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Well, you could always assume Freeza has an energy powered regen power. In which case Goku isn't healing him, he's enabling him healing himself.

It's not like we haven't seen self regenerators in DBZ. Piccolo, Majin Buu, Cell...

I mean, it's possible, but given what he was like otherwise, I would think he'd boast about that. That said, helping others heal themselves is sort of how I envision ki healing going ordinarily, in that it overcharges the body's healing process.

EDIT: also, I would assume that if that were the case, Freeza's recovery would have involved fewer cybernetics and more sitting around patiently.
 
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My theory is that the two are the same branch of the same skill, but what Goku did is the equivalent of throwing a rock, and what Dende did is the equivalent of a trebuchet. After all, Goku managed to keep Freeza from bleeding out from a bisection and a severed arm (for the five seconds Freeza took to try to back-stab him), so there's something to that beyond mere energy. That said, there's a gift and/or a lot of training involved.

Ah. I always assumed that the receiver's body just naturally used it to strengthen and somewhat repair itself while Dende wasn't donating so much as guiding a sort of sophisticated ki surgery to intelligently repair the specific injuries directly. It sounded like Goku was less concerned about Freiza hemorrhaging (he'd have died in seconds if he didn't have some sort of natural resistance and it's not unreasonable for a space-adapted creature who doesn't mind living in vacuum) and more about him not being able to move or resist the coming blast.
 
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[X] "You know what? Fine." Fight Jaffur. It's what he wants.
-[X] x2.0 Give him the Senzu bean first. "I wish to challenge your TRUE power, not this broken wreck."
 
[X] You know what? Fine. Fight Jaffur. It's what he wants.
-[X] x2.0 Give him the Senzu bean first. I wish to challenge your TRUE power, not this broken wreck.
(6 votes x2.0 for vote weighting) 12 votes

[x] You know what? Fine. Fight Jaffur. It's what he wants.
-[x] x1.5 Try to give him a dose of ki healing -- what little you're capable of, at least. (Communications to convince him to allow it)
(7 votes x1.5 for vote weighting and with rounding) 11 votes

[X] You know what? Fine. Fight Jaffur. It's what he wants.
-[X] Feed him the bean after you've beaten him and then leave.
(1 vote x2.0 for vote weighting because it involves giving him the Senzu somehow) 2 votes

[X] Instant transmit him into intergalactic space. Forge a note saying that he ran away to join the circus. Marry Betarel. Unite the clans. Return to the dragon waiting in Sol and use the second wish he still owes us to resurrect the Z Fighters. Conquer the universe. Conquer the other universe.
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It would seem that you're going to agree to fight and try to get him to eat a Senzu first. Bear in mind that this trips a Communication check that I haven't even made yet, so don't be surprised if this turns out failing. Given how close this is, I'll add a touch of riot voting and say that offering ki healing is your backup option if he refuses. This also trips Communication.

Update up soon! Given that this one will entail combat, expect it to be a bit longer.
 
It would seem that you're going to agree to fight and try to get him to eat a Senzu first. Bear in mind that this trips a Communication check that I haven't even made yet, so don't be surprised if this turns out failing. Given how close this is, I'll add a touch of riot voting and say that offering ki healing is your backup option if he refuses. This also trips Communication.

Update up soon! Given that this one will entail combat, expect it to be a bit longer.

This sounds both fair and reasonable, especially given the closeness of the votes. This hill is comfy, but the other isn't bad.
 
While I did vote to give the senzu bean, isn't it a bit suspect to equate "give it before" and "give it after"? Because that's really not the same.
 
While I did vote to give the senzu bean, isn't it a bit suspect to equate "give it before" and "give it after"? Because that's really not the same.

