of environmental chakra and keeps it there for at least a few moments; is the (presumably-)increased capacity of the Capacitor Rune that much more valuable that we need to spend 12 hours + all of Hazou's chakra to make one?
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These also work for me. @Sir Stompy should we just make a bunch of MS2 and MS3 seals and set a fuckload down in an area? Have the squad take potshots when they arrive, rinse and repeat?

It stops any dumb runic infusion problems from happening at least so I'd be down for trying it. Edited my plan accordingly.
 
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faflec said:
Huh. Then (@eaglejarl @Velorien @Paperclipped) did there appear to be any medium between the otters and Noburi? Like, was his chakra moving in a straight line through the air from Noburi to the otters? Did it travel through the ground to reach the otters?
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It seems to be the tendrils, which are invisible, seemingly intangible chakra voids. Which I think are limbs of the otters.

My guess is the "otters" are kinda like the pokemon tangela - they are surrounded by a bunch of "vines" that constantly suck in chakra, with a main body in the center(ish) of the writhing mass of tentacles. It's just the tentacles are invisible so we get to see what the body looks like.
 
Also, if we're going to be baiting the otters, might I suggest an underground approach? I'm not sure whether to send bait in underground as the distraction or have the main squad attack from underground, but it's a vector of attack we should consider.
 
faflec said:
Also, if we're going to be baiting the otters, might I suggest an underground approach? I'm not sure whether to send bait in underground as the distraction or have the main squad attack from underground, but it's a vector of attack we should consider.
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Underground may not be wise, because we do that via jutsu and as noted the otters seem to have a variable and changing area near their primary body that is a fluctuating chakra void.

Meaning the otters seem to be eating ambient chakra that gets too close and I really don't want to see if they can disrupt jutsu by eating it when it is keeping us alive
 
Byzantine said:
Underground may not be wise, because we do that via jutsu and as noted the otters seem to have a variable and changing area near their primary body that is a fluctuating chakra void.

Meaning the otters seem to be eating ambient chakra that gets too close and I really don't want to see if they can disrupt jutsu by eating it when it is keeping us alive
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I don't think they can disrupt chakra, since Noburi never reported his Water Whip becoming disrupted even when he was drained (I presume this would have been stated if true).
 
faflec said:
I don't think they can disrupt chakra, since Noburi never reported his Water Whip becoming disrupted even when he was drained (I presume this would have been stated if true).
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He never got it close enough to them to test that via the void around them, and they seemed to be draining his barrel rather than trying to drain his technique. But we know they can drain at least some techniques because they drained shadow clones and summons.

i'm mostly worried that if you dive into the mass you tendrils near the body they will be able to drain fast enough jutsu collapses.

And that chakra void is likely why he can't sense them - they are eating the chakra in vampiric dew when it gets close enough to them.
 
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faflec said:
Also, if we're going to be baiting the otters, might I suggest an underground approach? I'm not sure whether to send bait in underground as the distraction or have the main squad attack from underground, but it's a vector of attack we should consider.
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This seems riskier since we'd be crushed without HLaM active but we'd also be unable to navigate accurately even with Living Roots up, right? Like, these things seemingly have a physical presence but don't seem to be all that smart or relentlessly pursuing targets. If we pop up in the wrong place that sounds like a very bad time, compared to "Well if there are 100 of them right in front of us, we can sprint like mad back out of the cave".
 
Byzantine said:
He never got it close enough to them to test that via the void around them, and they seemed to be draining his barrel rather than trying to drain his technique. But we know they can drain at least some techniques because they drained shadow clones and summons.

i'm mostly worried that if you dive into the mass you tendrils near the body they will be able to drain fast enough jutsu collapses.

And that chakra void is likely why he can't sense them - they are eating the chakra in vampiric dew when it gets close enough to them.
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Hm. I'd argue that the enemy is draining not the clones/Summons but the chakra they have, and at a specific tipping point (ie when they run out of chakra) they drop, just like how an actual person/Summon would drop once out of chakra.
 
It seems like this shit disproportionately targets and drains larger reserves. They left the small fry alone and didn't try to drain Noburi's main body, only his barrel, but immediately went for the Jonin, starting with the highest capacity and working their way down to the smallest amounts with the summons.

Therefore, Hazou and Kei should make some SCs and leave them behind with backup chakra, then have Noburi drain them down to lower totals. If they need emergency chakra they can pop a SC and refill, but we should go in with less chakra to get a less aggressive drain.
 
Shrooms said:
Therefore, Hazou and Kei should make some SCs and leave them behind with backup chakra, then have Noburi drain them down to lower totals. If they need emergency chakra they can pop a SC and refill, but we should go in with less chakra to get a less aggressive drain.
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Seems like a good idea.
 
Shrooms said:
It seems like this shit disproportionately targets and drains larger reserves. They left the small fry alone and didn't try to drain Noburi's main body, only his barrel, but immediately went for the Jonin, starting with the highest capacity and working their way down to the smallest amounts with the summons.

Therefore, Hazou and Kei should make some SCs and leave them behind with backup chakra, then have Noburi drain them down to lower totals. If they need emergency chakra they can pop a SC and refill, but we should go in with less chakra to get a less aggressive drain.
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....so that if we do get targeted, it's a one-hit kill?
Seems super risky. If you're wrong and Hazou gets targeted, we probably die.
 
faflec said:
Is there a particular reason we're using the Capacitor Rune over the jinchuriki seals? MS2 and MS3 intakes "huge amounts" of environmental chakra and keeps it there for at least a few moments; is the (presumably-)increased capacity of the Capacitor Rune that much more valuable that we need to spend 12 hours + all of Hazou's chakra to make one?
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@Paperclipped @Velorien @eaglejarl

About how much larger is the capacitor rune than MS2&3? Like in rough OOM based on sealing vs PS, 4 OOM? That's how much larger explosive runes are than explosives.
 
Left-Hand Mutant said:
It sounded like she might have been drained for several rounds and not noticed?
And they were at 50% chakra, not 100%.
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50% of Mari's chakra is probably more than 100% of Hazou's :p

My point being, the largest reserves were clearly targeted first and more strongly. We don't need to drain to 10 chakra or anything, let's just go in with half or maybe a third

...not that I'm actually sure how much we have available now, given all that has already been spent on SC, summons, and redistribution. This may actually be a moot point, come to think of it.
 
MMKII said:
That would break my suspension of disbelief a fair bit. These guys are never not aware of their chakra levels in a combat situation...
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So, I would agree, but Vel just said...

Sir Stompy said:
Is there a finer grained estimate here? How long did it take them to get drained from half of their reserves compared to when Noburi drains them? About the same? Much faster? I want to know if they'll get even a single combat round vs these things.
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Velorien said:
Unfortunately not. Not only is chakra is hard to quantify, but they weren't paying attention to their reserves until it was too late.
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