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Omake time.​

This scene is written from the point of view of Lord Vegeta during pre-Sealing events. Contains child abuse. Contains child abuse from the perspective of the abuser. The second person perspective. Contains self-justifying internal monologue of child abuser. Contains villain viewpoint character, as the previous three sentences should make clear.

If you foresee being seriously troubled by the scene described above, DO NOT READ this omake.

The author does NOT endorse the viewpoint of Vegeta Vegeta on literally anything ever, especially not anything related to children in any capacity. Character's attributed opinions are strictly his own and I hope he rots and burns in HFIL for them. On which note...

Somewhere, in a very improbable, one-in-quadrillions parallel universe...

I roll for everybody. The Legendary Super Saiyan occurs on seven consecutive nat-100s.
WIFE: Why are you even bothering with these? ... Fine, whatever, let's just get this done. Pointless, though.
JAFFUR DICE POWER MAXIMUM!
(LATER)

ME (FRANTIC): ...he's passing them!

(LATER)

WIFE: Oh what the fuck.

ME: HE... HE ROLLED A NAT-100 FOR THAT.

WIFE: What the fuck?

(LATER)

WIFE: ...

ME: ...

BOTH: WHAT THE FUCK?!

(LATER)

WIFE: So help me-

ME: NO. NO, THIS... IS APPARENTLY A STRESS-TEST OF HOW BADLY DICE CAN FUCK OVER THE SYSTEM NOW. WE'RE SEEING IT THROUGH.

Maximum


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"Kakara, you need to understand-"

"No, YOU understand! This is stupid! It's stupid, and I hate it!"

Berra has coddled his precious little shrinking violet for far too long. Now the bastard's sowing what he reaped. Does the cowardly girl not want to be a super-saiyan? People have died trying to- you clamp down on the memory.

A mocking, ironic inner voice tells you that maybe you shouldn't talk. After all, you have your own brat problems. Jaffur is screaming at you.

"I am not a weapon! You don't get to point me at her and tell me to cut loose!"

Idiot child. You were so proud of him when he was born, with a power level in the thousands practically before he left the delivery room. But since then? Nothing but lip and insolence and constant, constant failure to grasp the facts of life.

Your power level spirals up to something far beyond what the boy can achieve. Time seems to stand still, except only for Berra's gathering frown; he's the only one present who can match you. You walk up to the frozen Jaffur, then allow yourself to slow down, cutting him off in mid-rant.

"Don't you tell me what I do and don't get to do. I am your father, and you will respect that." Meanwhile Berra is still trying to convince Kakara. Idiot.

Again, though, you have your own problems. Jaffur closes on you. "I'll respect you as my father when you earn it!"

Your vision turns red.

SMACK.

Why does he never learn?

Everyone shuts up. Jaffur stumbles back a half-step and freezes, head snapped to the side by the blow. You lower your hand, slowly, and try, one more time, to explain to your son how the world works. You understood it when you were ten, if not younger.

"I don't need to earn anything from you, brat. I helped to bring you into this world, and I can take you out of it."

Jaffur is still and quiet. Maybe he's listening for a change. That would be good.

You bend down to his face. Because you know what he said last night, and he must understand how things work now that he's transformed for the first time.

"As your father I am entitled to your respect and obedience, and I will have it from you. Do you really think I didn't hear you last night? 'The Clan needs a new Lord?' Really, is that so? And how will you make that happen, Jaffur?"

"Don't call me that."

"Do you plan on finding some likely girl to pump out your brats as soon as you can? I'm sure you can find a whore to help with that easily enough."

"Don't call me that."

"Or did you plan on killing me? Forget whether or not you can -- let's be honest, you never would. You're nothing without me there."

"Don't call me that."

What is wrong with him? You've got to snap him out of it, get him to face the truth of what it is, to be a transformed Scion helping his lord and father- you clamp down on the memory.

"Don't call you what? Your name? That's just who you are, and nothing will ever change that. You are my son -- my blood, my flesh, my property, mine -- and that will never change."

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Jaffur's expression stills, and he looks you in the face. "Fuck this."

WHAM.

A spike of shocked pain slams into your gut. Jaffur transforms almost instantly, and at a hundred and sixty million he's strong enough to hurt you with that sucker punch. You double over, momentarily dazed as your own son bounds up and kicks you across the Hall.

If you weren't you, you might be proud.

Your vision turns red, then blue and gold. That IDIOT CHILD!

"BOY!"

Once again you have seven times the boy's strength.

"YOU STRIKE AT ME? YOU JUST ACHIEVED YOUR TRANSFORMATION YESTERDAY, AND YOU THINK YOURSELF A MATCH FOR ME?!"

You rush forward, unleashing your strength against him, showing him what true power really is. He trains, you'll give him that. He's got talent, you'll give him that. But none of that matters in the face of the true mastery of the titanic well of a super-saiyan's power, as you proved at the age of ten- you clamp down on the memory.

Berra transforms, but stays out of it, protecting Kala and the girl from the thunder of your wrath. Fair enough. Well enough. And after a little while, you've done enough. Well, almost enough. One final lesson.

Jaffur is on the floor, far from the bystanders. You slow back into what mere mortals would call visibility, above Berra and Kala and the girl, arms flung wide. Your vision is red.

"YOU INSOLENT BRAT! I WILL SHOW YOU YOUR PLACE! ENJOY THE REST OF THE MONTH, SON, BECAUSE YOU'RE SPENDING IT CRIPPLED!"

Berra looks up and shouts. "Vegeta, no!"

But it's too late for that. It's six years too late for that. The divide between you and the man you once thought of as a friend, like an idiot, can never be repaired.

"FINAL FLASH!"

SCREEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA-/

BANG.

When the light clears, the dust remains.

When the dust clears, the crater remains.

The boy is standing in the crater. But he doesn't look like a boy anymore. Somehow, something has given him the height and bulk of a man grown, muscled as no eight year old child should be. As not even an eight year old super saiyan should be.

The golden fire of his transformation, the blue shimmering of that... thing he does with his ki... they've merged, now, with something else.

His eyes are mad and wild, or rather his face is. You cannot read expression in his eyes directly. Because his eyes are pits of white flame, so bright that it hurts to look at them, so bright you can't imagine how he can even see.

Your son's hair is still mostly golden, but now tinged with green.

Incongruously, fragments from the ancient Song of Gohan and the Chant of Goku drift through your mind, as things fall into place. You realize truly, what it is that you have sired. And tormented. And goaded into a rage beyond even saiyan comprehension. Beyond even your comprehension.

You know that the last time this happened, the father died.

And he'd given less provocation than you.

Your Final Flash rolled off Jaffur's abruptly expanded body, like wind splashing off of steel. It has left him not only uninjured, but unmarked, untouched by a blast that even Berra, even Father, would have had to sit up and take notice of. For Jaffur is the truth of the legend now, and he is stronger than you. By one unit of power, or one billion, it matters not. He is stronger than you.

Jaffur is beyond speech, beyond thought. He roars.

"FATHER!"

He stands, feet spread wide on the ground, and cups his hands at you. Now moving faster than you can fully react to defend yourself. For he is the legend, and he is stronger than you.

Silver and blue and green and gold merge into rainbow balefire, altering almost beyond recognition an attack you've seen your son use before.

The Apocalypse Beam.

You thought Jaffur's choice of words pretentious, a childish fancy, even if the boy had a right to name his own attacks, which you supposed he did.

That lance of silver fire strikes, has always struck, with twice the power level of the user. And Jaffur is mightier, now, than even a super-saiyan at full strength.

Even if, in this moment, you had unlocked the forbidden transformation, attained the second state, it wouldn't be enough to stop this, this world-ending blowtorch, thick as a man's thigh, from carving through your chest, burning through your shoulder and sending your right arm falling to the ground. Slowly, so slowly, your body begins to fall after it, to land at your rival Berra's feet.

And now the Apocalypse Beam lives up to the full horror of its name.

