Dragon Ball: After the End

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To be fair, that's more a function of how absurdly far-flung Garenhuld is.

Spoiler: For Instance:

On this map, find the spot of light both as far off the main galactic plane and as close to the right-side edge of the image as you can.

Congratulations, you have found Garenhuld.

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Can we use multiform to hide our training of Golden Oozaru, and the variations of the Super Saiyin form? I'm thinking, since power of the transformation is divided, and the base power is also divided, the overall power of a clone probably could be hidden by the wards.

 

[PoptartProdigy]

Can we use multiform to hide our training of Golden Oozaru, and the variations of the Super Saiyin form? I'm thinking, since power of the transformation is divided, and the base power is also divided, the overall power of a clone probably could be hidden by the wards.

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Inventive. In theory, yes you could. But you presently lack the capacity to make enough clones to divide the ki down, and as far as you know nobody's ever made enough. If you improve the technique, though...maybe.

 

[Quest]

Inventive. In theory, yes you could. But you presently lack the capacity to make enough clones to divide the ki down, and as far as you know nobody's ever made enough. If you improve the technique, though...maybe.

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Really? Half of Golden Oozaru is 750 million which is less than a Full Power Super Saiyin. We already know that two super saiyins can be block by the ward, so just having two clones should let us at least train Full Power Golden Oozaru and at one more clone should open up USSJ.

Theoretically, we should be able to train SSj2 as well this way though I think there might be problems in unlocking it while split apart.

Also, besides this, you said that Oozaru was a completely different body. Can we exploit this in training? I already know we barely sleep, but if train until we have nearly no energy can we switch forms and keep going?

Finally, is there a specialised fighting style for Oozaru form? Since it's a completely different body structure.

EDIT: Last thing, I swear. Can we get a better teacher of Multiform, or a group of saiyins to help us develop it more like a Think Tank in order to reach this goal of improving it? Since it lets us potentially greatly push our limits and power level, which would be huge.

 

[PoptartProdigy]

Really? Half of Golden Oozaru is 750 million which is less than a Full Power Super Saiyin. We already know that two super saiyins can be block by the ward, so just having two clones should let us at least train Full Power Golden Oozaru and at one more clone should open up USSJ.

Theoretically, we should be able to train SSj2 as well this way though I think there might be problems in unlocking it while split apart.

Also, besides this, you said that Oozaru was a completely different body. Can we exploit this in training? I already know we barely sleep, but if train until we have nearly no energy can we switch forms and keep going?

Finally, is there a specialised fighting style for Oozaru form? Since it's a completely different body structure.

EDIT: Last thing, I swear. Can we get a better teacher of Multiform, or a group of saiyins to help us develop it more like a Think Tank in order to reach this goal of improving it? Since it lets us potentially greatly push our limits and power level, which would be huge.

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Well yes, the wards would hold it, but your question implied you'd like to do this secretly. Renting out the entire Training Hall, while well within your rights to an extent, is not discreet.

Unlocking new transformations is not really going to happen while split, no.

That is one exploit, yes. That said, the "separate bodies" thing cuts both ways -- training with Oozaru does basically nothing for your normal form.

There is, and I'm writing it up.

You could certainly look into more focused research, though every technique has limits. Make a write-in for it next time we hit a yearly action turn.

 

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Well yes, the wards would hold it, but your question implied you'd like to do this secretly. Renting out the entire Training Hall, while well within your rights to an extent, is not discreet.

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Ah, I meant secretly as in hiding from the Enemy, since after the display we just did, we'd probably get a lot of political leeway from the population with such things.

That is one exploit, yes. That said, the "separate bodies" thing cuts both ways -- training with Oozaru does basically nothing for your normal form.

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I was thinking skill training, but if we make sure that we train stuff with Oozaru whenever we're completely tired could we use it for an extra or at least half an action? Maybe make it so that it increases the scope of a skill/knowledge training action.

You could certainly look into more focused research, though every technique has limits. Make a write-in for it next time we hit a yearly action turn.

