Cariyaga
Handsome Gentleperson
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@PoptartProdigy Will Berra get a willpower roll on Kakara being shot, out of curiousity?
Dragon Ball: After the End
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...So, Zamazu and a lot?
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Kakara doesn't know.
An excellent question, meaning Kakara does not get an answer.
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...And now I just want to know purely because you want to be cagey.
Cariyaga
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Curse my burning sense of curiousity! Curse it!
Then how did the attack from Vegeta hurt us, if he was still in base form? Let alone blow a hole in our chest? As he must have been, since we did not detect him powering up.
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he transformed just as or just before he attacked
That isn't in the text anywhere. We don't feel anything before getting a hole in our chest.
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That's because he did it faster than we could detect and react.
That's literally what he had to roll for.
Step 1: Be Vegeta, turning from non-golden ragemonkey into base Saiyan
Step 2: During this process, regain (controlled) mind
Step 3: Return to base form, use ki control to mimic feel of detransforming ragemonkey (probably required an opposed roll)
Step 4: Maintain that while lining up a shot at Kakara (required at least one roll)
Step 5: Use ki control to slam PL to FPSSJ Max a picosecond before firing (required last, most difficult opposed roll)
Step 6: Watch that damn brat mostly dodge anyway, and retain consciousness (mostly)
Step 7: Oh Shit, Jaffur's pissed and coming right for m-
That's basically the situation Vegeta was in.
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He transformed as he shot. It was his final check; transforming quickly enough that he'd get Kakara before she could react. And then she was busy going into shock, so she never took the time in her internal monologue to go, "Oh, I feel a ki signature behind me." A lot of what happened passed beneath her notice.
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As I understand it, that's a combination of Vegeta having really good ki control, us being used to ignoring large amounts of the passive input from our ki sense, the multiple ki presences locked in combat around us, and the fact that our focus was on Jaffur and Dandeer, correct?
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Poptart previously mentioned that there was actually a die roll to see if Kakara would be the Legendary Super Saiyan.
Okay, there were in fact multiple rolls, with Vegeta having a fairly high chance of failing (in one way or another) to snipe us unawares like this.
Woohoo helping!
Also, if that's what we got after the omake bonuses were expended, WOW we must have rolled low on that one.
Given the frame of mind I was in, I'd say more "poorly phrased" than "disingenuous." What I was aiming for was more like:
"Poptart tends not to like highly detailed votes where we try to optimize how we do things."
You're more open to proposals to just do a different thing. But optimizing by adding more detail... I dunno, I've just gotten the feeling over the past, oh, 12-18 months, that it elicits negative reactions.
Berra is very likely to be unaware that Kakara's been shot. Because his world is pain right now. Like, worse than what Kakara is going through, and note that she has to roll a DC 86 check on the die roll just to pay attention to her surroundings. Berra's check will be correspondingly harder.
I'm quite sure there'd be SOME Willpower check DC he could conceivably roll if he knew Kakara's been shot, but I doubt he'll even know.
This is going to happen a lot isn't it.
[Somewhere in ancestral memorey, the faint ethereal echo...]
"doooodg-ah dammit."
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...Well. That, uh, certainly would have been an interesting reveal. Where was this said, and did she mention whether she was rolling for it since then?
HoratioVonBecker
Imperfectly Aligned
Darnit, there's going to be a similar roll every time she has a kid, isn't there?
Cariyaga
Handsome Gentleperson
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Poptart prefers to be referred to by nongendered pronouns (they, them, etc.)
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Pretty much, although I'd characterize that second one as the least of it.
Jaffur got one too!
I've noticed that, wherever I go, I see people talking about those kinds of very detailed votes. And overwhelmingly, outside of a few threads, people speak of them incredibly negatively. Combine that with the fact that I know voter participation drops when the vote gets like that, and it makes an uncomfortable pattern.
You get a lot of mileage out of that.
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Hm. Then I suppose the invisitext in Buzzsaw, chapter five, is not strictly accurate, in that JAFFUR DICE POWER is not strictly MAXIMUM. Only almost.Pretty much, although I'd characterize that second one as the least of it.
Jaffur got one too!
Hm. Jaffur as Legendary Super-Saiyan. Thaaat would have been an interesting and probably short counterfactual scenario.
...Now I'm tempted to work out a way to omake it.