Sorcerers, your wife among them, were already frantically conjuring seals, trying to reinforce the Hall wards, as soon as they saw the green fire erupt around Jaffur's power-swollen body. But he is the legend, and he is stronger than them too.

The beam, fired from the ground and passing through you, blows out through the Hall's roof, rupturing its enchantments as a spear might burst a balloon. A gout of green-tarnished silver screams skyward, on a direct line to interstellar space and the edge of the galaxy.

The Hall is fallen. And you are dying.

Jaffur screams again.

"FAATHHER!"

As your life ebbs, you see Berra, the red fire of the Kaio-Ken wrapping around him, as he prepares to risk his life doing what you and your parents had planned for, the last-ditch effort to suppress an awakening power that will spell the doom of Garenhuld. None of you knew to expect this, but generations of royals have resolved along these lines. To bring down any such giant, though they die in the doing, or die trying.

You see Kyuuri, your aide, looking on in sick horror. Slowly, so slowly, raising fingers to brow. To fetch your father? Your father.

Father... Father...

Soon you stand, restored, before a great desk. You answer to the great crimson ogre in his violet suit for your deeds. You are sentenced accordingly.

Nor will you be the only child of Garenhuld to do so, this day.

I honestly could not have written this before the latest update which is a pity because it might have actually helped...
 
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Non-Canon Omake: Jaffur Disabled Negaverse
I specialize in such things. :evil:
@WafflyBrilliance's current user title is "Total Schemebag", by the way.

Carrie_the_One said:
WafflyBrilliance said:
You twist, your Final Apocalypse slicing, seeking. Finally, it hits. Father is down.
Willpower [Stay Awake]: 88 vs. 90

And then your Kaio-Ken fades, and your consciousness fades with it. The last thing you see as you fall to the floor is Kakara, hand to her mouth and chewing.

Once again, you're about to lose consciousness. What next?
[ ] Switch to Jaron. Weak help is better than none.
[ ] Dream a dream.
-[ ] And stay here. You might get revived again, and Kakara probably can't beat Grandfather on her own.
-[ ] Use Bailout first. Escaping is more important than possibly being revived right now.
Well, it looks like it's down to Kakara again. I'm not missing the dream bonus.
Titanrope said:
Yeah, those have generally been pretty good for us, haven't they?

EDIT: can someone tell me what Bailout was, again?
Bagelist said:
It breaks the Seal on a chain of three random-walk Instant Transmissions. We'd still be asleep, but Waffles has told us our ki would be suppressed by unconsciousness.
Tombcat said:
Bagelist said:
We'd still be asleep, but Waffles has told us our ki would be suppressed by unconsciousness.
Uh, no they haven't. Hang on, let me find the quote.
RickTracy said:
Here it is.
WafflyBrilliance said:
Power level is generally lower when you're asleep, but you have to be actively clamping down on it to fool a sensor ping.
Slaughtermoone said:
So it could still work, but only if no one looks for us very hard. ...Get to omakes, everybody.
RickTracy said:
Um, no, I think everyone wants to stay and be revived again. Kakara is a healer, right?
Slaughtermoone said:
So help me if we Bad End because of your shipping I will cry at you.
 
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Non-Canon Omake: Saiyan First Aid
Saiyan First Aid

You're sitting in a class of twelve, at a desk just to the back and right of the center. This is your (Advanced, by dint of covering more than Senzu Bean administration) Medicine class, and just as the last student sits down, the teacher walks in.
Sensei Perrim is plump for a Saiyan, and very animated. She's also sitting at fourteen and a half million power units, and you think it's her resting level, because you haven't felt it flicker once. (That's fascinating, but unless you transform you won't have enough time to think it over before she talks, and you need to hear this at a reasonable speed.)
"The first thing you should know about ki healing is that it doesn't work on corpses. This may seem obvious, but it's an important point; unlike surgery, the systems we care about decay too quickly to be readily divined from autopsy."
You raise your hand. She points to you immediately. "Yes, Kakara?"
"Is that why when Son Goku got sick, is was so hard to heal him? Because Earth's doctors didn't know much about ki?"
"Very good! Yes, from what we can tell the Heart Plague was much closer to being a curse than a virus. A regular disease couldn't have fed on his ki like it did. But that's not today's topic."
She turns to the chalkboard, waves her hand, and in one of the most impressive displays of telekinesis you've ever seen, she uses a dozen pieces of chalk to draw a picture very quickly. Even at three times her power level, you can barely follow it.
"This is a Saiyan ki network. You'll need to memorize the eight chakras, the pattern that release valves correlate to musculature, and all the major coils. Moreover, you'll need to learn how they look from any angle, on any build.
"This knowledge is the largest differentiator between an invisible force blast-" she whips around and her desk plant explodes, "-and a ki transfer without the recipient's aid." The dry grass surrounding the abruptly-pruned bonsai turns green and straightens up.
You notice that she's grinning. This is going to be a fun class.​
 
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Message In A Bottle
[X] Take a Senzu bean and hold another Senzu bean in our mouth or cheek.
- [X] Telepathicly transmit the memories of Dandeer's slaughter of the Vegetan sorceres to Yammar.
- [X] IT over to Dandeer and use her as a shield/flail.
We were going to break for a vote...but thanks to Yammar's traits and the situation you were in, all paths lead to you, engaged in direct combat with him. I do not believe in offering votes where all paths lead to the same place.

Message In A Bottle
You take a deep, labored breath, and slowly extract a Senzu from your pouch. Okay, two left. You crunch down on it and feel it healing you. Then you slip another from your pouch, storing it in your cheek just in case. Taking a page out of Vegeta's book, you keep your power level low. You need to disable Yammar; you can't fight him one-on-one.

And as luck would have it, you know just the magic spell capable of incapacitating people.

You form a telepathic probe with the ease formed of long experience and shove memories of slaughter through it. Dandeer, murdering sorcerers. Dandeer, tormenting Dandelor. Dandeer, getting away with it all. Dandeer, benefiting from her mass murder for years.

You shove the vision away with both hands; you don't trust it. With Sensei Carrick subverted, you can't possibly trust anything to do with the Sight right now.

Then you raise your fingers to your forehead, and IT to Dandeer, reaching out to-

incoming

It's not even ki sense that prompts you to duck; it's a flash of bone-deep awareness of peril that reminds you of your premonition and sends you diving for the ground. Then your ki senses warn you of Yammar's ki pulsing and flaring in a fired blast in a single instant, and a thin beam tears through the space overhead.

"Good reflexes," he remarks, completely untroubled. "Let's put them to the test." He fires again.

You hurl yourself to the side, wide-eyed. He should be down! He should at least be disoriented! How the heck is he up and moving?!

Yammar darts forward towards you, trying to close, and you leap back, wide-eyed. "How are you standing?!"

He gives you a confused look. "What are you talking about?"

tsew

You hurriedly block his strike and kick out to force him back, drifting up into the air and drawing back your hands. "Kamehame- whoa!"

You roll backwards to evade Yammar and have to let the technique go as he charges. Even so, he kicks you in the forehead, dazing you. Unintentionally, your teeth snap closed on your stored Senzu bean, restoring you in an instant. Yammar frowns at the apparent lack of effect. "Did you not learn from the first time?" He lunges down, trying to hammer you into the floor.

You gasp, rolling aside, and fire up your aura to drag your power level back to maximum. "I'm not going to lose to you!" you yell.

"You already have," he replies, lowering down the the ground. "You lost the moment you chose this fight. Any one of us could defeat you. Certainly, you've defeated your father in sparring conditions. Everybody wins some of the time, in a spar. But combat -- real combat -- requires something which you will never possess!" He points at you. "You may have gathered our people's acclaim, but you are still weak! They worship you because they don't know better; because you are a demigod, as far above them as they are above humans. But you do not stand above everybody else. You occupy the same plane as your fellow nobles, and we have trained. You want to serve our people? Too bad!" His fingers curl into a fist, and he scowls at you. "You are not. Strong. Enough."