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Ok. Every improvement we eek out with this, increases our training exponentially(?). And doing this also let's Kakara get a scientist's or artist's outlook towards techniques, which might counteract the malus for learning fighting techniques and raise the bonus for pacifistic ones.

 

[PoptartProdigy]

Ah, I meant secretly as in hiding from the Enemy, since after the display we just did, we'd probably get a lot of political leeway from the population with such things.

I was thinking skill training, but if we make sure that we train stuff with Oozaru whenever we're completely tired could we use it for an extra or at least half an action? Maybe make it so that it increases the scope of a skill/knowledge training action.

Ok. Every improvement we eek out with this, increases our training exponentially(?). And doing this also let's Kakara get a scientist's or artist's outlook towards techniques, which might counteract the malus for learning fighting techniques and raise the bonus for pacifistic ones.

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Gotcha. Yeah, that'd work.

Nope. Like I said, you basically don't sleep. But beyond that, twelve (now thirteen) actions is after you eke every scrap of time possible out of your schedule to the point of excessive perfectionism. I anticipated people trying various unhealthily-obsessed measures to increase time spent doing things, and evaded the issue making you already be doing those things on your own initiative. There is literally no further time Kakara could spend doing the actions you designate. Aside from what you all specify, she has no free time; even the rare occasions on which she sleeps are only taken when she starts feeling stressed (read: once she reaches the point at which further work isn't worth the stress of constant labor in terms of productivity), and even then are now used for Seer training homework. That would be the Watsonian answer.

From a Doylist perspective, however, I'm simply not crazy enough to open the actions budget up to the munchkining of my 40+ players.

A more experimental approach would not help with lethal techniques. A rifle is still a rifle whether or not you're a scientist on the clock of a bright soldier introducing some unorthodox modifications; it's still meant to shoot people. As for how experimentation will work...I'll think about how I'll handle it, but given that it's outright experimentation, don't expect consistent results.

 

[Andres]

I want to give all the ratings. All of them. Unfortunately, it is kind of unbalanced, so you only get a funny.

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I'm glad you liked it, but can you tell me how it was unbalanced?

The way I see it, the first technique is just a kick with a ki blast on the end, the second has the power only of a normal punch, the third is nothing more than running/flying away while crouching, the fourth is certainly powerful but not a guaranteed insta-win, the fifth is placebo, and the sixth is loudly jumping up and down with two peace signs in the air (or some variation thereof) to get everyone's attention"

 

[Aranfan]

Gotcha. Yeah, that'd work.

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So if we did find a way to get to SSJ2 without breaking the wards, would it be legal?

 

[Bakkasama]

I still love that somebody looked at an unusually dead part of the galaxy, found an unusually dead area within it, found an area within that which was completely surrounded by dead systems which were themselves completely surrounded by dead systems, looked at the the one exceptional feature in the center of that grand plane of death, and thought, "safe."

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And then, you have Earth:

Where can I hide the Egg of Buu? That planet looks empty enough, i guess.

My son might become the last namekian, I need a place to raise it... Hey! That planet looks like a nice place!

I need to send this magic box to the furthest, most backward place in the Galaxy. That planet will do!

Hahaha! We did it! We opened a portal to the mortal realm! Prepare to meet the hosts of hell... Earth.

We of the race of Makai will make this planet our new home!

This planet is completely isolated from the Galaxy community. Nobody will miss it if I plant the tree of might/turn it into a spaceship!

Where can I send Kakarot, that Frieza will never search? Meh, I will put some coordinates at random.

Well, this looks like a nice place to explore and visit. I wonder if they are receptive to tourists... shit, I landed on a local.

 

[Aranfan]

I need to send this magic box to the furthest, most backward place in the Galaxy. That planet will do!

Hahaha! We did it! We opened a portal to the mortal realm! Prepare to meet the hosts of hell... Earth.

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Well, this looks like a nice place to explore and visit. I wonder if they are receptive to tourists... shit, I landed on a local.

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Don't recognize these three. The rest I do recognize. Which were these three?

 

[PoptartProdigy]

So if we did find a way to get to SSJ2 without breaking the wards, would it be legal?

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Depends.

