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Dragon Ball: After the End

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Logic dictates that whatever amount Jaffur knew was "more than what Kakara knew." It's a pity he didn't have time to pass on what he knew to Kakara before being forcibly Sealed; I wonder if he'll try to pass on that information to us if we can reach him telepathically as has been suggested and planned with the Senzus.
 
PoptartProdigy said:
No, you're nailing Jaffur. The stuff you're missing is a bunch of background scheming that needs to stay secret for now because it is all a set of massive spoilers. I mean, when I say, "You have literally no way of knowing how," it's because you literally don't have the evidence you need to make that inference. A lot of stuff was happening around the Sealing, and you only saw part of it. I've been bringing forward hints here and there since then, however.

Much like the Sundering with Berra and Vegeta, the roots of essentially everything going on in Exile culture at the moment that isn't an OCP has its roots in the Sealing. Kakara simply wasn't in position to pick up on all of it, so there's no way you all can know all of it.

Yet.
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So what you're saying is that there's more stuff that's bera's fault we don't know about?
 
Shit, now that I think about it, if Lord Vegeta was sealed in his sleep without waking up, why didn't Lady Dandeer do that to Jaffur, especially after she put him in a magical sleep? Was she not able to? Why wouldn't she? Did she really not know the sealing would go weird for Jaffur? Did Jaffur help seal his father and his mother seal him to cover up his involvement? Did Jaffur know and choose confront her after?

The sealing itself sounds really fishy.

*puts on tinfoil hat* is this an elaborate plot to push us and Jaffur together, and remove the current Lords from their positions? *removes tinfoil hat*
 
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Lailoken said:
Berra's screw-ups are bottomless.

We should go ask Yammar for the details.
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I suspect the details are such that, if Yanmar knew all that had transpired, he would do terrible things. Because Yanmar does terrible things when he's angry.

Since he has not done these things in this case, I conclude that he is ignorant of many critical details.

Since Kakara herself knows virtually nothing, there's no chance of her somehow putting together her own information with Yanmar's to useful effect. So I doubt we'd get much value out of Kakara comparing notes with Yanmar, at least not until she's further investigated matters (say, by getting into mental contact with Jaffur)
 
Carrnage said:
It's not that i hate him, i just think he's a bad ruler and a heavily flawed parent.
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Actually, I think we have confirmation he was a fine ruler, just a horrible spouse and father. Which he was worse at is debatable (I'm leaning spouse)

Simon_Jester said:
I suspect the details are such that, if Yanmar knew all that had transpired, he would do terrible things. Because Yanmar does terrible things when he's angry.

Since he has not done these things in this case, I conclude that he is ignorant of many critical details.

Since Kakara herself knows virtually nothing, there's no chance of her somehow putting together her own information with Yanmar's to useful effect. So I doubt we'd get much value out of Kakara comparing notes with Yanmar, at least not until she's further investigated matters (say, by getting into mental contact with Jaffur)
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I wonder how much Jaffur actually knows, though. The whole sealing buisness feels too fishy, and even if he knew something my gut says Lady Dandeer may have used magic to remove and/or suppress those memories. I think the consiqueces of the sealing are going to have extremely far reaching consequences like Goku destroying red ribbon army (I think) in dragon ball bringing about the androids in dragon ball z.
 
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Blonddude42 said:
I wonder how much Jaffur actually knows, though. The whole sealing buisness feels too fishy, and even if he knew something my gut says Lady Dandeer may have used magic to remove and/or suppress those memories
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That's possible, but then again the entire point of the Sealing is to make it irrelevant what a person believes or wants to do with their powers, even if they're a super-saiyan. Dandeer may simply not have bothered with memory alteration. Especially since we've seen the inside of Jaffur's head, where his saiyan personality is locked away, and he is furious.

I think the consiqueces of the sealing are going to have extremely far reaching consequences like Goku destroying red ribbon army (I think) in dragon ball bringing about the androids in dragon ball z.
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No way am I taking the other side of that bet. ;)
 
Anyway i have a question, what happens to kids conceived underneath a masque? are they saiyan? human? Unusually powerful human?
 
Blonddude42 said:
Shit, now that I think about it, if Lord Vegeta was sealed in his sleep without waking up, why didn't Lady Dandeer do that to Jaffur, especially after she put him in a magical sleep? Was she not able to? Why wouldn't she? Did she really not know the sealing would go weird for Jaffur? Did Jaffur help seal his father and his mother seal him to cover up his involvement? Did Jaffur know and choose confront her after?

The sealing itself sounds really fishy.

*puts on tinfoil hat* is this an elaborate plot to push us and Jaffur together, and remove the current Lords from their positions? *removes tinfoil hat*
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That is not hard to guess. She needed Berra's support of her actions to avoidrebellion. Bad enoigh it was that she sealed a Lord but had Berra not openly supported her she would have had riots for the coup she pulled. Had Berra not helped and had she sealed Jaffur as he slept she would have been killed by some Vegetan.
 
Blonddude42 said:
Shit, now that I think about it, if Lord Vegeta was sealed in his sleep without waking up, why didn't Lady Dandeer do that to Jaffur, especially after she put him in a magical sleep? Was she not able to? Why wouldn't she? Did she really not know the sealing would go weird for Jaffur? Did Jaffur help seal his father and his mother seal him to cover up his involvement? Did Jaffur know and choose confront her after?

The sealing itself sounds really fishy.

*puts on tinfoil hat* is this an elaborate plot to push us and Jaffur together, and remove the current Lords from their positions? *removes tinfoil hat*
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That's because she didn't actually seal Lord Vegeta, he's dead as fuck. She just stuck a random man under Masque.
 
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Gore17 said:
Now that would be interesting, and completely torpedo her entire claim to authority, plus a bunch of other stuff. And since she was blatantly ruling under false pretences, and Berra had aided her, he would be in deep shit.
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If there was even the slightest chance that had happened, Raditz would have suspected it and done whatever it took to get someone close enough to taste Not!Vegeta's Masqued ki. Since ki is unique to each person, I'm sure Vegeta's brother (or one of his immediate family, like the Sorcerer) could tell if it was him or not.

It's possible that the possibility hasn't ever occurred to any of the Senzus, and it's possible that it did occur to them but they have been unable to verify (or that Dandeer used a spell to modify the person's ki, but we have no idea if that would be possible).

It's unlikely, though. Much more likely is that Dandeer did exactly what she said she did.
 
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