Dragon Ball: After the End

googlyeyesultra · May 4, 2020

I enjoyed writing my first stupid joke omake enough that I felt the need to make another one. Please enjoy!

Gotta Kakaratch them all!

"Welcome to the world of Pokémon! My name is Okra! People call me the Pokémon Professor! This universe is inhabited by creatures called Pokémon! Since we had to flee from the Enemy, we've hidden here on Garenhuld. Our sealing mages have made objects called dragon balls to capture these creatures, and now we train them in the hopes of becoming strong enough to end our exile."

"First, what is your name?"

"Right, so your name is Kakara!"

"This is Clan Vegeta's Scion. He's been your rival since you were a baby. ...Erm, what is his name again?"

"That's right! I remember now! His name is Jaffur!"

"Kakara! Your very own Pokémon legend is about to unfold! A world of dreams and adventures with Pokémon awaits! Let's go!"

On that day, you chose Makuhita to be your first Pokémon. Despite being Scion, your fellow Saiyans had nothing but contempt for you. In their eyes, you were weak. You just didn't like to make Pokémon fight. While you still did your duty as Scion and trained your Makuhita until it evolved into Hariyama, you didn't catch any more Pokémon.

The enormous dragon descends from the sky. You and the other nobles (the only ones allowed to have evolved Pokémon) are gathered to meet it, along with no small number of supporters. As it sets down, roaring its name "Dazarel," your father's Charizard launches a Fire Blast, nearly blinding you. A Water Spout erupts from Yammar's Blastoise, but the attacks are not very effective. Apra's Espeon fires a Psybeam stronger than you've ever seen before, bolstered by a Life Orb, but it has no effect. Before you can even process what's happening and send out your Hariyama, Psychic waves radiate from the Dazarel, leaving you dizzy and stumbling away from the fight.

It's not working. With a little distance, you can see the Dazarel is laughing off the Saiyans' Pokémons' attacks like they're nothing. You know what you need to do.

Setting aside your disgust, you shout for Dandeer: "I need protection while I ready something. Give me a Substitute, a Light Screen, a Reflect!"

"You think I'm not busy right now? Shut the fuck-" You cut her off, shouting for other supporters to assist you. Soon, you're protected by shimmering barriers of energy and a floating Pokémon doll.

"Hariyama, I choose you!" you shout, letting him out of his dragon ball. To deal with something as strong as the Dazarel, you were going to need to give it everything you had.

"Hariyama, use Belly Drum! Take this Flame Orb! Charge up a Focus Punch!" Your Hariyama, burning and surrounded by an intense aura, leaps into the fray from behind the defensive barriers. With one massive punch, it sends the Dazarel flying into the air before it plummets back down. It's weakened, but not quite defeated, and you can't ready another attack that strong without it interrupting you now that it knows your tactics. Instead, you reach to your belt, and for the first time in your life, take and throw a dragon ball. The dragon becomes a burst of light, absorbed by the orange ball. One shake. Two. Then it settles.

You've captured the Dazarel.

Dazarel - Dragon/Dark

A cruel Pokémon which travels from world to world, consuming others to become stronger.

You gave everything you could in the fight against Dandeer, but Dazarel disobeyed you (you knew you should have gotten those badges!), and in the end, her team of psychic-types, even unevolved, was too much for your Hariyama. You whited out. When you came to, you were in chains, but you still had a trick up your sleeve. You couldn't beat her today, but someday you'd be back, stronger and with a full team, ready to liberate your people. For now, though, you could only use your Escape Rope, fleeing to some distant safe place.

"So, who are you and why are you in my ship?" the Namekian asks. "Also, this is a bit awkward, but my race doesn't have genders and I'm rather bad at recognizing them as a result - I'm not sure how I should be referring to you. Are you a boy? Or a girl?"

