This is not an update, for those drawn by the OP-word-count alert. It is a response to a
massive pile of questions. I will post a notice at 16:00 Greenwich Mean Time as to when you can expect the update.
@PoptartProdigy
If we want to do an action in secret (like mastering Ultra Super Saiyan), how would that work? A sub-option? Would the Deceit skill be involved?
You said that it would be a medium-high difficulty check to convince Fennella into sparring with us while we have our Masque on because most Saiyans dislike the Masquerade, but when we told her how powerful we were in our Masque she was impressed and expressed a desire to train in her Masque as well. This doesn't seem to add up.
Is Piccolo and Goku driving canon?
What was Mr. Satan's Deceit level?
Can we buy predictions from (a) Seer(s) to boost our actions? I mean yeah we're a Seer, but we haven't finished our training yet so I doubt we're as good as professional Seers.
Can we use the Helicopter Technique to improve our flight speed?
I asked which was more powerful - the Super Kamehameha or the Final Flash. You said they were equally powerful. I've come to the conclusion that may have been wrong. The Super Kamehameha's equivalent isn't the Final Flash, it's the Galick Gun (or at least an upscaled version of it). Those are the two techniques that went up against each other during the Saiyan Invasion and they were stalemated while Goku and Vegeta's power levels were equal. The Final Flash is - by design - meant to be a
way more powerful beam attack than the Galick Gun and should therefore be more powerful than the Super Kamehameha. That said, it seems to have more in common with the Tri Beam in that it's a fire-and-forget wave rather than the Galick Gun/Kamehameha which can be sustained. Your thoughts?
In the inventory screen it says that the weighted clothing does little to improve our strength. Does that mean they still provide a bonus to learning physical combat actions, even if it doesn't help increase our power level any more?
Is it possible to develop a Superpowered Good/Evil Side like in those other Shonen (Bleach and Naruto as examples for SES)?
If we see some boy pushing Maya the same way that kid pushed Sophie, will there be any vote-weighting against kicking that boy in the dick as a result of our Pacifism trait or will that be a kind of exception? What if we see a Roshi-type individual groping a woman?
Will Pacifism hinder our ability to learn Satan Style? Going by the description of the style, it seems less like combat and more like flailing around ineffectually. Also showboating.
Can we give Seer powers to people like that 419-er (forgot the race's name) gave to Bardock?
How does the Turtle Destruction Wave Wave differ from the Turtle Destruction Wave?
Instead of using our Masque to turn into a pure human, can we use it to turn into a pure Saiyan? Saiyan hybrids don't seem to have the same intuition for combat and ki that pure Saiyans have so it'll probably help if we practised our abilities in a pure Saiyan form.
Wow, you weren't kidding. Okay! In order:
Deceit would certainly be involved, and a sub-option to note that it's secret would be needed so I could realize that, yes. That said, for the above example the absolute biggest concern would be finding a way to practice without basically phoning everybody on Garenhuld with ki sense about what you're doing.
She was impressed and figured it sounded like good training and an interesting challenge, but the write-in as written presented it as Fennella being Unmasqued while Kakara sparred while Masqued. At the time I made an analogy about Usain Bolt responding to a challenge to a friendly footrace with a demand to run backwards. Sure, he'll most likely still win, but it's an insulting suggestion.
...sure?
Elite, minimum. Potentially Legendary by the end of Z's run.
You have very little disposable income, and Seers are pricey. But if you get some, or alternatively barter somehow, sure.
I assume you refer to the technique in the first sentence linked to
here? You could, and it would even technically work, but the difference would be insignificant.
I clarified elsewhere that they're equally powerful, but specialized differently. Bear in mind that the Galick Gun was designed by somebody with no understanding of Earth-based ki techniques -- which, going by Raditz, we can conclude means Vegeta had no idea how to
compress ki. That doesn't mean it couldn't be adapted that way, though, and I presume it was. Thus, the Galick Gun is the
direct equivalent to the Kamehameha. The Final Flash, however, is meant to be a wider-scale attack. The Kamehameha and Galick Gun I represent as single-target attacks -- while they certainly burst on impact, they're far more contained, being more coherent beams as opposed to the bowel-loosening terror of the Final Flash's wave. Thus, I've optimized them as being superior against single, coherent targets. The Final Flash is meant to be something of apocalyptic scope -- something that simply washes away all before it. This also ties into it being an all-at-once thing -- it simply
discharges all gathered energy for the attack at once, precluding compression or sustenance to any extent. I've optimized it as something that can do high "burst damage" across a wider area, but can't sustain its power for a beam struggle. Furthermore, the series shows that it can be the thing that's charged for several minutes, like in its first use, or something that's fired off quickly, like when Vegeta used it against one of the Cell Jrs. So I wouldn't necessarily call it more powerful -- I'm sure that if Vegeta charged a Galick Gun for as long as the first Final Flash at an equivalent strength, you'd see similar levels of performance.
