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Marked for Death: A Rational Naruto Quest

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Rihaku said:
@Sir Stompy @MMKII Given the toad sages are specialists in this stuff, maybe they'd be interested in studying it? We should have Noburi consult with the Sages, presenting his observations and Hazou's theories - if interested they might be willing to be summoned and support the delve directly, which would massively increase the odds of both a successful capture and of acquiring relevant insights thereof.
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My model of the Toad Sages here is that they tell us to fuck off and that we've already used up our brownie points allotment for the month with them verifying that Noburi hasn't been genjutsu'd into a sleeper agent in a fit of paranoia the other day.

I don't think its a good idea to input the "Haggle with these old fogeys" step anywhere here until we've properly neutralized the dangers in the cave. It'll waste a lot of time and chakra. No reason we can't do it afterwards IMO.
 
MMKII said:
My model of the Toad Sages here is that they tell us to fuck off and that we've already used up our brownie points allotment for the month with them verifying that Noburi hasn't been genjutsu'd into a sleeper agent in a fit of paranoia the other day.

I don't think its a good idea to input the "Haggle with these old fogeys" step anywhere here until we've properly neutralized the dangers in the cave. It'll waste a lot of time and chakra. No reason we can't do it afterwards IMO.
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We can still have Noburi pass it along for if they give a shit - they are scholars. We don't necessarily need to ask for help. Plus we can give them one of the funny Otter statues
 
Shrooms said:
We can still have Noburi pass it along for if they give a shit - they are scholars. We don't necessarily need to ask for help. Plus we can give them one of the funny Otter statues
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Yeah, like I'm fine with bantering with these guys, just like, not right now lol.

It can wait til we take care of business. Can't summon them without more chakra anyway.
 
The possibility of finding their neighbors scroll should be of interest to them.

So talking to them might still work. This is basically important national security info for them.
 
MMKII said:
I've edited the plan to be a bit more flexible on location here (towards the start of the cave in a safer spot). I think a Loony Tunes-esque bait trail of MS2 or MS3 seals would work if they're not immediately going for the capacitor rune.

If this doesn't work at all then we tried, and it's time to kill 'em. Ah well.
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I'm personally still leery of trying to study them at all while they're still alive and kicking, but I do think this is better.
 
I don't think the Toad Sages will be inclined to help (they're busy people, cranky at the best of times, and we've already sapped their limited 'indulging the mayfly humans and their boring crap' spoons).

The Toad Sages are so old that they remember when Pantsaa was a kid --and Pantsaa is old by Pangolin standards, and several hundreds of years is considered "middle aged" for them. I'm sure they've seen "a failed Signing causes Summoning Clan-esque monsters" before. Heck, we've heard of that happening with the Arachnid Scroll, and Hazou's not even into his second decade.

I suspect that this would be like Harumitsu coming up to Hazou to say that he heard of someone with a storage seal variant whose internals were 0.01cm larger than average, and then expecting Hazou to treat it like it was equal to the invention of RRBs. Somehow, I doubt the Toad Sages would be as gracious in their response as Hazou would be :V
 
[X] Action Plan: Fuck It We Ball
[X] Action Plan: Mad Science Cave Clearing

This is the third magic cave that causes us trouble.

RandomOTP said:
I'm sure they've seen "a failed Signing causes Summoning Clan-esque monsters" before. Heck, we've heard of that happening with the Arachnid Scroll, and Hazou's not even into his second decade.
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Hazou doesn't know what the Arachnid Scroll signing caused. If those are just sealing-failure monsters than we might have no trouble, otherwise we might even have another Rift somewhere in the caves.

If there is no Rift then it's an interesting coincident that we still meet some when they seemingly have turned to stone before we came.

edit: Oh it was just Condoru, I guess.
 
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[X] Action Plan: Mad Science Cave Clearing
[X] Action Plan: Fuck It We Ball

going in half-cost seems like a terrible idea unless we desperately need to milk EJ for XP
 
ContextBot said:
Hazou doesn't know what the Arachnid Scroll signing caused.
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Maybe not specifically, but I think he actually knows better than we do. It's something they cover in their Summoner training. Hazou asked Asuma why Rock just locked their scroll up in a Sealing Research Fort somewhere and Asuma said they likely tried signing it without having the training, to which Hazou winced and pretty much immediately intuited how that would go (I think there's a line about summoning a bunch of spider horrors or something.)

There's also a Kagome quote somewhere that his fellow sealmasters trying to replicate Summoning Scrolls had them accidentally summoning soul eating gaki from the Preta Path, which tracks remarkably well to what we're seeing here, Gaki-esque otter creatures in a region the Otter Scroll is known to be lost in.
 
Shrooms said:
There's also a Kagome quote somewhere that his fellow sealmasters trying to replicate Summoning Scrolls had them accidentally summoning soul eating gaki from the Preta Path, which tracks remarkably well to what we're seeing here, Gaki-esque otter creatures in a region the Otter Scroll is known to be lost in.
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Its from Ch121, revelations unending I think.

This one is weird in that we have so much damn foreshadowing about these guys. We asked Kagome a bunch about 'em since they seemed related to the Dragons.

The fact that the summoning scroll related byline shows up like 3ish times is interesting. That's more than random chance when it comes to this sealing failure stuff (which can be fucking anything) so there might be something interesting to poke at here at some point. How we do that, I dunno, but it's interesting.
 