Cariyaga · May 5, 2020

Omake: Hyperbolic Time Chamber

It was finally time. After months of waiting, you stood before Porunga. Truthfully, it had come down to three things. The first, he'd already denied. That's fine, you didn't expect to be able to get effectively free teleportation anywhere as the gods themselves were rumored to have. The second was what you were on now.

"Porunga, are you able to create for the use of myself and those I choose to share it with a Hyperbolic Time Chamber?"

"I am."

Behind you, there was a sudden round of cursing in Bassoon's baritone. What was that about?

"What would be its limitations?"

"Two uses within a lifetime -- yes, being resurrected resets that, as will your return to your body," Your mouth snaps shut and Porunga continues, "Up to two years -- two days by the turn of your planet round the sun. As many can use it at once as wish, though leaving and reentering counts for the number of uses. It will be provided in the form of a unique -- not sharing space with any other such device -- door that may be moved as you wish."

"Very well. Then I wish for such."

There was a crack as if of thunder. There was one last expletive behind you. And then there was you, a young girl with a manic grin, faced with an object of mythical power to your people, and a race of warriors to train within it.

---

It had been decided after much discussion that troops would be sent in two month intervals for training with Kakara -- who had, after the previous months, been recognized as an excellent, if exacting, teacher. Twenty-five percent of them would cycle through at a time, followed by two months of training whomever Kakara chose, two months of purely personal training, and then it would repeat the following year.

The first round of troops marched out of the chamber after four hours dragging a massive quantity of carts out, staggered by seconds by the strange, temporally-warping properties the thing provided. But for a few, they had a strange expression of relief on their faces. They were followed promptly by the second set, looking concerned at their fellow. They dragged in practically trains of carts of water and a few of food for Perika, who remained in there the whole time.

And so it went for the following two days, until all had gone in at one time or another and come out with a thousand yard stare and more than a little paranoia on their shoulders, as if afraid that out of that door would come one of Kakara's -- the talk would bring the numbers to thousands, but there were truly only the four -- Multiforms to box their ears.

---

"Posture! I know your biology isn't that much different from mine that you can't stand up straight while fighting. If you can't even manage that much, how're you going to keep your family safe?"

"Theremin, focus your ki. You call that focus? You want a beam that can't be drilled through by anyone with a halfway-decent power level, you're going to need to work on your control."

"Bass, drop the center of gravity lower. You won't be able to hold yourself like that for long."

"Perika, Bassoon, again. Perika, I'll be calling out foresight for the both of you this time. I expect you to keep up, Bassoon."

---

By the time you emerged just before two days later, your mind buzzed with overwork. That was… not a fun experience, and toward the end you spent more time dealing with your own, Perika, and Bassoon's, mental health, than training. Ugh.

Still. Two years had borne fruit. Each member of the Namekian military was at minimum around 20 million power level, with their own fighting styles supporting that, with the most apt broaching 200 million, though even they burned out after a point.

On the other hand, you were pretty sure Bassoon was plotting rebellion with them. Eh. That was tomorrow thoughts. Or maybe next month. All you knew was that you were taking a break from training -- all training.

---

Over two years of teaching many namekian warriors, you have gained the Elite Talent for Teaching, Drill Sergeant, allowing you to teach numerous people at the same efficiency as with one on one training.

---

Not my best work, but eh, been a while since I've written anything.

PoptartProdigy · May 5, 2020

All right, folks, the vote is closed!

@OfSpaceandTime, I've realized that I forgot to give your omake a bonus. It's been so long, I've gotten rusty! Your bonus will be for training actions in Heaven.

googlyeyesultra said:
Thought I'd try my hand at an omake. It's a transparent excuse to tell bad jokes. I'm assuming this will get non-canon - for one, if this were realistic the audience would be groaning instead of laughing.

The Saiyan Seinfeld

Getting started with stand-up comedy was pretty hard in a society as reverential as that of the Exiles, but Arti had a dream ever since he saw a comedy special on human television, and he was going to make it work.

