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Vote Tally : Dragon Ball: After the End - Sci-Fi | Page 1274 | Sufficient Velocity [Posts: 31831-31998]
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[X] In order to trial the combat system, I want an interlude playing as Goku, during his showdown with Freeza.
No. of Votes: 22

[X] Not me.
No. of Votes: 18

[X] Me!
No. of Votes: 14

[X]In order to trial the combat system, I want an interlude playing as Berra, during his showdown with Vegeta Vegeta the Lord Vegeta
No. of Votes: 6

[X] In order to trial the combat system, I want an interlude playing as Goku, during his showdown in the cell games.
No. of Votes: 3

[X] In order to trial the combat system, I want an interlude playing as Future Trunks, in his fight against Dabura and Babidi
No. of Votes: 1

[X] In order to trial the combat system, I want an interlude playing as Vegeta, during his final battle with Goku.
No. of Votes: 1

Total No. of Voters: 43

Hee! :D

[X] In order to trial the combat system, I want an interlude playing as Goku, during his showdown with Freeza.

Your winner! I'm excited! I'll throw together a bare-bones sheet for each party and we'll get to it. This'll be a quick one, and heads-up, the updates will end up under Sidestory rather than the main Threadmarks category. See y'all around!
 
Alright, let's close this up.

Vote Tally : Dragon Ball: After the End - Sci-Fi | Page 1274 | Sufficient Velocity [Posts: 31831-31998]
##### NetTally 1.9.10

[X] In order to trial the combat system, I want an interlude playing as Goku, during his showdown with Freeza.
No. of Votes: 22

[X] Not me.
No. of Votes: 18

[X] Me!
No. of Votes: 14

[X]In order to trial the combat system, I want an interlude playing as Berra, during his showdown with Vegeta Vegeta the Lord Vegeta
No. of Votes: 6

[X] In order to trial the combat system, I want an interlude playing as Goku, during his showdown in the cell games.
No. of Votes: 3

[X] In order to trial the combat system, I want an interlude playing as Future Trunks, in his fight against Dabura and Babidi
No. of Votes: 1

[X] In order to trial the combat system, I want an interlude playing as Vegeta, during his final battle with Goku.
No. of Votes: 1

Total No. of Voters: 43

Hee! :D

[X] In order to trial the combat system, I want an interlude playing as Goku, during his showdown with Freeza.

Your winner! I'm excited! I'll throw together a bare-bones sheet for each party and we'll get to it. This'll be a quick one, and heads-up, the updates will end up under Sidestory rather than the main Threadmarks category. See y'all around!
Will we still have the opportunity to vote for the other two (Me! or Not me!) while you're writing it, or...?
 
Alright, let's close this up.

Vote Tally : Dragon Ball: After the End - Sci-Fi | Page 1274 | Sufficient Velocity [Posts: 31831-31998]
##### NetTally 1.9.10

[X] In order to trial the combat system, I want an interlude playing as Goku, during his showdown with Freeza.
No. of Votes: 22

[X] Not me.
No. of Votes: 18

[X] Me!
No. of Votes: 14

[X]In order to trial the combat system, I want an interlude playing as Berra, during his showdown with Vegeta Vegeta the Lord Vegeta
No. of Votes: 6

[X] In order to trial the combat system, I want an interlude playing as Goku, during his showdown in the cell games.
No. of Votes: 3

[X] In order to trial the combat system, I want an interlude playing as Future Trunks, in his fight against Dabura and Babidi
No. of Votes: 1

[X] In order to trial the combat system, I want an interlude playing as Vegeta, during his final battle with Goku.
No. of Votes: 1

Total No. of Voters: 43

Hee! :D

[X] In order to trial the combat system, I want an interlude playing as Goku, during his showdown with Freeza.

Your winner! I'm excited! I'll throw together a bare-bones sheet for each party and we'll get to it. This'll be a quick one, and heads-up, the updates will end up under Sidestory rather than the main Threadmarks category. See y'all around!
This will be REALLY interesting.

It also gives us a measure of how skilled Goku was under this system by Namek.

Will the battle start from when he arrives on the battlefield, or from his transformation?
 
Mechanics Showcase: Showdown On Namek
[X] In order to trial the combat system, I want an interlude playing as Goku, during his showdown with Freeza.

Showdown On Namek
You are Son Goku, and behind you is the being who just murdered your best friend.

You tremble, an all-too-familiar sense of loss spiking through your mind. There wasn't even a body this time...

And then, from behind you: "I think the brat should go next."

The brat? What-? Gohan!

Choked noises make it out past your throat -- little snarls of rage that you have trouble telling apart from sobs. "You ruthless...heartless...bastard..."

Freeza chuckles.

Chuckles.

The bastard laughed!

Lightning flashes, and you shudder. Strange spasms wrack your body. Your head snaps up and back, in the grip of some bizarre sparking in your ki.

