Cariyaga
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Failing that, we can always use the Minatoseals, instead.
Marked for Death: A Rational Naruto Quest
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- naruto rationalist romance armageddon is looking better and better damn you kishimoto explosions everywhere explosives solve everyone if in doubt surrender to the mercy of zabuza it seemed like a good idea at the time looks like a really bad case of being a jōnin my god. where does the lore end? precommitting is the winning plan screaming in kagome screw the rules i have explosives something bad might still happen sometimes you gotta sociopath stabby zabby subsection c of paragraph 9 should include we can weaponize this so hard open voting
I don't get this, you want Hazou to use Earth Jutsu right in front of the chakra beasts that eat jutsu? He's going to get his ass killed. He'd need to use ES to close the nook.
There's no point to blitzing the cave once the chakra beasts have time to unclear it. Might as well wait for Mari at that point.
Finally those combat tactics are for facing the otters, not the rest of the beasts in the cave. There's no reason to use suicide bomber or not to use ninjutsu on the rest of the cave.
Emstar
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We can probably board it up with something else but the point is that they're distracted by the big shiny chakra rune that continuously pumps chakra towards its location to begin with. If we have doubts that they're not going to be distracted by it then the issue is that they aren't going to be distracted by it which is a more critical flaw here IMO.
I'll cut the "close that section off (if Hazou thinks its a good idea)" part if that makes you feel better?
We're not necessarily going to get all of the otters? Just because we see that there's a handful of them here doesn't mean there aren't two dozen elsewhere. I think its more likely that there are going to be more of the chakra-eating monsters around the big pond of ultra chakra dense water, wherever the heck that is.
If there are only two of them then this encounter is trivial for us to solve (send two Pangolins we hate at them). I don't think its going to be that easy, so proceeding as though there will be more of them is ideal. The point isn't "The chakra capacitor rune trivially solves this encounter", its that it ideally keeps some of them away so we can maybe poke at 'em later. Because the chakra eating thing is pretty based if we can replicate it.
Don't need the rest, we don't know how big the cave is, we likely can't blitz the entire thing before buffs expire, we should go back to the original plan.
Lots of edits suggested.
Emstar
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Yeah implemented a bunch of this, thanks. Here we go:
@eaglejarl @Velorien @Paperclipped
Is there a location in the cave where this is possible? Did Noburi spot something? Just want to make sure this is a valid assumption.
Updates to my two plans. Hopefully things should be more clear. I have abandoned word count for the first.
I think actively infusing a rune near the chakravores (within a few meters) is the absolute height of insanity. If they sneak up on us (and they snuck up on Mari and Yuno) they could cause Hazou to fail the infusion.
We do not know a thing about chakra beast research, we cannot safely interact with these things. I highly doubt we'll get anything out of "studying" them. I think we should just kill these things. Not try to pull an Orochimaru without any of the requisite skills
Emstar
The Shining One
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If folks prefer we do the bait rune up at the cave entrance and hope it does something and thats the only dealbreaker there, that works for me too. @Cariyaga @ProperAttorney @DanZapman what say you?
[X] Action Plan: Fuck It We Blitz
I think it's relatively unlikely that a Capacitor Rune will work as bait. Given what Oro said about human chakra being at higher potential than environmental chakra, hence why it can be used to do work, it seems relatively likely that the otter-things won't be massively interested in even large concentrations of environmental chakra. Indeed, they may or may not even have the capacity to sense it; Noburi's Vampiric Dew can't detect environmental chakra. (Oro quote below for reference.)
It's of course also possible that actually these hypothetically-Preta-path creatures can derive sustenance from even environmental chakra, but in general, I'm not personally very interested in researching them. We already have plausible avenues for anti-Akatsuki weapons, some of which we know work (e.g. Remote Explosion, Landmine, Storm) and others of which we've yet to even prep (e.g. PLTRs, Dragon Roar). I don't think it's really worthwhile to throw a bunch of time and chakra at investigating the things that will kill us if we make even a tiny misstep, without actually having many tools to do the investigation and without even knowing how much it would help if we understood them.
I think it's relatively unlikely that a Capacitor Rune will work as bait. Given what Oro said about human chakra being at higher potential than environmental chakra, hence why it can be used to do work, it seems relatively likely that the otter-things won't be massively interested in even large concentrations of environmental chakra. Indeed, they may or may not even have the capacity to sense it; Noburi's Vampiric Dew can't detect environmental chakra. (Oro quote below for reference.)
It's of course also possible that actually these hypothetically-Preta-path creatures can derive sustenance from even environmental chakra, but in general, I'm not personally very interested in researching them. We already have plausible avenues for anti-Akatsuki weapons, some of which we know work (e.g. Remote Explosion, Landmine, Storm) and others of which we've yet to even prep (e.g. PLTRs, Dragon Roar). I don't think it's really worthwhile to throw a bunch of time and chakra at investigating the things that will kill us if we make even a tiny misstep, without actually having many tools to do the investigation and without even knowing how much it would help if we understood them.