Convincing the restaurant owner to let him do his bit for the customers had been surprisingly easy - sure, Arti had had to pay for the privilege, but once people saw his comedic chops, he'd be getting a king's ransom to perform for stuff like scions' birthday parties!

It was time to wipe the nervous sweat off his face and get started. There wasn't a stage, so Arti had to hop up on a table.

"Hello, ladies and gentlemen. I'm Arti, and I'll be your entertainment for the evening." Everyone was staring at him as he cleared his throat.

"You all know what kind of car Piccolo drove? A DOOOOOOOOOOOOOOODGE!" That got a giggle from a little girl. That's good, everyone likes the Attestations of Rakkyo.

"Doctor Lychee, on the other hand, drove a Hatch-i-back!" That merited a smile from an older fellow.

"Goku drove a truck, but its instant transmission broke. Had to go all the way to Yardrat to get it replaced." A young man stuck his face in his palm, but Arti could see a wide grin forming behind that hand.

"Well, enough about cars, you all are Saiyans, you care about fighting! Let's talk styles! Trunks style is well-known for requiring a sword, but it's not the only style that needs special equipment. To really get the most out of the Vegeta style's Final Flash, you've got to wear a trenchcoat." Take a breath for comedic timing. "And nothing else." The little girl didn't seem to get it, but everyone else was having a good time. "More blinding than the Solar Flare, am I right?"

"Now, Master Roshi was a genius martial artist. That said, I really wish I could ask him one thing: doesn't shouting 'Thunder Shock Surprise' make it a bit less of a surprise?" Arti had his confidence, he had his rhythm, and he was having a good time.

"As a kid, I had some trouble keeping up with the genealogies of our ancestors. I had it in my head that Ox-King and Bull-Ma were related!"

"It took me a while to understand why one of the weakest Z-fighters, Krillin, had the Kienzan, one of the most lethal moves. Then it hit me - he's a kriller!"

"Head Raditz is a great guy, but between me and all of you, one time he had a little bit too much to drink and gave karaoke a shot. He sang Kelly Clarkson's old Earth hit with a twist - 'Senzu Bean Gone.'"

"You've all been a lovely audience. I was a little worried - see, there's one figure from our past that's notorious for heckling. I'm glad there aren't any Boooooooooooo stylists here tonight. Thank you!"

Arti hopped off the table and left the restaurant to laughter and applause. Maybe next time he'd even get paid!

Pf. Non-canon. Bonus to jokes. I'm sure y'all will find a way to use that.

googlyeyesultra said:
I enjoyed writing my first stupid joke omake enough that I felt the need to make another one. Please enjoy!

Gotta Kakaratch them all!

"Welcome to the world of Pokémon! My name is Okra! People call me the Pokémon Professor! This universe is inhabited by creatures called Pokémon! Since we had to flee from the Enemy, we've hidden here on Garenhuld. Our sealing mages have made objects called dragon balls to capture these creatures, and now we train them in the hopes of becoming strong enough to end our exile."

"First, what is your name?"

"Right, so your name is Kakara!"

"This is Clan Vegeta's Scion. He's been your rival since you were a baby. ...Erm, what is his name again?"

"That's right! I remember now! His name is Jaffur!"

"Kakara! Your very own Pokémon legend is about to unfold! A world of dreams and adventures with Pokémon awaits! Let's go!"

On that day, you chose Makuhita to be your first Pokémon. Despite being Scion, your fellow Saiyans had nothing but contempt for you. In their eyes, you were weak. You just didn't like to make Pokémon fight. While you still did your duty as Scion and trained your Makuhita until it evolved into Hariyama, you didn't catch any more Pokémon.

The enormous dragon descends from the sky. You and the other nobles (the only ones allowed to have evolved Pokémon) are gathered to meet it, along with no small number of supporters. As it sets down, roaring its name "Dazarel," your father's Charizard launches a Fire Blast, nearly blinding you. A Water Spout erupts from Yammar's Blastoise, but the attacks are not very effective. Apra's Espeon fires a Psybeam stronger than you've ever seen before, bolstered by a Life Orb, but it has no effect. Before you can even process what's happening and send out your Hariyama, Psychic waves radiate from the Dazarel, leaving you dizzy and stumbling away from the fight.