You open your mouth to respond...until a thready voice from your left cuts you off.

"Stronger...than you."

Your and Yammar's head snap over, to see Jaron pulling himself to his feet.

He looks exhausted. Whatever injuries Jaffur has suffered, it looks like they had at least some effect on Jaron. He weaves on his feet, and his breath comes harshly. But he stands, and he glares at Yammar as he does with an unwavering gaze.

The Patriarch turns, setting his stance. "Sit back down, boy. You are even less ready for this battlefield than she is."

"She is stronger than you," your friend growls, stumbling forward a step.

"You're being ridiculous," scoffs Yammar, palming a blast. "Sit down or be put down!"

Jaron snarls, snapping his hand across at chest level and unleashing a titanic ki blast. It completely engulfs Yammar, but when the smoke clears, he stands unharmed. "So, you have Jaffur's power," he says, shifting his weight forward. "It will not be enough. This is your last warning. Step aside."

"I won't go back to living in her house!" snaps Jaron, pointing to his mother's crumpled form in the distance.

Yammar stills. "So be it." He palms another blast and levels it.

You tense, preparing to dart forward to intercept-

-his arm swivels to face you in response-

tsew


You feel a weight at your back, pressing at your shoulder and the back of your neck and digging in like booted feet driving you to the ground beneath you before you can react-

-you sprawl and desperately look up as your premonition comes true, just in time to see Jaron take the blast straight to the chest.

You hear Yammar cursing as his grandson goes sprawling, knocked cold. You frantically ping, and only barely relax when you feel that he's still alive.

"Brave, boy," sighs Yammar. "But you should have sat down."

Your breath rasps in your ears, and your vision narrows to a tight tunnel centered on your friend's body.

"Listen, Kakara," sighs Yammar, stepping closer, "I admire your determination. But you need to learn that determination alone isn't enough. You are incredibly smart; you need to learn that there's no clever plan that will let you avoid getting better at fighting. You won't always have allies; you won't always get the chance to execute some masterstroke that leaves your opponent alone and isolated. You will never be able to guarantee that your opponent will be so outmatched that you never need to fight. At the end of the day, you are a Scion. For all of your plans, at the end of the day, your best chess piece must be yourself."

You raise your head, everything crystallizing to a point. I can't beat him.

He extends his hand, ki glowing in his palm. "Just make this easier; stay down. This fight is already over." The light pulses and flares.

As it does, your eyes slide over to the side. I need to get to Dandeer.
Cookie used; power level boosted by 10%.
Yammar's blast flares one more time and launches.

vip

Your fingers close around Dandeer's ankle even as you hear him roaring in frustration behind you. You swivel on a heel and swing her in a wide arc between you and him. He jerks his arm to the side, the blast there sputtering out.

You let her drop, breathing harshly. "I don't care what you have to say, Patriarch," you spit. "Look at what you've done with your life! If that's the only way to be a Scion, or a Lady, or a Matriarch, then I never want to be like you! Why would I? Just some washed-up old man buried in regrets he's too much of a coward to face!"

His eyes widen.

You sneer. "Yeah, I saw that. Whenever anybody challenges you about what you did, you shut them down hard, but when Jaffur had something to say, you just took it! What, you've murdered children, but lying to your grandson was a step too far?!"

tsew

You bend and snatch up Dandeer, swinging her in a sharp, upward arc that makes Yammar break off his enraged charge. He phases back into visibility, eyes glittering in hate.

"I'm not done talking!" you snap, darting back and dragging the downed sorcerer with you. "You know what, Yammar? Grandma told me! She told me about Gine and Torruffal! I know! So if your line is that you'll be honest with your own family, why don't you tell me all about it?!"

He flickers in towards you, making a grab for Dandeer. You pulse your power higher than it's ever gone, desperation giving you strength as you twist her aside. "You have no idea what you're asking about, girl," whispers Yammar, sounding somehow more enraged than any shout. "You have no idea what it's like to live with that decision. Do not pretend like you understand because your grandmother told you a love story!"

"You know what, you're right," you gasp, skidding to a halt. "I don't understand. But if you're trying to tell me that I need to become just like you, then you owe me an explanation so that I do! So talk! Tell me what it's like! Or do you just want to see it happen again, and again, and again, all because of-!"

"THEY MURDERED MY FATHER!" he screams, finally snapping. "Do you understand that?! Do you have the slightest idea, what kind of pain that is? What kind of loss? Do you remember what you felt, when you thought Jaffur had killed your father?"

You flinch away from the memory of screaming anguish and golden light, eyes closing for a moment.

"And there it is!" he snaps, leveling a finger at you. "You know that if you'd been able, you would have done the same as me! Because that is an injury that never heals! Nothing will ever set it right. Nothing will heal the wound! The world will always be a shade darker. Behind every taste, the tinge of ash. And in the moment, there's a void of such pure black that you'd feed the world to it in order to make it stop!" He takes a deep, shuddering breath. "And then, the day after, I woke up, and it was still there." His lips twist in a grimace. "After what I did...it was still there. And I knew that no reason could ever be good enough."

You stare at him, appalled. "Then why do you always refuse to back down on it?"

"Nothing could ever be good enough reason for it," he repeats. "But if I backed down, it would be for nothing at all. I...did what I did. I won't shy away from that. I will not make it all have been for nothing. I have lived every day of my life knowing that in one day's misery, I doomed my people to decades of living out the consequences. But if I said that I was wrong, then any fear they held for me would turn to hate, and my son would suffer even more for my choices. I made my decision, and the regret for that is mine; I will not compound my failure more than I already have!"

You stare at him, mixed revulsion and pity cycling through your mind. "...and you want me to become just like you."

"I want you to be strong!" he snaps. "You and Jaffur should both be strong! You should be strong enough that nobody will dare to force that moment on you!"

You set your feet. "I think I'll find my own strength."

He sighs. "I suppose you will."

You stare at each other for a moment-

left

-until you lean to the right, his fist phasing through your afterimage. You swing Dandeer up and follow her arc with a kick. He avoids both before darting back in.

It's harder than your fight against your father. Yammar hasn't had his speed slashed. He's not taking as much effort to avoid Dandeer. He leans away from killing her, but you hear bones crunch more than once as he blocks your swings. You have to readjust. And Yammar has the benefit of experience, and tempered fury.

It's easier. You flow from stance to stance more smoothly than you have at any point during this fight, and this burst of strength, born of desperation, keeps you a step ahead of him at all times. And unlike your father, you have qualms at all fighting Yammar. You pity him; that doesn't mean you're going to go easy on him.

With Dandeer as your advantage, it is an even fight. Not a dance, because Yammar fights with a brutality that puts the lie to any metaphors about combat being beautiful. It's a savage chase as you trade distance and time in the hopes of an opening.

Until you miss a step.

You dart back left when you should have hopped back, and Yammar closes in. You swing to ward him off, and he ducks underneath Dandeer's unconscious body to deliver a brutal punch to your side. You lash out with a knee; he catches it and bashes it in at the side with a little crunch. You let out a little scream of pain, and lash out with Dandeer once more.

At least, you try. Before you even begin the swing, Yammar's hand lashes out and closes around Dandeer's throat. He squeezes and pulls, fetching up against the resistance from your grip. You blink for a moment, stunned at what looks like a certain attempt at killing his charge.

And then, he swivels in place, landing a final, brutal strike to your shoulder. The joint pops loose with a sickening wave of pain, and you rocket back, losing your grip on the sorcerer. Again, you impact the wall. Your vision swims. Senzu bean...one more Senzu bean... You fumble for your pouch.

It's gone.

"Yes, I noticed that this was looking lighter," says Yammar, walking towards you. With difficulty, you focus your vision on him. Sure enough, he's holding your pouch, the string broken.

When did he get that? you think, blinking heavily.

He grumbles, stepping in. "It was well fought, Kakara. You never stood a chance...but it was well fought."

