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Strangely enough, on refreshing the page, Fluffers and natyasha(?)'s posts have been deleted? I think those are the differences.
They got banned

Edit: Both were apparently just made today, and those were their first posts.

We're they Sock-puppets or Something? do we have some kind of defense against that? What happened?
 
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If they are socks, then their votes should absolutely be discounted. Otherwise, not sure but leaning towards counting them.
 
Um, that does raise the question - are the votes of banned people accepted? I know what I'd say given that a software mechanic is practically a site ruling, but I'm biased.
They are not. Xon recently updated it so even suspended accounts aren't.

They got banned

Edit: Both were apparently just made today, and those were their first posts.

We're they Sock-puppets or Something? do we have some kind of defense against that? What happened?

Mods frown on sock puppets.

... I'll admit, I reported natashya as a potential sock puppet. By chance, I clicked into their mini profile and saw '1' for posts which, in a contentious vote and combined with just being a vote, is a red flag for sock puppets...

... I didn't expect anything to come of it, though.
 
They are not. Xon recently updated it so even suspended accounts aren't.



Mods frown on sock puppets.

... I'll admit, I reported natashya as a potential sock puppet. By chance, I clicked into their mini profile and saw '1' for posts which, in a contentious vote and combined with just being a vote, is a red flag for sock puppets...

... I didn't expect anything to come of it, though.
Okay, going to be honest Terra, that's kind of Scummy. It might have been socks, it might just have been People who had been lurking Making their first post for something they saw as making a difference.
 
Obviously, socks should be banned. But if we take that as a ruling, that means that Poptart has to do extra work finding out why they're banned, which seems unfair on Pop. In fact, how would they/we even go about doing that? I suspect that the internal tally's ruling will stand, if only because we can't actually tell what the reason for suspension is, and Pop already puts a lot of work into running both of their quests.
 
I am uncertain to how the tally works... But I can say that Andres, who had a 3 day ban from the thread has his vote still counted by the inbuilt tally. While Gore17 does not.

...So since you guys kept one that shouldn't be kept, and lost one that should be kept, call it even?
 
Okay, going to be honest Terra, that's kind of Scummy. It might have been socks, it might just have been People who had been lurking Making their first post for something they saw as making a difference.
Mods don't ban people based on the word of someone else.
Either there's matching IPs or cookies or something else that makes it evident it's a sock.
That's why when you report something, the staff go look.
Adhoc vote count started by uju32 on Mar 2, 2018 at 8:44 PM, finished with 813 posts and 111 votes.
 
Okay, going to be honest Terra, that's kind of Scummy. It might have been socks, it might just have been People who had been lurking Making their first post for something they saw as making a difference.
I'm pretty sure if there wasn't additional evidence on the matter it wouldn't have led to a ban, and that's a perfectly reasonable reason to report someone - the whole point of reports is to get a mod to take a look, they're pretty hard to abuse.

I am uncertain to how the tally works... But I can say that Andres, who had a 3 day ban from the thread has his vote still counted by the inbuilt tally. While Gore17 does not.

...So since you guys kept one that shouldn't be kept, and lost one that should be kept, call it even?
It might differ based on the length of suspension? This is apparently a deliberate move by Xon and SV's admins.
 
Okay, going to be honest Terra, that's kind of Scummy. It might have been socks, it might just have been People who had been lurking Making their first post for something they saw as making a difference.
Scummy would have been calling them on it. Reporting a potential sock puppet to the mods is not scummy.

Like, dude. I would have reported regardless of the vote. It was sheer chance I clicked in. The mods will act or not based on what they find.

So, uh. I'm offended you'd call giving the mods heads up on potential problems scummy when I only bloody mentioned it because of the confusion.
 
Okay, going to be honest Terra, that's kind of Scummy. It might have been socks, it might just have been People who had been lurking Making their first post for something they saw as making a difference.
Reporting if you have a suspicion is the right thing to do; I was actually going to compliment Poptart for not having socks before; After bad experiences with other massive votes, I tend to go through and check names out. (...I once found 17 or so sock puppets in a 40k quest..."In the beginning, there was man." On both sides, mind.)

Reporting somebody just lets the mods check. I couldn't get you banned as a sock puppet, for example, no matter how hard I tried.

Edit: when I checked yesterday, the lowest post count in the votes was 7 posts.... but they had also given 700 likes or so, which cleared them up as a lurker.
 
Actually, it's probably due to the reason for a ban. Andres got banned for being rude, which wouldn't really affect a vote, whereas sockpuppeting is vote manipulation.
 