It's not working. With a little distance, you can see the Dazarel is laughing off the Saiyans' Pokémons' attacks like they're nothing. You know what you need to do.

Setting aside your disgust, you shout for Dandeer: "I need protection while I ready something. Give me a Substitute, a Light Screen, a Reflect!"

"You think I'm not busy right now? Shut the fuck-" You cut her off, shouting for other supporters to assist you. Soon, you're protected by shimmering barriers of energy and a floating Pokémon doll.

"Hariyama, I choose you!" you shout, letting him out of his dragon ball. To deal with something as strong as the Dazarel, you were going to need to give it everything you had.

"Hariyama, use Belly Drum! Take this Flame Orb! Charge up a Focus Punch!" Your Hariyama, burning and surrounded by an intense aura, leaps into the fray from behind the defensive barriers. With one massive punch, it sends the Dazarel flying into the air before it plummets back down. It's weakened, but not quite defeated, and you can't ready another attack that strong without it interrupting you now that it knows your tactics. Instead, you reach to your belt, and for the first time in your life, take and throw a dragon ball. The dragon becomes a burst of light, absorbed by the orange ball. One shake. Two. Then it settles.

You've captured the Dazarel.

Dazarel - Dragon/Dark

A cruel Pokémon which travels from world to world, consuming others to become stronger.

You gave everything you could in the fight against Dandeer, but Dazarel disobeyed you (you knew you should have gotten those badges!), and in the end, her team of psychic-types, even unevolved, was too much for your Hariyama. You whited out. When you came to, you were in chains, but you still had a trick up your sleeve. You couldn't beat her today, but someday you'd be back, stronger and with a full team, ready to liberate your people. For now, though, you could only use your Escape Rope, fleeing to some distant safe place.

"So, who are you and why are you in my ship?" the Namekian asks. "Also, this is a bit awkward, but my race doesn't have genders and I'm rather bad at recognizing them as a result - I'm not sure how I should be referring to you. Are you a boy? Or a girl?"

Very obviously non-canon, of course. Bonus to...interactions with Dazarel, actually.

Cariyaga said:
Omake: Hyperbolic Time Chamber

It was finally time. After months of waiting, you stood before Porunga. Truthfully, it had come down to three things. The first, he'd already denied. That's fine, you didn't expect to be able to get effectively free teleportation anywhere as the gods themselves were rumored to have. The second was what you were on now.

"Porunga, are you able to create for the use of myself and those I choose to share it with a Hyperbolic Time Chamber?"

"I am."

Behind you, there was a sudden round of cursing in Bassoon's baritone. What was that about?

"What would be its limitations?"

"Two uses within a lifetime -- yes, being resurrected resets that, as will your return to your body," Your mouth snaps shut and Porunga continues, "Up to two years -- two days by the turn of your planet round the sun. As many can use it at once as wish, though leaving and reentering counts for the number of uses. It will be provided in the form of a unique -- not sharing space with any other such device -- door that may be moved as you wish."

"Very well. Then I wish for such."

There was a crack as if of thunder. There was one last expletive behind you. And then there was you, a young girl with a manic grin, faced with an object of mythical power to your people, and a race of warriors to train within it.

---

It had been decided after much discussion that troops would be sent in two month intervals for training with Kakara -- who had, after the previous months, been recognized as an excellent, if exacting, teacher. Twenty-five percent of them would cycle through at a time, followed by two months of training whomever Kakara chose, two months of purely personal training, and then it would repeat the following year.

The first round of troops marched out of the chamber after four hours dragging a massive quantity of carts out, staggered by seconds by the strange, temporally-warping properties the thing provided. But for a few, they had a strange expression of relief on their faces. They were followed promptly by the second set, looking concerned at their fellow. They dragged in practically trains of carts of water and a few of food for Perika, who remained in there the whole time.