You struggle to raise your hand, ki flickering in your palm as you frame Yammar as best you can with one hand. "Ki...ko..."

He phases, and the world goes black as the vision you've been fighting off this whole time finally pulls you away.

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Gone.

* * *
You gasp, lunging up from the ground. You take stock for a moment. Your injuries are healed.

"Over here," says a woman's voice from behind you.

You spin, and then gasp. "Eighteen!"

She gives you a patient, and somewhat bitter, smile, eyes closed. "Try again."

You blink, looking her over again. The woman before you, seated in the command chair of some strange space ship -- you can see some strange planet through the window behind her! -- looks exactly as your people's depictions of her say. The differences are in the clothing. Armor in your people's style, an odd, simple silver circlet across her forehead with an inset blue stone, and her...

...tail.

You gape, staring into the face of your older self. She nods. "Not bad." Her eyes finally open, filmed over a blank and milky white. "Seers can't give other people visions, by the way. This one is all you. Sensei Carrick had nothing to do with it."

You take a step back. "How are you talking to me?"

She taps her temple and laughs. "Oh, I'm not. Pastsight. Just having a quick look at what you were just about to ask."

A bolt of dread slashes through your chest. "You mean I've been suppressing-"

"-me, yes," she replies, settling back in her chair. "Although I'm sure Sensei Carrick would be quite flattered by how sharply upward you estimated his abilities from reality."

You slump against the wall behind you, numb. "...I could have won..."

"You really couldn't have," she sighs, shaking her head. "Not by the time the vision started knocking."

You scowl at her. "And how do you figure that?"

"By the time you got shot, Jaffur and Grandma were basically out of the fight," she replies. "By the time you woke up, even taking a Senzu as quickly as possible, they were out of the fight. Then it was you against Yammar. You did basically everything right in your last exchange with him, but even so, that old man is terrifying. Personally, I'm not sure there was a path to victory at that point. Maybe, at some far end of the bell curve...well, actually, yes, right there at the end." She smirks at you, and you feel a flicker of envy for her more developed Sight. "Still, it's right at the end. It was a very bad situation. Perhaps we would have been better running."

"You mean letting Dandeer win," you snap.

Your double raises an eyebrow at you. "She won anyway."

You have nothing to say to that.

Future you rolls her head on her shoulders. "Now, if you'll excuse me, I didn't go to all the effort of making this the most relevant moment for your vision just to run failure analyses with you. I have advice."

"Wait, you made this the best moment?" you ask. "How? Why?"

"Because I had a vision about it," she says, her lips twitching.

You scrunch your eyes shut. "How does that make any sense?!"

She laughs, quietly. "Just accept that your current understanding of causality doesn't cover it. You'll get there. Now, listen." She leans forward. "You've lost. Thanks to the way you lost, you have very limited options for getting something out of this mess. But it's not over yet. Dandeer, hasn't covered all of her bases. She is a terrifying mage, and overwhelming firepower covers a lot of sins, but when it comes down to it, you've taken her off guard, and she doesn't tend to think well under pressure. She leans on her pawns a lot -- and when she forgets to, she makes mistakes. Our bad luck was that we were never around to catch any of them."

"She's good enough to get Dad and Yammar," you growl.

She sighs. "Yammar basically handed himself to her on a silver platter. He came after her the night after the Sealing, and she could easily see that coming. She had a spell set up to trap him. Not enough that he'd suddenly love her or anything, but enough that he'd be passive and ineffective about taking her down, and that if she needed to, she could turn him with a touch."

"And Dad..." you murmur.

"She and he spent hundreds of hours together, over the years," says your older self, shrugging. "At some point, she found an opening to exploit. Listen, you didn't lose because of anything she is. Dandeer isn't stupid, but she's not that bright, either. She's powerful, but arrogant. She has powerful assets and abilities, but she always overestimates them, even so. That is your opportunity. She overcomplicates everything. She isn't an idiot, but she wants to feel like a genius. She has to feel like she won. When you come to, she'll gloat. She'll posture. She'll tell you all about her master plan. That's when you can get something done."

"And what do you think I should do?" you ask.

"I'd focus on getting the Senzus out," she replies. "I know they didn't put on the best showing today, but they'll become some of your greatest assets when they're not working under the direction of a man who's been stripped of most of his initiative and imagination."

"What about Betarel?" you blurt out. You blush as she gives you a steady look. "I mean, the vision...but that other...Senzu..."

Your older self gives you a withering expression. "Try to stay focused. I know that who you marry is an important concern, but you have more immediate concern than teenage hormo-"

"Jaffur!" you shout, leaning forward. "You're wearing a crown! What happened with Jaffur?"

A shadow of pain crosses her face. She leans back in her chair, expression smoothing over. "As I see you've guessed, I am Queen now," she says.

"Did you marry Jaffur?" you ask. "Does that even work? I mean, he's just so-"

"You do not want to become Queen the way I did!" she snaps, hair flickering gold for a moment.

You quail at the vast ocean of power that momentarily spills out from her, putting anything you've ever felt to shame. It is more power than you have ever felt from one place -- even from the Genki Dama. And it just...slipped out like that.

She takes a breath to steady herself. "You do not want that. Set it aside. Pretend you never saw the crown. Now, are you done asking silly questions?"

You flinch at the acid in her voice and decide to steer well clear of the subject. You nod, folding your hands behind your back.

She snaps off a nod of her own at you. "Good. Now, I know it's...hard to contemplate. But do not try to rescue Jaffur. Dandeer will never let you have him, and I'm telling you that you're wasting your time. You will achieve nothing. Get the Senzus. If you can, send a message to Maya telling her to head into the mountains around Senzu Hall. They'll pick her up, and she'll avoid what comes next."

"Next?" you ask.

"Dandeer has, of course, been working on a massive ritual," she says. "It's brittle, but she has every super saiyan on the planet accounted for, so there's nothing to stop her from casting it now. It's the only way it'd work. It'll make her the perfect world she's always wanted. It will be flawed, of course -- even she's not that good -- but she'll lock down Garenhuld for a long time. Maya is something exceptional. If you get her out to the Senzus, she'll continue growing in power while you're away."

You step forward. "Wait, what do you mean-?"

"Maya will be one of your most potent assets in a fight, eventually," she continues, unabated. "I'd love to get the rest of our friends out, and it honestly doesn't cost you to try, but absolutely make certain that Maya does. And once you've sent the message, cut loose. Power up as much as you can and try to break out. Ki trumps magic; the issue is targeting the right spot. The shackles use the concept, "you are sealed to immobility." Power up and focus on moving where they tell you you can't go, and you'll break them before she can adjust. You won't escape, but you're trying to break the Senzus out, not get free yourself-"

"Stop, stop!" you shout, raising your hands. "What are you talking about, 'while you're away?' Don't treat me like I don't know what I'm doing; I made it this far! Just tell me what you have in mind!"

She stares at you for a moment before sighing. "Dandeer is going to Seal you. You can stick around and see what it's like to live like Jaffur, or you can get out. You've trained mind projection. Use it. Cast yourself clear of your body and run as far as you can. Get out into the outer galaxy and find some place to anchor yourself. You'll be wandering for a while, but you will be back."

You shrink backwards. "You're talking about making myself a shade."

"And, in so doing, finding the tools necessary to survive," she snaps. "By the time you awaken, Dandeer has already Sealed everybody but Yammar. It's too late for you to win on Garenhuld. So do as our ancestors did: fall back, train, and return to fight another day. It will be dangerous, but you have what it takes to survive. Gather allies, get stronger, and learn the secrets our people have forgotten. Only then will you be able to return and put Dandeer where she belongs." She clenches her hand for a moment, knuckles white. "Of course, you could always stay and be Sealed. Maybe you like being helpless. But I doubt it."

"...you did this, too," you say.

She nods, lips tight.

You sigh, and step past her to the window. "How did we lose this badly? I thought we were doing well."