Emstar
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We see these monsters appear as "voids" that disrupt the ambient "static" Noburi perceives with the Vampiric Dew as some sort of ever present background radiation (given his internal narration). So I would say that its actually quite likely that they eat environmental chakra and it seems like the Vampiric Dew can detect it to some extent (its just not sensitive enough to be a fine grained scientific instrument).
Just pointing that out, other points aside.
Fair. I was thinking of that as Noburi either having some kind of proprioception for areas his bloodline is spread through, or as his perception being slightly noisy (as any detection system is), and that the voids were created by the creatures eating the chakra that makes up the Vampiric Dew's draining/sensing systems, but I can see how it could be taken as evidence that environmental chakra is detectable by Noburi and drained by these creatures.
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I share this concern FWIW. Hopefully someone else will point this out if it's unworkable, but this just has bad idea written all over it to me. Why not infuse elsewhere and slowly push it towards them or just draw them to the bait?
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Or, uh...use a bunch of MS2/MS3 seals instead? Like, why are we fixated on using the rune over the seal?
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I'm tbh unconvinced either will be effective but this does seem less likely to blow up in our face at least.
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Only half-joking, but... there are three really dangerous things we know about. It's hard to quantify each, exactly, but there are enemy ninja, esoteric chakra bullshit like living crystals and dragons, and infusion failures that are just rolls on the Will You Survive? table.
The constant and undisputed number four has always been "strong chakra monsters" though. I think it was a radar we were thinking of acquiring. Our first battles, in the Swamp, were against that kind of thing too. Lightning-aura... if I remember correctly, spiderbears?
"Drains-your-soul otter backup" sounds like an interesting ace-in-the-hole, if we manage to capture any such stuff in the future.
(Also, just think about how when we resurrect Jiraiya we can finally confirm to him that yes, Summons are still made of nature chakra when they're on the Human Path)
The constant and undisputed number four has always been "strong chakra monsters" though. I think it was a radar we were thinking of acquiring. Our first battles, in the Swamp, were against that kind of thing too. Lightning-aura... if I remember correctly, spiderbears?
"Drains-your-soul otter backup" sounds like an interesting ace-in-the-hole, if we manage to capture any such stuff in the future.
(Also, just think about how when we resurrect Jiraiya we can finally confirm to him that yes, Summons are still made of nature chakra when they're on the Human Path)
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Rihaku
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I agree Hazou should not waste this opportunity to develop anti-Konan and anti-Hidan weaponry by killing all the chakravores. They were able to drain Mari undetected which is an impressive esoteric attack feat. If we develop similar it might even answer Orochimaru and Itachi - Itachi has low reserves and could be drained through the ground via his foot or something.
This might also be an accelerator for Sage Mode since it allows easy access to multiple forms of chakra potentially at the same time - drain a human and a summon simultaneously and you just need to mould it into biphasic chakra.
@Sir Stompy @MMKII Given the toad sages are specialists in this stuff, maybe they'd be interested in studying it? We should have Noburi consult with the Sages, presenting his observations and Hazou's theories - if interested they might be willing to be summoned and support the delve directly, which would massively increase the odds of both a successful capture and of acquiring relevant insights thereof.
This might also be an accelerator for Sage Mode since it allows easy access to multiple forms of chakra potentially at the same time - drain a human and a summon simultaneously and you just need to mould it into biphasic chakra.
@Sir Stompy @MMKII Given the toad sages are specialists in this stuff, maybe they'd be interested in studying it? We should have Noburi consult with the Sages, presenting his observations and Hazou's theories - if interested they might be willing to be summoned and support the delve directly, which would massively increase the odds of both a successful capture and of acquiring relevant insights thereof.
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Noburi and Panashe escaped and they didn't seem to follow him, so as long as he doesn't get jumped or surrounded we can continue to explore the cave slowly.
And we might have just run into the chakra eating Gaki who are going towards the pool, they might be other variations around.
And we might have just run into the chakra eating Gaki who are going towards the pool, they might be other variations around.
Those were part of Jiraiya's notes, that were then pointed out by Mari to be partially notes for future novels. Still a rune that seals Gaki (maybe just temporary) could work and might be safer.
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No need to drain through his foot, the tendrils are invisible and intangible. Noburi was only able to detect them from the void in his chakra senses. And Itachi is especially vulnerable to them because they can drain through shadow clones.
Emstar
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I've edited the plan to be a bit more flexible on location here (towards the start of the cave in a safer spot). I think a Loony Tunes-esque bait trail of MS2 or MS3 seals would work if they're not immediately going for the capacitor rune.
If this doesn't work at all then we tried, and it's time to kill 'em. Ah well.
I'm not interested is trying to study these things.
We have no expertise containing beasts Noburi can't drain, they're invisible and intangible(?), they can cause direct damage to chakra coils. We have no skill in studying chakra beasts.
This just too dangerous. Toad Sages or no. The same TS who told us never to summon them under any circumstances -- it does not matter if Noburi is dying. Also the same TS that cost 1.5X Noburi's reserves (3000 CP), more chakra than the team generates in a day to summon them for an hour, then 1000 CP each hour to keep them here.
It's not going in my plan, it's incredibly risky.