I am uncertain to how the tally works... But I can say that Andres, who had a 3 day ban from the thread has his vote still counted by the inbuilt tally. While Gore17 does not.

...So since you guys kept one that shouldn't be kept, and lost one that should be kept, call it even?
Tally checks for suspended/banned/sock puppet banners, I believe. Thread ban is a separate matter.
 
Im not sure how this should be done? Maybe Stop it, then add their votes if they're given the all Clear?

It may be more fair to them? I dont know at this point.

God this is almost like some of the Waifu Wars?

Is that it? Is this thread trying to declare we need a Dragon Husbando?!

WHAT IS GOING ON?!

Scummy would have been calling them on it. Reporting a potential sock puppet to the mods is not scummy.

Like, dude. I would have reported regardless of the vote. It was sheer chance I clicked in. The mods will act or not based on what they find.

So, uh. I'm offended you'd call giving the mods heads up on potential problems scummy when I only bloody mentioned it because of the confusion.
Sorry there man.

Part of it was also me not entirely getting how the Mod system works so...

Yeah, Sorry I ended up sounding like a Jackass there.

But still this is...Probably the one turn of events few of us were expecting.

Helped clear some of the tension though? Maybe? Probably not.
 
Actually, it's probably due to the reason for a ban. Andres got banned for being rude, which wouldn't really affect a vote, whereas sockpuppeting is vote manipulation.
The confusion comes in from Gore's suspension, since we don't know the cause for sure - wait, let me check something.

But still this is...Probably the one turn of events few of us were expecting.
As before, I'm really surprised it took this long to happen.
 
The confusion comes in from Gore's suspension, since we don't know the cause for sure - wait, let me check something.


As before, I'm really surprised it took this long to happen.
Should we tag a mod to see why they were banned and if they were socks discount their votes?
You both got ninja'd.

Well, that happened. It's pretty easy to guess who did it, but I think it's best to just let the matter lie.

Man, this whole thing overshadowed my Impassioned Plea!

Since the vote is coming to an end soon, it's time for anyone undecided to step up. Frankly, I'd prefer a cute version of Dazarel forced to interact with people on a level that's not "Fear me as I eat you! Mwahahahaha!" Making your prey run in fear makes you feel strong and good about yourself - interacting with them when you don't have all the power is likely to wear him down. Unless you're a sociopath, people generally don't like hurting/upsetting other people - the natural instinct of a child seeing someone in need of assistance is to try to help.

It's kinder, too, to both Kakara and Dazarel - as others have mentioned, not only is it explicitly by the wording considered a less harsh punishment (solitary confinement with occasional allowed interaction with your jailor versus supervised freedom in your own body, only smaller), but being in this position will be hard for compassionate Kakara. She'll be putting herself in a situation where she has no way to improve his life beyond keeping the connection open - she can't bribe him with sweets, let him visit places, make friends of his own. Her only recourse and method of negotiation will be the threat of cutting him off and leaving him to stew alone again until she regains the patience to deal with him - all stick, no carrot.

And finally, this all came about due to RP spoilers implying that we might get a powerup from this. By WOG RP spoilers are extremely dubious things to base expectations on due to the nature of the RP, but if they are accurate then apparently the powerup sucks. Like, "super-powered evil form slowly corrupting you from the inside" level of suck. It's just not worth it.

Reforming villains into friends is a longtime tradition in DBZ, but never with a villain you've stuck in a cage and don't interact with. Those always turn out poorly.
 
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Okay, going to be honest Terra, that's kind of Scummy. It might have been socks, it might just have been People who had been lurking Making their first post for something they saw as making a difference.
addendum A report alone isn't enough to make us remove an account. We collect the evidence available to us and then make our call. Most socks are caught without a user report at all - but this doesn't mean you shouldn't report.

If you suspect a sock, report them. It's better than throwing accusations in the thread.
 
Okay, yeah, there were Socks.

Well damn.


I think it shows that both sides have a point of solidarity in respecting fair play. There was really interesting debate too. I really enjoyed reading it, rampant paranoia included.
Yeah, while we all got heated, I think most of us respect that it's the threads choice, even if we strongly disagree.
[information=Addendum]A report alone isn't enough to make us remove an account. We collect the evidence available to us and then make our call. Most socks are caught without a user report at all - but this doesn't mean you shouldn't report.

If you suspect a sock, report them. It's better than throwing accusations in the thread.[/information]
Yeah, I acknowledge that, That post was me being kind of a self-righteous prick.

Again, Im sorry @Terrabrand
 
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