"We were looking in the wrong places," she says. "She's not a master schemer, but she doesn't to be when we're just...not there. We never looked at her side of the board, and she had access to a lot of ours." She spins the chair around. "If it's any consolation, the things we've achieved over the years will someday pay off. If I've learned one thing, it's that nothing in this world lacks consequences. The universe is unpredictable, and even things that look like a disaster can lead to redoubled gains later." She pauses. "I've also learned how to tell when a vision is about to end."

You sigh, looking out the window. "And now you want me to go throw myself out of my head while Dandeer walks my body around like a puppet."

She doesn't respond to that; to be honest, you weren't looking for a response.

"I'll think about it," you say, pushing away from the window.

"So this is what it's like to try and give me orders," she says, leaning on a hand. "I feel sorry for...well, lots of people."

You scrunch up your face at her. "Yeah, well you'd be angry too, if somebody was telling you to do all of this."

"Of course," she replies. "But I like to think that I'd do it."

You shrug. "Any last advice?"

"You're going to lose people over the next few years," she says, face softening. "People you love. Don't let it destroy you. Yammar should be lesson enough. You're going to find a lot of situations where you think you've lost. Don't give up. There's always a way out." She pauses for a moment and then shuts her eyes again. "Find a better way than I did."

"I don't know what way you took," you said, spreading your arms in a hopeless gesture.

"You'll find out," she says, nodding with certainty as her eyes open.

You feel the thin edge of tiredness that signals a vision ending. "Looks like I'm going home."

"Good luck," she says. "You'll need it, and skill, too." She smiles. "Good thing is -- and I know it doesn't feel like it right now -- we've got plenty of both."

"You're right," you say. "It doesn't."

"Fight that feeling," she says. "That's Dandeer winning, and it's wrong."

You see mists encroaching at the edges of your vision as your presence in the vision wavers.

She smiles as she begins to fade from view. "Oh, and, one last thing -- you'll need to make a choice in a few minutes, when you've saved everybody you can and it's time to run. It'll come up a few times after that. Just remember, when it does.."

* * *

Back.

* * *
Your eyes open to the restoring sensation of Senzu healing, and you look up into Dandeer's eyes. Sensei Carrick and Lord Vegeta flank her, staring straight ahead. On Dandeer's shoulder, Dazarel lounges, looking at you with a smug look on his face. Your father, Jaffur, and Grandma mill around in the background, the unsettling echoes of sorcery in their auras. Yammar is chained at your side; the Senzus are huddled in a heap off to the side, evidently not even worth the effort of restraints apart from Dandelor.

Dandeer kneels in front of you with a triumphant smile. "Hello there, Kakara."

You stare back at her, and the last words of your older self echo in your mind.

"...there are no wrong choices."



You have lost. But thanks to that vision to which you finally succumbed, you have a chance to escape and get stronger before returning, and get some of your friends and allies out in the process, should you choose to abide by it.

What do you do, in the next few moments?


[ ] Stick to the plan. Send messages to as many friends as you can to get into the Senzus' mountains, free the Senzus, and then cast yourself free. You will be back, they'll carry on the fight in your absence, and when you return, Dandeer will pay, once and for all.
[ ] Alter the plan. Due to overwhelming opposition, pick only one of the following:
-[ ] You know that she said not to, but frankly, you need to try. See if you can't snap Jaffur out of his fugue like you did back at Hall Senzu. Do this instead of freeing the Senzus, because you are well aware that you can't do both, with these odds.
-[ ] See if you can break out Yammar. Do this instead of freeing the Senzus, because you are well aware that you can't do both, with these odds.
[ ] Hang the plan. You don't follow orders. Break free, wreak havoc, and go as far as you can in a last-ditch effort to win, and take it all, rather than simply mitigate a loss. You'll show future-you, with her having lived this exact chain of events, and her epic-tier Seer abilities, and her lifetime of experience, and her galaxy-shattering levels of power that you sensed when she got mad, and-
[ ] Write-in?

MANUAL MORATORIUM. APPROVAL VOTING.

I understand that this update will cause some people to produce copious amounts of salt. That's a perfectly comprehensible reaction to what is, incontestably, a very major loss. However, we are nevertheless on a forum that values civility in its discourse. Let's honor the spirit of the platform in our reactions to this update. In particular: refrain from the, "I-told-you-so's." They don't help you convince anybody to listen to you in the future; they just piss off everybody at whom they're pointed, and entrench future opposition. If we must salt, at least let us not self-sabotage in the process. :lol:

I hope you all enjoy this update. I know it's a turbulent one, but as the vision said, it's not even close to over yet. Were mistakes made? Yes. But we'll learn from them, and given time, I'm confident that you all will find a path to ultimate victory.

One more thing, just to have some mercy: What happened with Yammar? Well, he was under a mind control spell, and as some of you correctly guessed, that spell worked by constantly and persistently removing from his mind any reasons why he should disobey Dandeer. Her mass slaughter of the Vegetan sorcerers most certainly met that criterion. Trying to disable him in this manner was a clever plan of exploiting Dandeer's grand ritual to ultimately defeat her plans; unfortunately, it simply ran afoul of another spell she had active on the same target. Even then, you managed to get to and use Dandeer, and you took Yammar right to the edge by exploiting that strategy. Ultimately, his superior skill won the day, but you held him off for far longer than he -- and even I -- was expecting.

Now, as per usual, I'll distance myself from the thread for a bit, although if I see that the reaction is more measured than it has historically been, I'll return. Have fun discussing, folks. This one's not over by a long shot.



What then ensued was the worst meltdown in the thread's history. For pages on end, the thread went into a death spiral, turning utterly toxic. The whole mess culminated in a days-long threadlock followed by the single largest staff action I've ever seen that didn't involve glassing a thread from orbit entirely. After it reopened, there were one or two additional actions doled out to prevent another flare-up.

As a direct result of that calamity, the quest is now on hiatus pending a mechanics rework, as you will be able to glean from the next few threadmarks. I'll be working through the overhaul in the thread itself, and soliciting player feedback throughout. If you're just joining in, I'm sorry you have to enter during such a stressful time. Please feel free to join the discussion regarding the rework, and rest assured that this quest will continue. I look forward to seeing you around the thread.

Annoyingly, once things settled, people settled on just wanting the current iteration of the rules made public. It already was available for the asking, but apparently I'm intimidating. I didn't expect the scale of the rework to actually justify the scale of the meltdown, but it's a bit depressing that a salt-fest of such epic scale led to a change this small
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In retrospect, I made two mistakes, writing this update. My biggest mistake was in forgetting to mention why I chose not to break this update at the point where Kakara got her hands on Dandeer. The spoiler box up top was added afterwards; it should have been up there to begin with. Originally, I had resolved to break for a vote. Unfortunately, once I got there, I realized that it was mathematically impossible for Kakara to escape the fight, under the mechanics. Given that I have a strong conviction that I should never offer trap votes (where all choices lead to the same outcome, in this case Kakara engaged in combat with Yammar), I elected to just keep writing, and make my honest best effort at having her win. I should have explained that in the original author's notes; I don't remember why I didn't. Past is past, but my did it cause a lot of grief in this instance.

The second mistake was in my original handling of the vision from future!Kakara. Originally, she went hard on calling Dandeer stupid. Stupid this, imbecile that, countless insults thrown on Dandeer's capabilities. This was an example of unreliable narrator; future!Kakara does not like Dandeer, and hesitates to think well of her. So she tried to grind in the idea that Dandeer is an idiot, which is...really only true by relation to Kakara herself, who is a borderline genius. Namely, it's not true. Dandeer's no great thinker, but she has her moments. Neither Kakara is terribly well equipped to realize this, and in an ideal world, I could have showcased that, but...coming off of the thread's largest loss to date, I should not have then had a character seemingly grind their faces into the idea that they'd lost to an incompetent. Wasn't a good idea. Was not good QMing. The new version of the conversation, while in my opinion less true to future!Kakara's character, is probably a better overall way of handling it.
 