I'm not going to tell you you're wrong OR right about this, but it does create roughly the dynamic I described:
We can't vote on the optimal way to do things, because we'd have to go into too much detail. One, you wouldn't like it. Two, you'd Lawful Evil QM it and we'd trip up from having forgotten something. Three, in a strictly simulationist universe where the QM is nonexistent or at least as-neutral-as-possible, we'd STILL trip up from having forgotten something. Thus, our only recourse is to hope that you'll have the character use their abilities in non-stupid ways while voting on broad directives. Which was the point I was originally trying to make to the person I was talking to.
You get a lot of mileage out of that.
What can I say. It's a nice, sustainable, green humor source.
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were they the only one, or are you rolling for every named character? I think i remember you saying something about rolling for sorcerer/seer abilities for most new characters we encounter. Or i might remember wrong.Jaffur got one too!
Of course, for all we know the Legendary super baby has already been born
On that note, if the LSSJ does not become relevant before the movie (and the movie is as good as we hope) will you take the concept as used there, or as in the old movies (+ eventually Kale, if she counts)?
Or are you using the Bringer of Death version, where i think he was kind of halfways between level 1 and 2, but can't be hurt by weaker attacks (...now that i think about it, he was about as strong as a golden oozaru, wasn't he?)?
By the way, new dbz abridged episode in (i think) 26.5 hours on twitch, and on youtube after that!
Just wanted to say it for those interested that didn't know it
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I roll for everybody. The Legendary Super Saiyan occurs on seven consecutive nat-100s.were they the only one, or are you rolling for every named character? I think i remember you saying something about rolling for sorcerer/seer abilities for most new characters we encounter. Or i might remember wrong.
Of course, for all we know the Legendary super baby has already been born
On that note, if the LSSJ does not become relevant before the movie (and the movie is as good as we hope) will you take the concept as used there, or as in the old movies (+ eventually Kale, if she counts)?
Or are you using the Bringer of Death version, where i think he was kind of halfways between level 1 and 2, but can't be hurt by weaker attacks (...now that i think about it, he was about as strong as a golden oozaru, wasn't he?)?
As with everything, my base is BoD, but they're slowing way down of late and don't respond to PMs, so LSSJ only starts where BoD leaves off.
!By the way, new dbz abridged episode in (i think) 26.5 hours on twitch, and on youtube after that!
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...maybe if you roll for every single saiyan, we'll have one in the next century
I take it's good news for you
here's where they announced it yesterday
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Cariyaga
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That's one in one hundred trillion (100,000,000,000,000) odds. I don't think we have to worry about that....maybe if you roll for every single saiyan, we'll have one in the next century
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Poptart probably thought the same about the scions being a sorcerer and a seer.That's one in one hundred trillion (100,000,000,000,000) odds. I don't think we have to worry about that.
Carrnage
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Speaking of, that was very lucky. If Jaffur wasn't a Sorceror it would be very difficult to prevent a massive cultural backlash against Sorcerors due to dandeer's shenanigans. seers would be easier due to how down low their involvement has beenm
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The odds of a character being BOTH is something like... one in 2000 or one in 5000. That is ridiculously probable, compared to seven consecutive natural 100s.
It's like the probability of getting in a car accident some time this week, compared to the probability of winning the lottery AND getting struck by a bolt of lightning, IN THE SAME WEEK.
...wow.
So, the odds of actually getting one is one in 10^14. That is, one in one hundred trillion
In the Exile population, assuming limited to no further population growth (population under a million), this means we can expect a Legendary Super Saiyan every... hundred million generations or more, that is to say the planet Garenhuld is fairly likely to die of old age before we see one.
Assuming a typical saiyan generation length of 25 years, the stable population you'd need in order to get an LSSJ on average "every ten thousand years" in that situation would be, umm...
[maths]
Let's see, ten thousand years is 400 generations under that math, so each generation would need to have (one hundred trillion)/400 equals...
250,000,000,000 saiyans. Which is probably enough to overpopulate a thousand worlds, given that I suspect you can't pack saiyans onto a planet very densely before they either eat everything that grows there, blow the planet up from internal squabbles, or both.
I don't know how many saiyans you think there were during the time before Frieza blew up Planet Vegeta, but you miiiight want to knock one of those successive natural 100s (a base population of 2.5 billion saiyans will have one Big Green Machine every ten thousand years) or even two of them (a base population of 250 million saiyans will have one Big Green Machine every ten thousand years).
If it was me I'd say five successive natural 100s. If you imagine historical saiyan populations as being higher, say, more like the 20th century population of Earth, I'd recommend six successive natural 100s.
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