Did you get there by slaughtering the legions of panicking saiyans who responded to your ascension, by somehow hiding the achievement from them, or by diplomancing them?

 

[Aranfan]

Depends.

Did you get there by slaughtering the legions of panicking saiyans who responded to your ascension, by somehow hiding the achievement from them, or by diplomancing them?

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Let's say by booking the training hall to ourselves and only telling Berra after.

 

[PoptartProdigy]

Let's say by booking the training hall to ourselves and only telling Berra after.

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Then you'd have to fight to have it legalized.

And all of this presumes that the wards are upgraded to handle that kind of load in the first place, an improvement which is presently well out of reach.

 

[Aranfan]

Then you'd have to fight to have it legalized.

And all of this presumes that the wards are upgraded to handle that kind of load in the first place, an improvement which is presently well out of reach.

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So using Multiform to divy up SSJ power so much that going SSJ2 won't blow the wards won't work?

 

[PoptartProdigy]

So using Multiform to divy up SSJ power so much that going SSJ2 won't blow the wards won't work?

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Unlocking new transformations is not really going to happen while split, no.

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[Quest]

Nope. Like I said, you basically don't sleep. But beyond that, twelve (now thirteen) actions is after you eke every scrap of time possible out of your schedule to the point of excessive perfectionism. I anticipated people trying various unhealthily-obsessed measures to increase time spent doing things, and evaded the issue making you already be doing those things on your own initiative. There is literally no further time Kakara could spend doing the actions you designate. Aside from what you all specify, she has no free time; even the rare occasions on which she sleeps are only taken when she starts feeling stressed (read: once she reaches the point at which further work isn't worth the stress of constant labor in terms of productivity), and even then are now used for Seer training homework. That would be the Watsonian answer.

From a Doylist perspective, however, I'm simply not crazy enough to open the actions budget up to the munchkining of my 40+ players.

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A more experimental approach would not help with lethal techniques. A rifle is still a rifle whether or not you're a scientist on the clock of a bright soldier introducing some unorthodox modifications; it's still meant to shoot people. As for how experimentation will work...I'll think about how I'll handle it, but given that it's outright experimentation, don't expect consistent results.

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I was thinking more like modern day research rather than modern experimentation, like drawing innovation from Fusion experiments, using Sorceror lore, gaining insights from Seers, etc.

....I wonder if we can gain donations from the other Saiyins...

Like we'd need to pay for this and the Seer bonuses for our actions somehow, can we ask the Faith and others to donate the cash to allow us to put a Seer on retainer, and to fund our endeavours.

Like, there is a lot of historical uses of this idea and we have a proven track record what with unlocking Golden Ape. Basically a Grant which pools cash from the Faith, from the people interested in the clans and so on. Maybe we can also have the Seer invest the cash and offer to have Saiyin's money double, while taking some profit.

I mean, it's a viable idea and we can expand it into a Garenhuld company that makes the lives of all saiyins better. It shouldn't be too difficult to convince people, given that we're a demigoddess and it should hit many of our traits since we're achieving the goal of training ourselves and improving our people's lives at the same time.

EDIT: I mean, we have an awesome reputation. Let's use that to gain force multipliers.

 

[PoptartProdigy]

I was thinking more like modern day research rather than modern experimentation, like drawing innovation from Fusion experiments, using Sorceror lore, gaining insights from Seers, etc.

....I wonder if we can gain donations from the other Saiyins...

Like we'd need to pay for this and the Seer bonuses for our actions somehow, can we ask the Faith and others to donate the cash to allow us to put a Seer on retainer, and to fund our endeavours.

Like, there is a lot of historical uses of this idea and we have a proven track record what with unlocking Golden Ape. Basically a Grant which pools cash from the Faith, from the people interested in the clans and so on. Maybe we can also have the Seer invest the cash and offer to have Saiyin's money double, while taking some profit.

I mean, it's a viable idea and we can expand it into a Garenhuld company that makes the lives of all saiyins better. It shouldn't be too difficult to convince people, given that we're a demigoddess and it should hit many of our traits since we're achieving the goal of training ourselves and improving our people's lives at the same time.