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Stop: I’m not angry I’m just disappointed
i'm not angry i'm just disappointed Let's try to take this from smallest to largest, shall we?

@Simon_Jester, these:

[Snip invective that I seem to recall being against forum rules]

See, I like how all the defenses of this kind of thing boil down to insulting the quest voters as idiots.

Were rather detrimental to the tone of the thread as a whole. They were small parts of your overall presence in this thread, however, and they amounted to very little compared to some of the other individuals in this thread, so on the whole you have simply received a 0-point infraction.

@Alectai, @paebel, @Carrnage, @EdinoiZ, your posts here:

What a surprise.

And it keeps hammering in that Dandeer is an idiot, which makes the players and literally everyone else in the universe dumber still for being outplayed by her at every turn.

So, yeah, no surprise that everything loses, because the heroes are just too skull splitting stupid to win even against a twelve year old.

At least I know for sure to write this quest off for well written trash now.

I'm mainly a lurker in this quest, and also incredibly salty, but I think the best plan is self-destructing and ashing the planet. Now that's out of the way, I feel like we have three paths before us here: raw spite (ashing the planet), something clever (that I suspect will fail for one reason or another), or just doing what the nice future version of us says.

Take Maya, the Senzus, and... how about that scout from the aliens, to tell us about the wider galaxy?

Major spoiler: vague hints in lieu of an explanation do not make conversations more constructive

I was going to try and leave a constructive comment here, but upon re-reading it I noticed that it quickly devolved into various bullshit things.

SO I am instead going to patiently wait for one of two things; the thread calming down; Poptart stopping by to provide that explanation. Have a great time, everyone!

Were detrimental to the tone of the thread, and as such run afoul of Rule 4. You each have received Staff Notices.

@KnightDisciple, this:

I'm just going to ignore the next 5+ pages of irrational salt and butthurt,

Was uncivil to the other users in this thread and detrimental to its tone to boot. You have received a Staff Notice for running afoul of Rules 3 and 4.

@Doomed Wombat, the attitude and tone of several of your earlier posts, best exemplified here:

Can I just reiterate my desire to leave?

Cause I really want to leave?

What has ever been here for Kakara? Responsibility she didn't ask for, judgemental ass-holes, uncomfortable veneration, the inability to do her own thing, the sins of the past constantly coming back to **** her over.

As far as I can see there were only three things keeping her on this scrap heap, her family, her friends and Jaffur, all three of which are about to be taken away so I say fuck this shit hole.

Lets leave.

Lets go find King Kai, learn interesting techniques, find a better seeing teacher, go to hell, shit if Freeza's down there lets go say hi, maybe he can teach us something.

Lets find the goddamned Namkekians and the dragon balls and wish Dandeer into a bloody fruit assortment.

This is a chance to finally be free of all these assholes and sins of the past!

@PoptartProdigy I'll be blunt I hated this entire arc knowing that it was going to end like this, I knew from the second Dandeer stick her fingers on Yammar and in effect rammed her hand up his backside to use as a puppet, you may deny this and yeah we might have been able to swing it around, but I have been resigned to it for a very long time now, but if this ends with us leaving this place, I'm perfectly fine with that.

When has it ever done anything for Kakara? When has it not been Kakara doing things for it?

Was detrimental to the tone of the thread at large. You have received a 0-point infraction and a 5-day threadban.

@deadcrystal your posts insisting that the matter that initiated this mess was unwinnable from the beginning and later initiating doomsaying about what is happening and what will happen next, examples of which I have linked to here, were phrased and put forward in a manner detrimental to the thread at large. You have received 25 points and a 5 day threadban for violating Rule 4.

@fictionfan these two posts that abruptly proclaimed the whole affair to have been designed to not be winnable, despite the QM's own statements and all prior evidence in the quest contributed to the rapidly-declining tone of the thread. You have received 25 points and a 5 day threadban for violating Rule 4.

@Varano, while it may or may not have been intended as humorous, proposing using an option that would relatively certainly bad-end the quest, when many people were actively discussing using that option explicitly to bad-end the quest, like you did in your post here was detrimental to the tone of the thread. You have received 25 points and a 5 day threadban for violating Rule 4.

@ShadowAngelBeta in your posts, one can see you first actively disparaging the quest here while the thread was rapidly continuing its downward spiral here, contributing to the lowering of the tone in the thread; and then here and here your insisting that the thread was not engaging in rule-breaking material when it rather plainly was, enabling and egging on its descent. This violates Rule 4, and you have received 25 points and a 5 day threadban.

@Gamerlord in addition to an instance of the behavior that has lowered the tone of the thread, this post here has you misgendering @PoptartProdigy. You have participated in this thread long enough that you should have had ample time to learn their preferred pronouns and this is not the first instance of you misgendering someone. You have received 25 points and a 5 day threadban for violating Rules 3 & 4.

@Laundreu, this is your second post in this thread after you had initially claimed to be leaving the thread, and in addition to continuing to throw out arguments phrased in a way that can be hardly anything but deleterious to the tone of the thread you seemingly are continuing to use your claim of leaving the thread as a sort of rhetorical device to defend yourself from having to actually debate or argue your statements. Hopefully your two-month threadban will be long enough for you to decide whether you truly wish to leave the thread or not. You have also received 25 points for violating Rule 4.

@jamie96969, you have made at least seven malicious uses of the "Funny" rating; it is theoretically possible that there are more that I have missed. In any case, for this flagrant misuse of the rating I have given you 50 points for violating Rule 3 and I have revoked your rating privileges for the next 14 days. I will also be deleting the malicious "Funny" ratings you made that I have found.

@NavySeel, your posts, examples of which I have linked here, have contributed significantly to the lowering of the tone in this thread. You have received 50 points and a 7 day threadban for violating Rule 4.

@chryssalideater, across the course of this thread you have engaged in behavior that has lowered the tone of this thread and in frankly uncivil behavior towards @PoptartProdigy. I have included links to an example of each here. You have also maliciously used the "Funny" rating. You have accordingly received 50 points for violating Rule 3 and Rule 4 and you have received a 7 day threadban.

@odin lowe, it appears that you have made roughly two posts in this thread since the thread's downward spiral began. Unfortunately, both violated the rules. This post violated Rule 2 by being a blatant violent revenge fantasy, and this post violated Rule 4 by utterly mischaracterizing @PoptartProdigy 's position. As that is all of your contribution to the thread, you have received 50 points and a 7 day threadban. Please note that while both posts contain entirely separate rule violations, for the sake of convenience the sum total of the infraction is being appended to the most recent of the two posts.

@anailater, the sum total of your recent posts in this thread - some examples of which I have included here - has consisted of Rule 4 violations through mischaracterizing @PoptartProdigy 's statements and generally disrupting and lowering the tone of the thread. As such you have received 50 points and a 14 day threadban.

@gamer50018, you have violated Rule 2 with this post, Rule 3 in this post and through multiple malicious uses of the "Funny" rating, and you have violated Rule 4 many, many times across the recent course of the thread - I have included some examples here. As such you have received 75 points and a 16 day threadban. As in one of the above cases, please note that while you have three distinct aspects to this infraction for the sake of convenience the sum of the infraction has been applied to your most recent rule-breaking post.


and while i'm here @Lailoken, your behavior here has been generally acceptable, but some of your rhetoric has gotten somewhat inflammatory. Please tone down the vitriol in your responses, and you'll be golden here.


official staff communication The thread is now unlocked. Please take note that if the general behaviors that led to the thread lock resume with this unlock, or if those who were temporarily threadbanned resume the behavior which they were threadbanned for once they return to this thread, more severe action will be taken as is necessary.