I'm not sure how you mean. I have you down as one of those voting for giving him the bean first, and somebody else as voting for giving it to him after you kick his ass. And I count them as separate votes, with giving the bean first winning. Are you talking about the way I weight votes? In this case, anything involving giving him the bean gave a x2.0 modifier, since the root of Kakara's conflict sprouted from really wanting to give Jaffur the bean -- more than she wanted to keep it herself, by votes tallied -- but being unable to decide on how and so keeping it for a while. Since giving it after is still giving him the bean in some way, it benefited from the weighting.
 
Capacity Does Not Imply Intent
Capacity Does Not Imply Intent
You take a short, sharp, breath through your nostrils. Then you smile. It is not a nice smile.

"You know what? Fine." You pluck out the Senzu bean and whip it at his face. You take a certain glee in seeing it bounce off before he can react. "But eat that, first." No, he'd never do that just because you said so. What would provoke a Vegetan? Oh, there you go. "I wish to challenge your TRUE power. Not this...broken wreck."

[Trait Gained! "Hot-Blooded"]

In the middle of stooping to pick up the bean, his eyes flash and he stiffens, glaring at you. You've made an impression.

"I am not BROKEN!" he shouts, straightening.

"You're not fixed, that's for sure!" you reply.

He snarls at you.

[Communication check tripped...narrow failure]

"Are you trying to make me broken?" he asks, waving the bean at you. "My father will cripple me if I take this, and leave me that way. I'll be even worse than I am right now, maybe for weeks!"

You pale. "W-what? But he wouldn't-"

"Kill me?" Jaffur spits. "No. Not even he could get away with that. Uncle Raditz would stage a coup. But Senzu beans can cure...a lot..." His gaze loses focus for a moment before he shakes himself and scowls at you. "You have no idea what you're making me risk, giving this to me!"

"I'm trying to heal you!"

"Some help! I-" He bites himself off, taking a break. "I..." He shakes his head. "It's too much. You'd need to break my arm and beat me to a pulp all over again." That said, he slips the bean inside his gi.

You shudder away from the thought. No. "At least let me heal you first," you say, trying to get him to see reason. "It won't be a fight if you're still hurt."

He cocks his head. "I hadn't heard that you were a healer."

"I'm not." You hesitate and shrug. "I mean, I don't know if I am. I never tried."

He grunts. "Figures. Father never had me tested, either."

[Communications check tripped...failure (damn, those rolls)]

He sighs, shaking his head. "No."

"What do you-"

"I mean no. Don't heal me, I'll fight you as I am."

"You don't stand a chance," you say, confidence, worry, and pity all surging within you at once.

"Hmph." He smirks, straightening. "Just...just give me a minute." He closes his eyes and slides down to the ground, entering the lotus position with the ease of one who's performed it countless times. His aura lights up around him.

You start powering up yourself, only going as far as you can easily reach. About eight million sounds good.

His eyes open. His power level is holding steady at five million, and his expression is unnaturally calm. "Only around eight?" he asks, his voice slightly dreamy. "You're not taking me seriously." His head dips and his expression takes on a distinctly...predatory...cast. "Don't."

His aura shifts, wrapping closer around his body -- less him standing in a blue bonfire, and more him wreathed in shining sapphire flames. You have never seen this before. You don't recall any stories of anybody having ever seen something like this before.

He vanishes from view, leaving only an afterimage behind.

What?

WHAM

With a blinding impact, you are flying backward. You regain yourself and look back at the spot you were standing a moment ago.

Jaffur phases into view right next to you.

What?!

WHAM

You smash into the ground, avoiding injury only by virtue of your ki.

"My gift is speed," he says, phasing back into view above you as you drag yourself out of the crater. "I move way faster than I should. I can play in your league, Scion, no matter how hurt I am."

"What are you doing with your aura?" you ask, gaping.

"Me? Nothing." He phases out of view again. You press your fingers to your forehead and-

vip

-reappear at the very edge of the arena.

Jaffur slams into the ground where you were standing below, and looks around for you for a moment before sighting in on you. "There you are," he says. You can only read his lips before he's tearing off again at breakneck pace.