And so it went for the following two days, until all had gone in at one time or another and come out with a thousand yard stare and more than a little paranoia on their shoulders, as if afraid that out of that door would come one of Kakara's -- the talk would bring the numbers to thousands, but there were truly only the four -- Multiforms to box their ears.

---

"Posture! I know your biology isn't that much different from mine that you can't stand up straight while fighting. If you can't even manage that much, how're you going to keep your family safe?"

"Theremin, focus your ki. You call that focus? You want a beam that can't be drilled through by anyone with a halfway-decent power level, you're going to need to work on your control."

"Bass, drop the center of gravity lower. You won't be able to hold yourself like that for long."

"Perika, Bassoon, again. Perika, I'll be calling out foresight for the both of you this time. I expect you to keep up, Bassoon."

---

By the time you emerged just before two days later, your mind buzzed with overwork. That was… not a fun experience, and toward the end you spent more time dealing with your own, Perika, and Bassoon's, mental health, than training. Ugh.

Still. Two years had borne fruit. Each member of the Namekian military was at minimum around 20 million power level, with their own fighting styles supporting that, with the most apt broaching 200 million, though even they burned out after a point.

On the other hand, you were pretty sure Bassoon was plotting rebellion with them. Eh. That was tomorrow thoughts. Or maybe next month. All you knew was that you were taking a break from training -- all training.

---

Over two years of teaching many namekian warriors, you have gained the Elite Talent for Teaching, Drill Sergeant, allowing you to teach numerous people at the same efficiency as with one on one training.

---

Not my best work, but eh, been a while since I've written anything.

Non-canon (as it deals with future events) with the bonus going to training the namekians.

Pittauro · May 5, 2020

PoptartProdigy said:
Pf. Non-canon. Bonus to jokes. I'm sure y'all will find a way to use that.

We'll make Yammar and Jaffur laugh!

...or even better/worse: we'll make DANDEER laugh, and then she'll hate herself for laughing at our jokes!

Cariyaga · May 5, 2020

Communications: Elite. Talent: Comedy

Pittauro · May 5, 2020

Cariyaga said:
Communications: Elite. Talent: Comedy

Our diplomatic talks will be... interesting

OfSpaceandTime · May 5, 2020

Pittauro said:
Our diplomatic talks will be... interesting

Talk down the invasions by making them laugh their asses off.

Bakkasama · May 5, 2020

Kakara: Ok, I know your mom tried to brainwash you and succeeded in imprisoning you for several years for a crime she incriminated you of, but I am sure that if you don't crush her head like a grape then in a few years you will look back and laugh about it.
Jaffur: I somehow doubt that.
Kakara: ELITE TALENT ACTIVATE!
Jaffur: No! HAHAHA! CURSE MY MEMETIC! HAHAHA! ABYSMAL! HAHAHA! COMMUNICATION SKILL!
Kakara: And there was no mind control involved.

googlyeyesultra · May 6, 2020

So, after some discussion on Discord about how we probably could have seen some of what Dandeer had ready in advance, I thought I'd try to apply that for the future. I threw together a publicly-editable Google doc to try and keep track of some of the mysteries, unexplained behaviors, and so forth that are in this quest so that next time, maybe we catch stuff like Dandeer having controlled so many people.

Here is the link.

Chuck12 · May 6, 2020

googlyeyesultra said:
So, after some discussion on Discord about how we probably could have seen some of what Dandeer had ready in advance, I thought I'd try to apply that for the future. I threw together a publicly-editable Google doc to try and keep track of some of the mysteries, unexplained behaviors, and so forth that are in this quest so that next time, maybe we catch stuff like Dandeer having controlled so many people.

Here is the link.

You missed what was Dandeer doing with our energy, is Dandeer messing with her own mind, And how long do we have before the alien arrives?