To state this in fewer words: The Final Flash is, "Fuck
EVERYTHING in this general direction, right now, in one fell swoop!" The Kamehameha and Galick Gun are, "Fuck this
one thing,
really hard, for as long as I care to fuck it!"
It means, "No I'm not modelling it. They suppress your power level a bit so you can still take weights off for gaining an edge in a cool way, but if Toriyama can't be arsed on this point then neither can I." I ultimately decided that past a certain point of strength that Kakara rocketed past before she learned how to walk, there's no way to design dense enough materials to make useful training weights. I guess they could help your musculature? You're not really at much risk there, though.
If magic is involved, then sure.
You'd have no vote-weighting against yelling or standing between them and your friends and letting them waste their time trying to hurt you. Outright violence would be weighted against though, yes.
*errortoomuchBURNINGRAGEtoanswer* Urgh, Hercule. I'm getting to it, I'll give a ruling on whether or not it's even canon once I'm there. Whether or not it's penalized depends on my final ruling once I address it.
Kannassan. It's been tried. The failure to succeed leads many to conclude that it was either a racial ability or some form of magic use atop the Seer abilities.
Yes, I actually realized that one as I was writing through the earlier answers. I'll go through and make it just the "Kamehameha" once I'm less tired.
Fusing this last one with my answer to the below:
Oh yeah, in terms of pure power, Saiyan hybrids definitely have a leg up in terms of gaining it. In terms of skill and technique, however? That's a different story.
After a year of training with Mr. Piccolo, all Gohan could do was fly and Masenko. After who knows how much training with Future Gohan, all Future Kid Trunks could do was fly and Masenko. Despite being a god damn Super Saiyan after barely trying by age 7 and constantly being around people who could fly, Goten couldn't fly until Gohan specifically trained him and even then in the World Martial Arts tournament fired the Kamekameha instead of the Kamehameha.
Even outside of their initial phases, the performance of hybrids so far as technique goes has been lackluster. Gohan got his ass kicked by Cell even though he was his father's equal when it came to power. He also hasn't been shown to develop any techniques besides the ones he learned from Piccolo and Goku, and even though only showed basic stuff. We've seen a total of two moves from Future Trunks that isn't a basic ki attack or the Masenko - the weird hand sign thingy and the Heat Dome Attack. We see Goten and Trunks develop no techniques of their own outside of Gotenks despite having learned so many techniques as Gotenks.
It was Goku and Vegeta who first knew there was a level beyond Super Saiyan just by feeling that there was, not Future Trunks or Gohan. Trunks didn't know about the limitations of USS while Vegeta did despite being under the same circumstances.
I see no need to make that a matter of racial gifts. Goku and Vegeta are obsessed with combat, and the others all have other mitigating factors that explain the issue far more concisely than any genetic arguments. Be aware that my response contains some Super spoilers of minor-to-moderate severity and thus has been invisitexted to avoid bulky spoiler boxes constantly. Highlight at your own risk. ANYBODY QUOTING MY RESPONSES, PLEASE DO
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Gohan was a nascent, and later noted, pacifist. He had no interest in fighting and desired nothing more than to live a peaceful life. Thus, he trained only when forced to and had little knack or instinct for the art of it. It's not surprising that he held no drive to innovate along those lines. He doesn't train like anybody else in that series does, and that's what I identify as holding him back.
His complete retirement from fighting in Super only reinforces that in my mind. After all, if you don't put in the time, you're not going to advance anybody's understanding of the art of fighting.
Future Kid Trunks had an
extremely abbreviated training regime that almost certainly was missing several key parts. After all, although Future Gohan was more dedicated, he still had available to him only the training absorbed by Android Saga-era Gohan, and then a few years of experience. Not a lot to work with. Trunks was just working from an incomplete handbook and a lot of inexperience.
Plus, in Super he's shown to have incorporated techniques of his father's such as the Galick Gun and Final Flash, in addition to continuing to refine his sword-based fighting style and defeating Dabura as a freshly-ascended Super Saiyan 2 -- something well beyond Gohan during his fight. He's just inexperienced -- as DBZA puts it, he's green. A novice, an amateur. His technique improves significantly after real training.
Goten's only training at the point that you cite was Chi Chi. I am
not surprised that there were some glaring deficiencies in his technique. Beyond that, Goten makes rocks look smart. 'Course he screwed up the Kamehameha.
Trunks is an arrogant brat content to live his life as an arrogant brat. He shows no drive or ambition. I don't feel remotely shocked that he develops no techniques.
Goku and Vegeta, by contrast, are training addicts and, it could be argued, quite literally live to fight. They put everything into fighting and their techniques.
In short, the lackluster performance of hybrids is more easily explained by their personalities and experiences than by their race. It's a good idea, though.
To answer the original question, however, sure a Masque can do that. It even has. It just...didn't have any non-cosmetic changes. Saiyan hybrids already function as saiyans do, which disappointed the sorcerer trying that modified Masque out considerably.
And now I will sleep.