EDIT: I mean, we have an awesome reputation. Let's use that to gain force multipliers.

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Write up a proposal like you're pitching it to Berra in person, so that I know exactly what you're after.

 

[Quest]

Write up a proposal like you're pitching it to Berra in person, so that I know exactly what you're after.

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I'll do it tom, when I'm not about to keel over.

Can someone point me to the post which explains how the economy works for saiyins?

 

[Bommelom]

I'll do it tom, when I'm not about to keel over.

Can someone point me to the post which explains how the economy works for saiyins?

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It basically attaches to the human economy. Masques earn money, saiyans spend it. Of course, there are saiyan shopkeepers and farmers. Stores and manufacturers. But the majority of saiyans work in the human world. That money eventually makes its way back out to the human world by way of saiyan business owners purchasing supplies or, failing that, saiyan suppliers spending money in the human world.

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Sci-Fi - Dragon Ball: After the End | Page 109

 

[Bakkasama]

Don't recognize these three. The rest I do recognize. Which were these three?

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The first is the magic box containing half of Hirudegan or however the Draconic Cell knock off is called.

The second is that there is a gate to hell (as in the home of demons instead of the otherworld) according to the prior 22nd world tournament fillers.

Last one is for Turbo from Dr. Slump, the toddler that repaired the Dragon radar when it broke while Goku chased Blue. Basically, Sembei Norimaki went to visit the great canon with his son, who wasn't even a year old at the time. The baby crawled away while he was distracted and a ship of aliens visiting the earth for tourism about the size of the one Friezw had last movie parked on top of him. The aliens panicked about landing on and killing a local and rebuilt him with their technology as best they could without knowing how he was before, making him super intelligent (to the point of him figuring out how the dragon radar worked at a glance) and giving him psychic powers (which he used to fix it without anyones noticing).

I mean, for all that people don't like thinking Dr. Slump as the same universe, a lot of things can be explained by it. I once tried to write a Hercule time travel fic that included as many of Toriyama's works as possible and it actually explained a lot of things of the series when taken all together.

 

[Andres]

...you know what, sure. I'm not going to balance it, but if somebody wants to make that one into an actual style with a focus and everything, these are the involved techniques.

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What parts of it are unbalanced? Copying my response to Bakkasama...

The way I see it, the first technique is just a kick with a ki blast on the end, the second has the power only of a normal punch, the third is nothing more than running/flying away while crouching, the fourth is certainly powerful but like the Kamehameha is not a guaranteed insta-win, the fifth is placebo, and the sixth is loudly jumping up and down with two peace signs in the air (or some variation thereof) to get everyone's attention.

 

[Bakkasama]

Right. Wrong choice of words. Are there penalized techniques? What is its focus, offense, showmanship, single opponents, tournaments...?

Edit: That holiday caption at the begining and the end of each post is kind of disappointing when I am writing in such a bland manner...

 

[Andres]

Right. Wrong choice of words. Are there penalized techniques? What is its focus, offense, showmanship, single opponents, tournaments...?

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Ah, yeah, the thing I posted wasn't the style, just the techniques used in the style. I thought the techniques themselves might've been unbalanced.

 

[PoptartProdigy]

What parts of it are unbalanced? Copying my response to Bakkasama...

The way I see it, the first technique is just a kick with a ki blast on the end, the second has the power only of a normal punch, the third is nothing more than running/flying away while crouching, the fourth is certainly powerful but like the Kamehameha is not a guaranteed insta-win, the fifth is placebo, and the sixth is loudly jumping up and down with two peace signs in the air (or some variation thereof) to get everyone's attention.

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As Bakkasama said; it's not that they're unbalanced, it's that that isn't a complete style. I don't like Hercule and thus don't want to work on it, but if somebody wants to do it for me, that's what they have to work with.

 

[Andres]

As Bakkasama said; it's not that they're unbalanced, it's that that isn't a complete style. I don't like Hercule and thus don't want to work on it, but if somebody wants to do it for me, that's what they have to work with.

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So does that mean the third, fifth, and sixth techniques can have actual effects beyond the mundane? It's fine either way.