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Raditz's breath catches. He raises his head. "Then it doesn't deserve to stand," he spits. His irises shimmer in a bright, clear blue.
The first might benefit from skill training, if they have a way to artificially bump power levels for even a short while then it becomes a matter of applying that force at the right places at the right time. Dandeer's control makes the Lords sloppier than normal, that is not to say they're actually sloppy but rather that they're not fighting at where their skill levels would normally put them which is absolutely what's giving Raditz a fighting chance even with spell-support.Now the real problem with Head Raditz's new transformation is where the heck is he going to develop his Super Saiyan power? Can't exactly use the Hall - ward's too weak.
That being said, that spell that let Raditz survive and counter Super Saiyans is some horseshit, isn't it.
the spell is borrowing from the hits themselves the update wasn't even slightly ambigous about that. A conversion of (part of) the attacker's kinetic energy into stored power.The first might benefit from skill training, if they have a way to artificially bump power levels for even a short while then it becomes a matter of applying that force at the right places at the right time. Dandeer's control makes the Lords sloppier than normal, that is not to say they're actually sloppy but rather that they're not fighting at where their skill levels would normally put them which is absolutely what's giving Raditz a fighting chance even with spell-support.
And the spell I imagine is one that borrows from Peter to pay back Paul, that energy is coming from somewhere the question is where? My guess is potentially it's one that either effectively increases Ki through-put automatically like Jaffur's techniques or it's effectively charged yb other members of Clan Senzu donating Ki in a way similar to the Spirit bomb but this time collected via sorcery rather than the more pure and nigh-lossless power that Spirit Bomb could gather. Either way it's almost certainly more draining than even normal Super Saiyan but when you only need it for a "brief" fight that's the difference between walking away and becoming Dandeer's puppet.
Well, he'd need a super-saiyan grade ward under the House Senzu manor, I guess? I doubt that's really out of the question for Dandelor, given the bullshit he just demonstrated.Now the real problem with Head Raditz's new transformation is where the heck is he going to develop his Super Saiyan power? Can't exactly use the Hall - ward's too weak.
"But I thought you had to have a pure heart to become a super saiyan!"-only for Raditz to catch the blow. "You don't deserve to rule," he whispers. He blurs, and Berra-
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-transmits away just ahead of the strike, popping back in behind Raditz with his leg pulled back and ready to kick.
Raditz ducks the blow and turns, landing a straight kick into Berra's stomach and knocking him back.
Vegeta charges in. Raditz pivots to face him and blocks the first strike, mandala flaring before he releases that energy in a blow you simply cannot follow; one moment, you're watching the two men face off, and the next, Vegeta is already miles away, hurtling through the sky.
Raditz straightens. "My family does not deserve death for the crime of telling you, 'no,'" he hisses, fury contorting his face.
Berra bounces back upright and charges back in. Raditz rounds on him, and they exchange flickering blows. You feel the shockwaves from several hundred feet away. The glow from Raditz's mandala grows brighter and brighter with every exchange. Then, in between blows, Berra-
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-vanishes suddenly-
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-reappears with Vegeta in toe, both ready with blasts levelled-
-and Raditz unleashes all of that stored-up power, overwhelming their own blasts and blasting them far up into the sky.
He straightens; he shivers, releasing a shaky breath. The trembling intensifies; you stumble, trying to keep your feet. The ground splits at his feet, and his aura pulses wildly. "I...I won't...." He twitches, muscles spasming. His hair twitches, waving unnaturally even with the crazed rush of wind. He looks up at the two Lords as they stabilize their flight. "I won't let you decide our people's fate." He clenches his fists, throw back his head, and roars.
The world turns gold.
You and Dandelor stare, mouths agape, as Raditz's hair stands on end and washes out gold. His aura burns. Rocks shatter beneath his feet as the Head of House Senzu becomes a super saiyan.
Ah shit, they even did the pose!Then, her face morphs into a grin as that hand's fingers splay and curl into a claw held before her face, and the other rises off to the side, curled into a fist.
Your power stabilizes, and you dip down into a stance with your weight forward. One fist held low in front of you, the other high in back with fingers splayed to balance you. Goku style, you've been told.
and in the meantime he can still train his base form to the new cap.Well, he'd need a super-saiyan grade ward under the House Senzu manor, I guess? I doubt that's really out of the question for Dandelor, given the bullshit he just demonstrated.