Shrooms said:
Maybe not specifically, but I think he actually knows better than we do. It's something they cover in their Summoner training. Hazou asked Asuma why Rock just locked their scroll up in a Sealing Research Fort somewhere and Asuma said they likely tried signing it without having the training, to which Hazou winced and pretty much immediately intuited how that would go (I think there's a line about summoning a bunch of spider horrors or something.)

There's also a Kagome quote somewhere that his fellow sealmasters trying to replicate Summoning Scrolls had them accidentally summoning soul eating gaki from the Preta Path, which tracks remarkably well to what we're seeing here, Gaki-esque otter creatures in a region the Otter Scroll is known to be lost in.
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I wasn't trying to say it's not Gaki, just that both are different summoning scrolling events and we really don't what happened in Rock

And I posted that last page, Kagome added more later:

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"Anyway, the Preta Path is where the gaki come from. Disembodied souls, supposedly...personally I suspect they're just chakra constructs, but it's not my field. They are all hungry, all the time, and they eat different things. The ones that eat the sound of bells or the scent of flowers, no problem. The ones that eat mice, great to have around. The ones that eat your blood right out of your veins without leaving a mark on your skin? Less fine.
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There could be other Gaki variations and we're mostly planning for the chakra eating ones. One of my reasons why I wanted to ask the Toads.
 
Sir Stompy said:
Any interest in Fuck It We Ball? It's got more support right now. It's slower paced, very similar to MMKII's plan, but doesn't try to capture the chakravores.
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I'm not a fan of spending the time and chakra to do the Capacitor Rune check, since I think it's pretty unlikely to work, but I suppose the other leading plan does that too and I really don't want to risk leaving these things alive.

[X] Action Plan: Fuck It We Ball

In particular, I think there's a reasonable chance that the chakravores can sense environmental chakra and would be intrigued by a Capacitor Rune, but I think it's very unlikely indeed that they can actually feed on it. So it might work as bait, but almost certainly not as a way to keep them pacified or localized.
 
Strongly in favour of trying to study the otter-things.

[X] Action Plan: Mad Science Cave Clearing
MMKII said:
[X] Action Plan: Mad Science Cave Clearing
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Suggestion: Put Yuno in charge of the operation, and present our actual plan as a draft for her to revise as she sees fit. She's the one who made a career of hunting esoteric chakra beasts. She presumably doesn't have much experience with capturing them, but she likely still has a lot of relevant expertise.

Also,
Otters in the desert? That's ecologically unlikely. This could be from someone signing the Otter Scroll and causing a huge mess.
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I think you mean "mis-signing" or something?
 
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Request to the QMs (@eaglejarl @Velorien @Paperclipped ) or a very active and generous player from the playerbase? Can someone add the runes we've discovered to the "PLAYERS - Known Seals" google sheet in the "Rules, Stunts, Jutsu, Characters, etc" chapter at the beginning of the quest? Or have a separate easily accessible list of all the runes Hazo's discovered? Because as far as I'm aware, all the runes and their effects are scattered across a bunch of different chapters, mainly in the "spoilers" part of the chapters making it much more difficult to casually know what's up and vote on plans.

If there is the list and I simply overlooked it, please point me to it. (And sorry to bother.)

PS: If I recall there's a bunch of Jiaraya's seals that we got and aren't part of the list? Could someone add those as well?

Thanks!
 
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Noumero said:
Strongly in favour of trying to study the otter-things.

[X] Action Plan: Mad Science Cave Clearing

Suggestion: Put Yuno in charge of the operation, and present our actual plan as a draft for her to revise as she sees fit. She's the one who made a career of hunting esoteric chakra beasts. She presumably doesn't have much experience with capturing them, but she likely still has a lot of relevant expertise.

Also,

I think you mean "mis-signing" or something?
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Yes, "mis-signing".

Insofar as putting Yuno in charge of the operation, I would probably want to prioritize her input and Kagome's? They both have the most experience with weird freaky stuff I think.

How's this sound under the "consult with team" part?

  • Yuno has a massive amount of experience hunting chakra beasts. Kagome has a lot of experience with the esoteric. See if they have any ideas or particularly strong input.
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CitizenTen said:
Request to the QMs (@eaglejarl @Velorien @Paperclipped ) or a very active and generous player from the playerbase? Can someone add the runes we've discovered to the "PLAYERS - Known Seals" google sheet in the "Rules, Stunts, Jutsu, Characters, etc" chapter at the beginning of the quest? Or have a separate easily accessible list of all the runes Hazo's discovered? Because as far as I'm aware, all the runes and their effects are scattered across a bunch of different chapters, mainly in the "spoilers" part of the chapters making it much more difficult to casually know what's up and vote on plans.

If there is the list and I simply overlooked it, please point me to it. (And sorry to bother.)

PS: If I recall there's a bunch of Jiaraya's seals that we got and aren't part of the list? Could someone add those as well?

Thanks!
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Marked for Death: A Rational Naruto Quest. It's not signposted anywhere, which is kind of annoying, but it has most of what you're looking for.
 
Kyreneryk said:
Marked for Death: A Rational Naruto Quest. It's not signposted anywhere, which is kind of annoying, but it has most of what you're looking for.
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Thank you! Just what I was looking for.

Can somebody (the QMs?) with access to the "Seals Know to Players" google doc found in the beginning of the quest just copy and paste either the:
To help the new players that are on boarding the quest? It would take ~30 seconds of work, but would save many new players hours of fruitless searching and confusion. Even if neither of the lists above are 100% accurate (The first doesn't have runes. The second is maybe(?) missing some seals), it's much better than the current official doc which is hopelessly out of date and leads to much more confusion and frustration about the quest.
 
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