That will be all. Thank you for your time, and please have a pleasant day~
 
Non-Canon Omake: Live Forever
Live Forever


You're losing. Yammar is just too good; the largest willpower push the wards could survive wouldn't be enough to beat him. You need some way to hit well above your power level.
Jaffur's trick is out; pressing your essence into a diamond edge is not your gift. (Perhaps it never will be.) That leaves Tabe's. And right now, the theme is obvious: he never thought before acting. It sounds very much like he's reinvented the Ultra Instinct.
So (still fighting, still dodging and blocking desperately) you stretch yourself in a way you never have before. Not pushing your mind (you won't need it), your endurance, your durability - you don't need the future, only one single moment - you clutch at everything else you are, and push.

***​

As expected, Yammar blocks in such a way as to turn your punch aside. As expected, his arm shatters, as does your own. As expected, the real attack - a ki donation large enough to knock him out for some time - works flawlessly. You hope it's enough, because that was about all you had. You're not even sure you could make it out of the Hall to send a broadcast, but you don't have the choice; the vision is far too strong to resist now.

***
Gone...
 
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Non-Canon Omake: A Thousand Thousand Mirrors
Omake: A Thousand Thousand Mirrors

The dice did not look favorably on you, this time. You are heavily injured, but have three beans left. Your brief fight with Yanmar has made it abundantly clear how outclassed you are.

But the multiverse is vast beyond all telling, an infinite kaleidoscope of worlds, that extends even beyond even the prodigious knowledge of the Kaioshin of Time. Somewhere, at the tail end of a far drawn out bell curve, there exists another world much like this one…
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{X} Lie
-{X} IT next to dandeer to force him to talk, then lie and don't let up
--{X} This wasn't a fight
--{X} You are on Dandeers side
--{X} Blame, Blame, blame
-{X} Whatever you do, do not engage Yammar in a fight.
-{X} Keep a straight face, keep up the act

You take a deep, labored breath, and slowly extract a Senzu from your pouch. Okay, two left. You crunch down on it and feel it healing you. You can't go another round like that. You can't convince him to stand down, and who knows what he;ll do to your allies if you leave to go charge spirit bomb. That leaves only one option, even if it's completely insane.

Then you raise your fingers to your forehead, and IT to Dandeer, reaching out to-

incoming

It's not even ki sense that prompts you to duck; it's a flash of bone-deep awareness of peril that reminds you of your premonition and sends you diving for the ground. Then your ki senses warn you of Yammar's ki pulsing and flaring in a fired blast in a single instant, and a thin beam tears through the space overhead.

"Good reflexes," he remarks, completely untroubled. "Let's put them to the test." He fires again.

You hurl yourself to the side, wide-eyed. That almost hit me, that was way too close. I knew he was too strong, but!

Yammar darts forward towards you, trying to close, and you leap back, wide-eyed. "What are you doing?"

He gives you a confused look. "What are you talking about?"

tsew

You hurriedly block his strike and kick out to force him back, drifting up into the air and drawing back your hands. "Why did you attack me like that? That could have seriously hurt me!"

"This is a fight, Kakara," Yammar replies, sounding mildly puzzled. "If you weren't prepared to fight, you should never have engaged in the first place."

Well, here goes nothing. "This wasn't supposed to be a fight! Who would we have been fighting? You just went crazy out of the blue and attacked grandma!"

Deception, Kakara vs Yammar
K: 1d100 + 30 (Competent Deceit) + 15 (Yammar trusts you) +10 (Technical truth) = 91+55=146
Y: 1d100 + 40 (Talented Deceit) - 30 (Enthralled) + 130 (Very Heavy Evidence) =3+140 = 143

146 vs. 143, bare pass

Yammar stops, startled, and stares at you. Please buy it, please buy it… "But," he starts, then stops. He composes himself, then asks, "If that's the case, then what are Berra and my son doing here, unconscious? Why is Jaffur here? What was Dandeer doing in a fight between royals?"

You almost give up then, but then it hits you. He's asking, not dismissing your obvious falsehood. Did he…. actually buy it?

"Someone let Vegeta out of his seal, and he went after Jaron. I was training with him earlier this morning, but I don't have the experience to take him on, not and defend someone else. We came here to get help from dad."

Yammar stares at you, and you look back at him as guilelessly as you can before continuing.

"It went bad, quickly. Dad fight well, but he isn't equipped to fight against a hostage. He had to hold back for fear of hitting Dandeer. He tried to throw a powerball, but Dad knew the golden great ape form and easily cut off his tail, so he faked going down, blasted him in the chest, and then knocked out Dad while he was distracted."

Deception, Kakara vs Yammar
K: 1d100 + 30 (Competent Deceit) + 15 (Yammar trusts you) +30 (Cookie) = 98+65=163
Y: 1d100 + 40 (Talented Deceit) - 30 (Enthralled) + 130 (Very Heavy Evidence) =7+140 = 147

163 vs 147, pass

"That still doesn't explain Dandeer," the butcher says, gesturing to her position at your feet. "If Vegeta had her as a hostage, why were you the one standing by her body? You're her worst enemy!"

"The attack that knocked her out was the one that hit my; a blast that strong was enough to knock Dandeer out without ever hitting her." Taking a gamble, you push a bit further. "Besides, I'm not her enemy, Yammar. What possible reason would I have to dislike Dandeer?"

Deception, Kakara vs Yammar
K: 1d100 + 30 (Competent Deceit) + 15 (Yammar trusts you) = 35 + 45=80
Y: 1d100 + 40 (Talented Deceit) - 30 (Enthralled) - 30 (Can't imagine hating Dandeer) =75-20=55

80 vs 55, major success

Yammar almost looks lost now, like his very understanding of reality was suddenly and fundamentally confused. He looks at you almost pleadingly, and quite frankly it unnerves you. You'd never even imagined seeing Yammar like this before, and it makes you uncomfortable.

"What… What is going on? I was fighting Jaffur, with my son…"

"That wasn't Jaffur," you reply, a little more confident now. "That was Vegeta. After you beat down grandma, you turned on the next closest fighter and fought against Vegeta. You beat him, and then hit Jaron." You emphasize the last word, trying to bring attention away from the fact that Jaffur should have been sealed, directing his focus away from the threads that would unrival your web of lies.

Deception, Kakara vs Yammar
K: 1d100 + 30 (Competent Deceit) + 15 (Yammar trusts you) +30 (Cookie) = 81 + 65=146
Y: 1d100 + 40 (Talented Deceit) - 30 (Enthralled) + 130 (Very Heavy Evidence) =11+140 = 151

146 vs 151, bare failure

"Don't try to lie to me, Kakara," He shouts, suddenly seeming a bit more sure of himself. "I know my own grandson, and it was definitely Jaffur that I felt - and fought. You're good, scion, but not good enough."

Panic grips you, as he brushes aside your protest and settles into a combat stance. You pushed to far, too fast-

"Better… than you."

Your and Yammar's head snap over, to see Jaron pulling himself to his feet.

He looks exhausted. Whatever injuries Jaffur has suffered, it looks like they had at least some effect on Jaron. He weaves on his feet, and his breath comes harshly. He barely seems capable of talking, but he stands nonetheless.

[Failure bypassed]

The patriarch, no, Yammar, turns once more, bewildered. "I… but… the traitors..."

"I don't know what happened to you, Yammar, but you need to calm down. You attacked grandma, attacked Jaron, attacked the saiyans in the hall, and almost got me as well!" You punctuate each statement with a gesture - to Apra, to his grandson, to the Senzus lying on the ground where he left them defeated.

Deception, Kakara vs Yammar
K: 1d100 + 30 (Competent Deceit) + 15 (Yammar trusts you)= 76 + 45=121
Y: 1d100 + 40 (Talented Deceit) - 30 (Enthralled) + 90 (Recognizes Senzus) -30 (Doubting his perceptions) =41+70= 111

121 vs 111, pass

Yammar, miraculously, listens to your advice, and detransformes, although his power level remains high. "Ancestors, what have I done?"