OfSpaceandTime · May 6, 2020

Chuck12 said:
You missed what was Dandeer doing with our energy, is Dandeer messing with her own mind, And how long do we have before the alien arrives?

The doc is editable for anyone who goes to it, though I put them there.

Could you clarify what you meant by what she was doing with our energy? Or when this was occurring, I mean.

Chuck12 · May 6, 2020

OfSpaceandTime said:
The doc is editable for anyone who goes to it, though I put them there.

Could you clarify what you meant by what she was doing with our energy? Or when this was occurring, I mean.

After we exploded Dandeer was doing something in Progress At Last, we asked Grandma to handle but we never got word on what she was doing, I'm assuming it something bad.

Simon_Jester · May 6, 2020

@Chuck12

Would you mind clarifying what you mean by "after we exploded?"

OfSpaceandTime · May 6, 2020

Simon_Jester said:
@Chuck12

Would you mind clarifying what you mean by "after we exploded?"

I know what they meant. It was the vision in which we saw Dandeer cause herself the injuries which she later blamed on Jaffur to get Berra to side with her for the sealing. We blew the mountain we had the vision in into a crater after receiving it.

googlyeyesultra · May 7, 2020

So, I noticed a little discrepancy with Dandelor's version of events re: Dandeer killing the sorcerers.

PoptartProdigy said:
"But that's nothing compared to how much I hated you once I learned what you did to the Vegetan sorcerers," you hiss, leaning forward.

Her eyes widen...and then return to normal as her expression smooths out. "Of course." She looks over to the Senzus. "Thanks ever so much, Dandelor. That's going to make this harder."

Dandelor spits in her direction, stone-faced.

She sighs and turns back to you. "So my wayward apprentice-"

"I am NOT your apprentice-!"

"-told you some things he was able to scry," she says, looking bored. "I don't see why you're even bothering to mention this. You have to know that's a quick fix. Snip, snip." She makes a scissors motion with her fingers.

Note the phrase "-told you some things he was able to scry." Dandelor claims to have been there in person. Why would he need to scry it? For reference, here is the update where Dandelor tells us about Dandeer killing the Vegetan sorcerers.

Furthermore, scrying tends to be the domain of seers, not sorcerers. I asked Poptart on Discord if sorcerers could scry: "In theory? It'd be really hard to do it. It's really weird for her to put it that way, though. Unless she's using jargon you haven't learned yet and it means something different from when Seers do it? That would be irritating, but is that *it?*" (Poptart, as Kakara).

In short, something is screwy here. I suggest that, when we've got a spare sight action (and definitely before we go back to Garenhuld), we use a vision on the deaths of the Vegetan sorcerers. I'm not sure what we'll find - was Dandelor simply not there? Was Dandelor involved? Did Dandeer have a non-evil motive, like the sorcerers trying to do something bad?

buli-buli · May 7, 2020

googlyeyesultra said:
So, I noticed a little discrepancy with Dandelor's version of events re: Dandeer killing the sorcerers.

Note the phrase "-told you some things he was able to scry." Dandelor claims to have been there in person. Why would he need to scry it? For reference, here is the update where Dandelor tells us about Dandeer killing the Vegetan sorcerers.

Furthermore, scrying tends to be the domain of seers, not sorcerers. I asked Poptart on Discord if sorcerers could scry: "In theory? It'd be really hard to do it. It's really weird for her to put it that way, though. Unless she's using jargon you haven't learned yet and it means something different from when Seers do it? That would be irritating, but is that *it?*" (Poptart, as Kakara).

In short, something is screwy here. I suggest that, when we've got a spare sight action (and definitely before we go back to Garenhuld), we use a vision on the deaths of the Vegetan sorcerers. I'm not sure what we'll find - was Dandelor simply not there? Was Dandelor involved? Did Dandeer have a non-evil motive, like the sorcerers trying to do something bad?

It could be that she just assumed Dandelor was the source of ALL of Kakara's info.