Given what our Seer abilities are doing, it might be possible for us to contact him from way far away? They certainly weren't being limited to planetary ranges when they made us a Shade way out here, nevermind the fact we can scry back home. Not sure though.Also, Raditz doesn't know the secret of FPSSJ, so we'd have to hope that him or one of his allies finds out, or he'll have to go for ASSJ, which is still better than the regular one, but... well, you hit diminishing returns pretty quickly.
I think that to contact Dandelor (as we can only be seen by sorcerers or seers while in shade form) we'd have to basically leave Bassoon and use present-sight/shade travel to go back to Garenhuld.Given what our Seer abilities are doing, it might be possible for us to contact him from way far away? They certainly weren't being limited to planetary ranges when they made us a Shade way out here, nevermind the fact we can scry back home. Not sure though.
also... well, while we gave permission to Raditz to pursue the transformation, we never decided what to do about what comes after.
We had a nice conversation about a few potential option, from making the Senzu a third royal house, to possibly relaxing the restrictions on ssj by allowing selected people (knight order style) to pursue the transformation (preferably after being checked by both seers and mind-readers for trustworthiness, just in case), but we can't really decide until that happens, and the stronger Raditz becomes (or the more SSJs he gets under his command) the more difficult the political situation will be.
"YOU BETRAYED US," says Vegeta, his voice agony to your ears as it thrums with unleashed power.
"I fought for you," rasps Raditz, coming slowly and painfully to his feet. He spits blood and glares at Vegeta. "More than you deserved!"
tsew- WHAM
Berra smashes Raditz to the ground again. "YOUR ACTIONS HAVE DONE MORE HARM TO THE FABRIC OF OUR SOCIETY THAN A THOUSAND LORD ONIS EVER COULD HAVE," he said. "YOU HAVE PERMANENTLY TARNISHED THE LEGITIMACY OF THE LORDS. BY WITHDRAWING AND DEMONSTRATING YOUR ABILITY TO FIGHT US LIKE THIS, YOU HAVE GIVEN EVERY HOUSE THE INKLING THAT THE LAW IS OPTIONAL."
Vegeta stalks forward as Raditz slowly draws himself back to his feet, gasping for breath and hanging his head. "YOUR DEFIANCE HAS CRITICALLY DESTABILIZED THE FOUNDATIONS ON WHICH THE SYSTEM OF LORD RESTS. IT WAVERS, NOW, BECAUSE OF YOU. BECAUSE OF YOUR DEFIANCE, AND YOUR RESISTANCE!"
Raditz's breath catches. He raises his head. "Then it doesn't deserve to stand," he spits. His irises shimmer in a bright, clear blue.
The ground shakes beneath your feet, and the wind picks up, shrieking as it gusts in towards the three men.
Berra's eyes widen, and he-
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-phases forward-
THUMP
-only for Raditz to catch the blow. "You don't deserve to rule," he whispers. He blurs, and Berra-
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-transmits away just ahead of the strike, popping back in behind Raditz with his leg pulled back and ready to kick.
Raditz ducks the blow and turns, landing a straight kick into Berra's stomach and knocking him back.
Vegeta charges in. Raditz pivots to face him and blocks the first strike, mandala flaring before he releases that energy in a blow you simply cannot follow; one moment, you're watching the two men face off, and the next, Vegeta is already miles away, hurtling through the sky.
Raditz straightens. "My family does not deserve death for the crime of telling you, 'no,'" he hisses, fury contorting his face.
Berra bounces back upright and charges back in. Raditz rounds on him, and they exchange flickering blows. You feel the shockwaves from several hundred feet away. The glow from Raditz's mandala grows brighter and brighter with every exchange. Then, in between blows, Berra-
vip
-vanishes suddenly-
vip
-reappears with Vegeta in tow, both ready with blasts levelled-
-and Raditz unleashes all of that stored-up power, overwhelming their own blasts and blasting them far up into the sky.
He straightens; he shivers, releasing a shaky breath. The trembling intensifies; you stumble, trying to keep your feet. The ground splits at his feet, and his aura pulses wildly. "I...I won't...." He twitches, muscles spasming. His hair twitches, waving unnaturally even with the crazed rush of wind. He looks up at the two Lords as they stabilize their flight. "I won't let you decide our people's fate." He clenches his fists, throw back his head, and roars.