I can't get it out...

Waves crash on the shore of your little island as more lightning cascades down out from the sky. You see your shadow flickering wildly across the ground, and moments later, the rock beneath you shatters, cracks creeping across the ground from your feet before flying up into the air in the grip of your aura.

I can't get it out!

"I will...make you...suffer!" you snarl, shaking in fury.

More of the spasms race up your neck, forcing your eyes up to the sky again and again. Strange golden lights play across the ground in time with the spasms.

What is happening to me? What is this? I don't understand! Is this...is...

You force another spasm down, holding yourself as still as you can. You shake, feeling like you're about to fly to pieces.

I CAN'T GET IT OUT!

"HRRRRRAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA!"

As you scream, the tension shatters. The tremors fade. The flickering steadies into a stable, lethal, golden glow. You fall perfectly still, awash in light. A surge of foreign energy crashes through your body, and you turn, fixing Freeza with a glare that promises murder.

Yet even as the energy charges through you and whispers for you to kill this monster, you have enough presence of mind to remember your son.

Tearing your gaze away from Freeza, you look down at Gohan. The tremors return -- trying to force your gaze back around to your opponent. You keep them still, for the time being. "Go!" you snap. "Take Piccolo with you and get out of here, now! Find Bulma, find the spaceship, and go!"

Gohan hesitates, trembling as he stares at you. It's just a moment, but in the grip of this much power, it feels like an eternity. The moments stretch, every single quiver on your son's face lasting for eternities in your eyes. You wait. You wait so long for your son to get it together and just listen to you! You wait...

...but, in reality, you only wait a second. Your patience snaps, and you growl. "Do as I tell you right now, before I lose what little sense of reason I have left!"

Gohan flinches back with a shocked gasp. Finally, he says, "Okay!" and darts off to the side to collect Piccolo. You finally give into the tremors and whip back around to face Freeza. Again, they still, and you snarl with the releasing tension.

Freeza lets out a small noise, and you revel in the fear on his face. In a moment, he will be back to sneering. Back to his fucking taunts. In a moment, he will be as he was up until now.

But in this moment...he fears you.

And you savor that.




You have broken your limits, and become legend. Heaven help the planet.

Power Level: 148 million.

Willpower: +39.

Spirited Competitor [Foundational]: You live on challenge, and you thrive in the midst of struggle. You are never more alive than when you're at your limits. Reduce by one step the bonuses opponents get for overpowering you. Gain +10 on all checks against any opponent who at least matches your power level. Must pass willpower checks in order to avoid granting your opponent opportunities to improve their odds of success, unless you are already on the defensive.

Born Hero [Foundational]: Maybe your choices aren't always the wisest, but you try your hardest to do the right thing, and protect those who can't protect themselves. Moderate vote weighting in favor of acting in service of what you believe to be the cause of right, and moderate bonuses to all actions taken in service to that ideal.

Lifetime Warrior: You have spent your life in combat or training for combat, since you were a small child. You live for fighting. Gain a small bonus on every single combat check you make.

Tactician: Where might fails, wits must substitute. Gain a small bonus on all gambits to overcome or circumvent an opponent's superior abilities or strength.
Overall Skill: Exceptional.

Dueling [Exceptional].
Overall Skill: Competent.

Kamehameha [Talented].

Kaio-Ken [Competent].

Genki Dama [Unlearned].

Solar Flare [Competent].
Overall Skill: Competent.

Ki Sense [Talented].

Ki Control [Talented Reduced to, "Unpromising," by untested transformation!].

Flight [Competent].

Mind Delve [Competent].
Charging Turtle Style [Expert]. Involved Techniques: Dueling, Kamehameha, Kaio-Ken, Solar Flare, Ki Control. Penalized Techniques: Ki Manipulation (all save involved techniques), Team Fighting.

Privileges a close-up approach to combat, using blasts solely as a means of controlling the range, as finishing moves, and to contest other blasts. Somewhat aggressive.
The bastard who threatens everything you hold dear, and more. You will break him today.

Power Level: Currently 100 million. He's got more in there.

Willpower: +24.

???

Something to do with beating on inferior opponents?: Moderate bonus?
God, he's sloppy. You don't have a full picture, but damn.

Dueling [Competent].
Does nobody in this galaxy know how to train?

Death Beam [Talented].

That Ball Thing He Locked You In [???].
WHAT IS WRONG WITH YOU PEOPLE?

Ki Sense [Lethal]. He doesn't have any.

Ki Control [Incompetent]. No, there's just no excuse here.

Flight [Unlearned]. OH, COME ON.

Telekinesis [Talented]. Okay, fine, he can have one.
Tyrant Style [Master]. Involved Techniques: The ones he's shown you, presumably. Probably more he hasn't. Penalized Techniques: I dunno, maybe ki control? Ki sense? Probably working in teams.