Because Kakara is a stupid child who should listen to her ~~betters~~ elders and thus could have never figured out all that on her own.

googlyeyesultra · May 7, 2020

buli-buli said:
It could be that she just assumed Dandelor was the source of ALL of Kakara's info.

Because Kakara is a stupid child who should listen to her ~~betters~~ elders and thus could have never figured out all that on her own.

...You might be right. Maybe we don't go to all of the trouble of spending a vision on this and instead just ask her after we take her down or something.

Pittauro · May 7, 2020

buli-buli said:
It could be that she just assumed Dandelor was the source of ALL of Kakara's info.

Because Kakara is a stupid child who should listen to her ~~betters~~ elders and thus could have never figured out all that on her own.

I think that after all the problems we caused her we have at least gained some acknowledgement. I don't think she still believes we're the pawn of our elders/better.

Even if it might be nothing 1 AP to make certain of it is not too expensive.

Honestly, we don't use the sight as much as we should. Now that we don't have that block anymore we should use it more often, and NOT only for the more urgent things.

as a quick list of things we should try and see with the sight at some point

1)sorcerer massacre. something isn't quite right with what Dandeer said

2) Dandeer's past. when did it all go wrong?

3)the Sundering. Did Dandeer have anything to do with it? Did Dandeer cause it to ruin Berra's and Vegeta's friendship out of jealousy?

4) The Enemy/the fight vs the Enemy on earth (DEFINITELY not a priority, but something to look at in the future)

5)present sight on Garenhuld. Either centered on Dandeer or on the Senzu. It can probably wait until after this trip at least

6)Garenhuld pastsight: why are they afraid of the unknown? IS there some kind of sealed evil majin bu style that cause it maybe? some other secret group pulling some strings we don't know of?

7) pastsight: WHAT HAPPENED TO BROLY (if he's canon)? Did he have any descendants? Are they still alive?

8)...Maybe present sight on c17-c18? that's not a priority either though

9)future sight on our confrontation with Dandeer

10) Namek's invasion: how it starts, enemies techniques and power levels, if the katchin gambit will work...

11)vision of hell: what kind of dangers are in there? (I kind of expect this one not too work honestly, but it's worth a shot)

12)results long term of any of the "relax ssj requirements" ideas we talked about

and many more possibilities I'm probably not considering right now.

Chuck12 · May 8, 2020

Ight so operation NSA is a go! Also I would recommend checking our body we literally have no idea what they did to it. I'm just saying if it turns up we're chained up in an underwater cage thousands of miles away from civilization it would he nice to have a heads up. Also would be nice to know our body is still healthy and not cripplingly weak.

r s · May 9, 2020

PoptartProdigy said:
They remember Beerus, but not the ritual.

Still catching up on this, hence me quoting something super old. But still.

How do they remember incredibly tiny details, such as Gokus power level before he met Bulma, or how Freizas death ray worked, but forget something as incredibly major as how the gods they worship achieved apotheosis? Or why haven't they had the seers view the past en-mass to see the particulars? The same applies for old techniques, or capsules tech.

This has been the main thing that's been bugging me during the quest. Other then that it's pretty good.

Pittauro · May 9, 2020

r s said:
Still catching up on this, hence me quoting something super old. But still.

How do they remember incredibly tiny details, such as Gokus power level before he met Bulma, or how Freizas death ray worked, but forget something as incredibly major as how the gods they worship achieved apotheosis? Or why haven't they had the seers view the past en-mass to see the particulars? The same applies for old techniques, or capsules tech.

This has been the main thing that's been bugging me during the quest. Other then that it's pretty good.

to be fair the lords WOULDN'T WANT the god ritual to become common knowledge. What if the Enemy can sense god ki?

They could always have the seers look for it once AND ONLY once they decide to break the masquerade and go all out in trying to surpass the old legends.

About the lost techniques.. the ones that got lost were usually unexplained.

Mafuba: self trained by Mutaito, Muten and Tien. Also there might be some dislike for it because it's a bit too much like magic.