You're glad he's facing towards you, since it means he can't see Jaron's absolutely baffled expression. Still, you keep control of your expression; there's no need to tempt fate. "It's not too late, Yammar. You didn't kill anyone, and things can be fixed. Let's get some senzu beans, and go get the others fixed up. He nods, turning to face them, and then you phase in behind him and knock him unconscious.
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You have won. The plan was incredibly risky, but with some help of some of the most insane die rolls in the history of the quest you managed to pull it off. As The Gold and The Spirit Saiyan, you have an unquestionable combat reputation, but if exile society learns of it this victory would still remain at the same incredible pinnacle achieved by Endivan. You have gained Elite Deception. What do you do now?

{} Senzu Bean
-{}Apra
-{}Berra
-{}Dandelor
-{}Jaron
-{}Yammar
-{}Senzu clan members
--{}How many

{}Wrap Up. Dandeer still has some people compromised, and you should get them out of the way before they can do any damage
-{}Sensei
-{}Guards

{}Write in

MANUAL MORATORIUM; ANYBODY WHO TAGS ME WITH WRITE-IN IDEAS WHEN I CALL FOR THEM GETS THEM FEATURED IN THE UNLOCK POST. APPROVAL VOTING, AS EVER.

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Obviously, this would be hilariously unlikely; I suspect the rolls would be even harder than here, for something this blatant, and even this was some pretty wild "luck."
 
Public Mechanics Reveal
Well, this has gotten somewhat morose. You know what might cheer things up?

RULES SCREEN UPDATE!!!

That's right, the mechanics are now out there and explicit, free for the reading in the Rules Screen, under Informational Threadmarks. In addition to this, I have done some minor changes to the Character Sheet, also under Informational Threadmarks. These changes include standardized language on traits, and some slight mechanics tweaks that were already in the pipe before this whole thing happened. Head ye on down and have a look at what we've got, if you've an interest! By all means, give me feedback on if I've overlooked some edge case, or if my explanations are unclear.
 
Mechanics Showcase: Showdown On Namek
[X] In order to trial the combat system, I want an interlude playing as Goku, during his showdown with Freeza.

Showdown On Namek
You are Son Goku, and behind you is the being who just murdered your best friend.

You tremble, an all-too-familiar sense of loss spiking through your mind. There wasn't even a body this time...

And then, from behind you: "I think the brat should go next."

The brat? What-? Gohan!

Choked noises make it out past your throat -- little snarls of rage that you have trouble telling apart from sobs. "You ruthless...heartless...bastard..."

Freeza chuckles.

Chuckles.

The bastard laughed!

Lightning flashes, and you shudder. Strange spasms wrack your body. Your head snaps up and back, in the grip of some bizarre sparking in your ki.

I can't get it out...

Waves crash on the shore of your little island as more lightning cascades down out from the sky. You see your shadow flickering wildly across the ground, and moments later, the rock beneath you shatters, cracks creeping across the ground from your feet before flying up into the air in the grip of your aura.

I can't get it out!

"I will...make you...suffer!" you snarl, shaking in fury.

More of the spasms race up your neck, forcing your eyes up to the sky again and again. Strange golden lights play across the ground in time with the spasms.

What is happening to me? What is this? I don't understand! Is this...is...

You force another spasm down, holding yourself as still as you can. You shake, feeling like you're about to fly to pieces.

I CAN'T GET IT OUT!

"HRRRRRAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA!"

As you scream, the tension shatters. The tremors fade. The flickering steadies into a stable, lethal, golden glow. You fall perfectly still, awash in light. A surge of foreign energy crashes through your body, and you turn, fixing Freeza with a glare that promises murder.

Yet even as the energy charges through you and whispers for you to kill this monster, you have enough presence of mind to remember your son.

Tearing your gaze away from Freeza, you look down at Gohan. The tremors return -- trying to force your gaze back around to your opponent. You keep them still, for the time being. "Go!" you snap. "Take Piccolo with you and get out of here, now! Find Bulma, find the spaceship, and go!"

Gohan hesitates, trembling as he stares at you. It's just a moment, but in the grip of this much power, it feels like an eternity. The moments stretch, every single quiver on your son's face lasting for eternities in your eyes. You wait. You wait so long for your son to get it together and just listen to you! You wait...

...but, in reality, you only wait a second. Your patience snaps, and you growl. "Do as I tell you right now, before I lose what little sense of reason I have left!"

Gohan flinches back with a shocked gasp. Finally, he says, "Okay!" and darts off to the side to collect Piccolo. You finally give into the tremors and whip back around to face Freeza. Again, they still, and you snarl with the releasing tension.

Freeza lets out a small noise, and you revel in the fear on his face. In a moment, he will be back to sneering. Back to his fucking taunts. In a moment, he will be as he was up until now.

But in this moment...he fears you.

And you savor that.




You have broken your limits, and become legend. Heaven help the planet.

Power Level: 148 million.

Willpower: +39.

Spirited Competitor [Foundational]: You live on challenge, and you thrive in the midst of struggle. You are never more alive than when you're at your limits. Reduce by one step the bonuses opponents get for overpowering you. Gain +10 on all checks against any opponent who at least matches your power level. Must pass willpower checks in order to avoid granting your opponent opportunities to improve their odds of success, unless you are already on the defensive.

Born Hero [Foundational]: Maybe your choices aren't always the wisest, but you try your hardest to do the right thing, and protect those who can't protect themselves. Moderate vote weighting in favor of acting in service of what you believe to be the cause of right, and moderate bonuses to all actions taken in service to that ideal.

Lifetime Warrior: You have spent your life in combat or training for combat, since you were a small child. You live for fighting. Gain a small bonus on every single combat check you make.

Tactician: Where might fails, wits must substitute. Gain a small bonus on all gambits to overcome or circumvent an opponent's superior abilities or strength.
Overall Skill: Exceptional.

Dueling [Exceptional].
Overall Skill: Competent.

Kamehameha [Talented].

Kaio-Ken [Competent].

Genki Dama [Unlearned].

Solar Flare [Competent].
Overall Skill: Competent.

Ki Sense [Talented].

Ki Control [Talented Reduced to, "Unpromising," by untested transformation!].

Flight [Competent].

Mind Delve [Competent].
Charging Turtle Style [Expert]. Involved Techniques: Dueling, Kamehameha, Kaio-Ken, Solar Flare, Ki Control. Penalized Techniques: Ki Manipulation (all save involved techniques), Team Fighting.

Privileges a close-up approach to combat, using blasts solely as a means of controlling the range, as finishing moves, and to contest other blasts. Somewhat aggressive.
The bastard who threatens everything you hold dear, and more. You will break him today.

Power Level: Currently 100 million. He's got more in there.

Willpower: +24.

???

Something to do with beating on inferior opponents?: Moderate bonus?
God, he's sloppy. You don't have a full picture, but damn.

Dueling [Competent].
Does nobody in this galaxy know how to train?

Death Beam [Talented].

That Ball Thing He Locked You In [???].
WHAT IS WRONG WITH YOU PEOPLE?

Ki Sense [Lethal]. He doesn't have any.

Ki Control [Incompetent]. No, there's just no excuse here.

Flight [Unlearned]. OH, COME ON.

Telekinesis [Talented]. Okay, fine, he can have one.
Tyrant Style [Master]. Involved Techniques: The ones he's shown you, presumably. Probably more he hasn't. Penalized Techniques: I dunno, maybe ki control? Ki sense? Probably working in teams.

From what you've seen, Freeza prefers to use blasts to force an enemy to maneuver or eliminate small threats quickly, and closes in close to do most of the work. This is...actually fairly dangerous, on its own merits.

Goku's sheet contains only what you need to run this fight; Freeza's contains only what Goku has analyzed of Freeza.

Before we vote on anything, perform a, "control the transformation," willpower check, with a DC of 110.

You may remember Kakara's old check. Even under her circumstances, she was significantly more prepared for what was coming than Goku is now. Thus, the DC is higher.

I'll accept the first roll somebody makes. d100s, please.

Also bear in mind that skills are relative to the state of the art of their time. Goku's time is significantly different from Kakara's, much less his place.
 
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