From what you've seen, Freeza prefers to use blasts to force an enemy to maneuver or eliminate small threats quickly, and closes in close to do most of the work. This is...actually fairly dangerous, on its own merits.

Goku's sheet contains only what you need to run this fight; Freeza's contains only what Goku has analyzed of Freeza.

Before we vote on anything, perform a, "control the transformation," willpower check, with a DC of 110.

You may remember Kakara's old check. Even under her circumstances, she was significantly more prepared for what was coming than Goku is now. Thus, the DC is higher.

I'll accept the first roll somebody makes. d100s, please.

Also bear in mind that skills are relative to the state of the art of their time. Goku's time is significantly different from Kakara's, much less his place.
 
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Alright, I really should be off to bed. I'll present voting options tomorrow.

Now, in general, what blowing this check means is that Goku's going to get some massive vote weighting on his options until he:
  1. Snaps out of it.
  2. Gets snapped out of it, by way of losing the transformation.
This is a function of the super saiyan transformation. I make no claims regarding any other transformations; each one is unique.
 
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It's interesting that Freeza is a Master of Tyrant style, given how sloppy he is everywhere else we can see. A function of being the creator?
 
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It's interesting that Freeza is a Master of Tyrant style, given how sloppy he is everywhere else we can see. A function of being the creator?
It is probably to reflect how effective itis. From the flavor text, it seems to take advantage of his overwhelming power level to deal with smaller threats first and then crush their opponent. Considering how strong he is, he probably only does that most of the time so it could be Master to reflect the massive bonus he gets in the situations he faces most of the time, which aren't suited for one on one combat against a peer opponent, hence Goku's opinion of his skills.

I mean, he probably gets a massive bonus to crowd fighting in liau that he cares not about collateral damage and can survive blowing up the planet. Even with the power level advantage, you probably get massive bonus given how effective that is for killing everyone around.
 
It is probably to reflect how effective itis. From the flavor text, it seems to take advantage of his overwhelming power level to deal with smaller threats first and then crush their opponent. Considering how strong he is, he probably only does that most of the time so it could be Master to reflect the massive bonus he gets in the situations he faces most of the time, which aren't suited for one on one combat against a peer opponent, hence Goku's opinion of his skills.

I mean, he probably gets a massive bonus to crowd fighting in liau that he cares not about collateral damage and can survive blowing up the planet. Even with the power level advantage, you probably get massive bonus given how effective that is for killing everyone around.
I would expect that to be modeled as Penalised(Collateral damage, Non-lethal damage) and Involved(Hand-To-Hand:Crowd Fighting (Extreme)) though, because you're describing facets of the style itself. The Master rating is explicitly showing Freeza's mastery of the style, not the strength of the style itself. Otherwise how would you model someone better at the style than Freeza is, if he's not actually a Master?
 
So, from his skills, it seems like the best strategy here is to go up to him and punch him.

That or sneak attacks taking advantage of solar flare and current speed superiority due to him suppresing his power.
 
Mechanics Showcase: Voting Time
Alright, with the willpower check blown, Goku is now suffering heavy vote weighting. Here are your options for the upcoming brawl:

[ ] Dart in close and take your time with this bastard. Let him feel how helpless he is. Don't go straight for the kill; just spend your time knocking him around. (Canon route, x2 vote weighting.)
[ ] Get in there and kill him immediately. Your son is still here.
[ ] You're not much one for blasts, but Freeza must know that too, by now. How furious would he be if blasting was all you decided to do right now? Make him dance. (x2 vote weighting.)
[ ] Fire up a Kamehameha and erase him. Let him feel what Krillin felt.
[ ] Write-in.

MANUAL MORATORIUM; APPROVAL VOTING.

I've done some slight tweaks to the combat system -- mostly just condensing the number of rolls I make. It was getting excessive. That said, this combat should play out pretty much how combats in this quest tend to, mechanically.

Also, I've decided to host this series in the main threadmarks after all. I'll move them to Sidestory once we're done, but for now this is the main attraction. Have fun, folks!
 
[] Let him power up to 100% if he promises Pizza, the better to denormalize him

[] Use your second greatest invention, the delayed Kamehameha
[ ] Get in there and kill him immediately. Your son is still here.

Let's see if Goku can be a good dad.
He already is, except *maybe* during. Buu arc. I don't disagree with the vote, but bad dad Goku is a TFS joke and not actually canon (may be missing thr joke, if this is meant as one; ignore if so).

Not a bad vote by any means, just my pet peeve in the reasoning.
 
While the smart thing to do is probably to get in there and kill him immediately, the point of this is to have a clear idea of how combat mechanics work, so I think we should aim for canon for now. Ki blasts would tire us faster anderasing him with a kamehameha when we don't know how high a power level he is hiding seems like a way to end up too tired to fight if he survives.
 
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