Thunder Shock Surprise: Only ever used by muten, and very few times at that.

Fusion techniques: never trained, only used in a short battle and usually at VERY high power levels.

Also seers usually are not also martial artists, which means they'd have low power levels that would make observing the techniques in a fight much harder to do.

Really, the ONLY techniques they could possibly look at and not be overwhelmed by the user's speed are Muten's, and they have so little training that they wouldn't understand much about how they actually work.

Same for capsule tech actually. They could go back and look at schematics/instructions, but would they be capable of understanding them enough to explain them to whatever saiyan tinkerer is available?

r s · May 9, 2020

On the God ritual:
Hmm. He probably can, given his power n all.

Though I suspect he has a antithesis of life thing going on, given the fact that the dragon says he describes himself as the void n all, and the MC described his tone as lifeless. So maybe not.

I'm getting off track.

I can see the knowledge being suppressed for the public, but it would still be kept in case of a existential threat.

And they should have the seers look for it now if they don't have it, instead of getting caught off foot by an existential threat, then having the seers search for it, then going through the trouble of finding 6 pure hearted saiyans to kumbaya it up. Tis only logical.

Thinking something like a hidden document for rainy days. They categorize potential pure hearted saiyans, and have the details of the ritual jotted down.

Mafuba:

It's been what, thousands of years since canon? All it takes is one person wanting to know mafuba for whatever reason (someone they worship uses it, utility sake, or simply wanting to improve in some manner), consulting a seer, and then writing it down (or a seer wanting to know it) in that time frame.

I highly doubt the fact that it vaguely resembles sorcery would cancel out the attraction to its raw utility, the fact that Roshi (a man who taught someone they worship a gods) made it, and the desire for saiyans to compete and improve. And do so every generation for a thousand+ years.

Thunder shock:

They remember Gokus power level when he first began his journey, along with a litany of other minor details. Feel like they would pick up on that at least once.

Fusion:

Fusion was shown off multiple times at a slow pace for Goten and Trunks to learn it.

In general on techniques:

Some of them are, and it only takes one picking it up.

As for them not being able to learn it, mind delve bypasses that.

Capsule tech was so widespread that it was ubiquitous on earth. There definitely was a "for dummies" guide somewhere. With that base they can build up from there.

Terrabrand · May 9, 2020

r s said:
Capsule tech was so widespread that it was ubiquitous on earth. There definitely was a "for dummies" guide somewhere. With that base they can build up from there.

Capsules were ubiquitous but they came from... Capsule Corp.

That's probably a trade secret. Use, sure, make? Unlikely.

r s · May 9, 2020

Terrabrand said:
Capsules were ubiquitous but they came from... Capsule Corp.

That's probably a trade secret. Use, sure, make? Unlikely.

Keeping information obscured from the public with something as widespread as capsule tech is impossible. There's the fact that all the people making it and all the employees a international company would employ would inevitably share that information.

And how companies would have to share that information with governments, or stop someone from figuring out and sharing the information on the web, or a thousand other things.

There's a reason why companies irl don't try to block information on how they made it, and instead place blocks on people making and selling it. The latter is infinitely easier and more plausible to enforce.

Then again it is dragon ball.

OfSpaceandTime · May 9, 2020

r s said:
Mafuba
*Snip*

Thunder shock:
*snip*
Fusion:

*snip*

Capsule Tech
*snip*

It's been 300 years, as it states on the front page.
Mafuba:
Mutaito, who was Roshi's teacher, developed it. When it was originally shown, it had lethal consequences for the user.
Thunder Shock:
From what I remember, Roshi used it so rarely that it's probably actually almost unheard of.
Fusion:
Fusion is more than just the dance. It's the proper power level matching of the two using it, as well as the correct angle. It's complicated.
Not everyone knows mind delve, nor would want that to happen to them.
Capsule Tech
The tech itself being widely available does not mean that the means which to make it were.

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