Well, I agree the current system isn't stable. We're lucky in that, once all of this is over, Kakara and Jaffur will likely be the Scion/royals with the BEST public image in Exile history, so EVEN if we relax the restrictions of ssj powers (we still want to at least CHECK those who achieve ssj power with seers/mind readers, but I would definitely like making it more accessible) they likely wouldn't see much opposition from other super saiyans.For all that they're being mind-controlled here, Berra & Vegeta aren't exactly wrong. This whole affair has been a pretty damning demonstration of all the flaws and weaknesses of the old system of governance - something Raditz seems to be realizing here, or at any rate fully embracing even if he was previously aware of it to some extent. I don't think changes as minor as "status quo but with another royal house/some individuals permitted to wield greater personal but not political power" are gonna cut it, when all's said and done.
about the "use wish to break Dandeer's spell"... are we even sure Porunga CAN do that?I know we gave him permission and the situation was dire enough to need it but I can't but lament the headache it would bring later on and that it might have been avoided if we used our first wish to free our people. As it is, i am more worried about such public and unmasked fights so close to the invasiin.
We really should use our free wish to solve the situation back home and we really should determine what was Dandeer's big spell to make sure it does not mess up with things before that. And we should determine who is leading the namekian invasion so that we could plan accordingly
What I am trying to say is, seer actions are probably best used to gather info instead of helping us train techniques because it gives us a better idea about what we have to do and we have already seen how important that is.
And won't actually be clearer unless we ask. Saying that it might not be able to is not really a valid reason not to check that it could.about the "use wish to break Dandeer's spell"... are we even sure Porunga CAN do that?
the limits of the wishing dragons have never really been made clear.
That would be true for any other method and we could actually know if she did if we checked, which we didn't bother doing. Even if she did think of that, rituals and specially big ones take time and resources. Basically, the longer we wait the more likely it is for herto have that and contingencies to block seer powers.Even if we COULD, though... Dandeer likely has other contingencies active, AND if we used a wish that way it would likely result in immediate open conflict. Dandeer might actually be spiteful enough to have prepared things so that if she falls, the Exiles fall with her.
Kakara knows that as a Vegetan Dandeer would be judged by the Vegeta clan. Not much she can do either way about that.Also Kakara (somewhat naively) doesn't want Dandeer to die, and I very much doubt a free Berra and Jaffur wouldn't go for the killing blow immediately.
Ignoring a solution to a current problem to save it for something that might be useful down the line is ill adviced. Specially since that current problem is getting worse the more we wait.About the free wish "beyond usual restrictions"... are we SURE we want to use it on that? wishes are a scarce resource, and a less limited wish than usual is even MORE valuable. Dandeer is a problem, but it won't be the last one. There's the other arcosians, of which the WEAKEST is about as strong as a FPSSJ. There's the fact we STILL don't have a way to train above FPSSJ while masking our ki (except training in heaven, which would only really be an option for Kakara at best). There's the enemy itself.
a few potential wishes:
1)ways to train without being sensed, be it an Hyperbolic Time Chamber or a garenhuld-wide anti-ki-sensing ward.
2)Informations on the Enemy itself
3)..the ssj god ritual? though unless gods are messing with our seer powers we should be able to go back and simply watch Shenron explain it to the z-warriors
4)...maybe making Kakara capable of magic? Not sure if we'd want it, as we already have quite a few things to train and that's kind of Jaffur's thing...
but really, I've wanted that time chamber for SO LONG...
I have serious doubt that current political structures will survive Kakara's return.Kakara knows that as a Vegetan Dandeer would be judged by the Vegeta clan. Not much she can do either way about that.
mh.. I suppose the only one that comes to mind is "Spirit Saiyan, then boost Dandelor/Jaffur to break Dandeer's spells"Do you have any other plan other than the dragon balls to disarm the Dandeer situation? If possible that are applicable before she orders the slaughter of the aliens coming to Garenhuld?
well, the two royal houses likely would. I'm still expecting that relaxing of ssj limits though. I don't think that law is sustainable long termI have serious doubt that current political structures will survive Kakara's return.
Only if we let it. We don't have to.well, the two royal houses likely would. I'm still expecting that relaxing of ssj limits though. I don't think that law is sustainable long term
well, why we could likely remove them, Kakara as a character DOES believe in the system of houses and nobles, at least to an extent.Only if we let it. We don't have to.
e: The houses, that is. Not the law.
I DO agree the system is unsustainable.On top of what Cariyaga said, I'd also like to cite again Raditz's discussion with Berra & Vegeta in the last update. The singular power of the royal houses has been irrevocably called into question, as has the wisdom of allowing it. There's every chance of the system not surviving in its current form even without Kakara doing anything to dismantle it.