At this distance, you can see him coming fairly clearly. He's fast, but you're not at full power yet. With a flex of your muscles, you bring yourself up to ten million and set yourself up to receive him.

With another burst of stupid speed, he twists around your strike and launches a kick at your head which you barely block.

"Ten million!" he says, withdrawing and lunging forward to grapple with you. "Better!"

You and he strain against each other, and you marvel at the sheer, manic strength he's exerting. "H- how...?"

He draws back. "You're still not taking me seriously!" He lunges forward, levering his forehead into yours.

You drift back from the hit and use Instant Transmission on instinct, moving to the other side of the arena.

Once you gain your bearings again, you see him homing in once again. You frown. If he insists on being like this, you have no choice but to take him seriously -- no matter how ridiculous it is that he's not down yet. If you were fighting for keeps this fight would be done, but you're curious about how he's moving so far beyond his abilities. You'll figure it out later, though.

You place your hands by your head as fast as you can. From his perspective, it must look like you blurred.

And you call out, "Taiyoken!"

LIGHT

Jaffur comes jarring to a halt with an aggravated scream, clutching at his blinded eyes. You take the opportunity to bring yourself up to your full power.

"Solar Flare," he grunts, trying to rub his vision back into place. "Oh, you little..."

And we're done.

You fly towards him and kick him away from you. Then you chase him down, hammering your feet down into his midsection before phasing down below him and blasting him to a dead halt. Then you use Instant Transmission to close with him and grab one of his wrists, holding him aloft, his eyes fluttering shut.

"Little what?!" you yell, shaking him. "Little what, you stubborn idiot?! Am I weak now? Huh?!"

"Ch...Cha..."

You bring him closer. "Hm? I didn't hear that."

"Cha...Char..."

"Louder, stupid!"

His eyes snap open, and you feel his hand against your belly. "Charon's Breath!"

SHREEEEEE!

A bright silver beam of energy, only as wide across as his palm, blasts into your stomach and carries you away from him.

"Oof-!"

You push yourself off with some difficulty. It didn't hurt, just winded you, but that said...

"...that was ten million units," you say, staring at him. "How did you do that? You're only at five."

He grins, bloody. "Heh." He falls into a stance, still shaky. "Taking me seriously yet?"

You take your own stance after a moment. "...yeah."

His grin widens. "Then you'd better power all the way up now, because I'm about to cut loose."

And you suddenly get it. He thinks you're at his level. Presumably he hasn't been keeping track of you like you have been him, or maybe he just assumes that you've been holding back and that's why he has such a negative opinion of you.

Or he's just a jerk. That could be it.

His expression sets, and he charges.

He kicks, you dodge, you punch, he blocks, and in the ensuing exchange of blows, one thing becomes clear.

Jaffur is not as good as you.

He is better.

You are faster, stronger, and more perceptive by him by more than double, and fighting him is honestly like fighting a very persistent child. But he moves with an economy and ease of motion that astounds you, every twitch of his body utilized to its fullest extent despite what must be a truly crushing amount of exhaustion and pain from his day. You have no idea where he found the time or inclination to train like this, but he is perhaps the most highly-trained Saiyan you have ever met -- easily in even your Dad's league.

[Jaffur's Combat [Hand-to-Hand] skill level revealed -- Exceptional]

Yet even with all of this ease and efficiency, he is tired, pained, and increasingly angry. There's nothing he can do to meaningfully hurt you at this level of difference between you two, not even with all his skill. Your heart isn't in this.

"Still only twelve," he gasps, scowling. "Take me seriously. Take me seriously. TAKE ME SERIOUSLY!"

"I am," you say, blocking a powerful hit.

"Don't...you...dare." He disengages and stands back. "I will not be teased like this! I am the Scion of Vegeta! I am a Prince! Fight me like your life is on it! I won't accept anything less than your best!"

"I'm giving you my best!" you say.

His eyes narrow. "Liar! KAIO-KEN!"

His aura flares red, and he vanishes, reappearing to slam into your back.

Okay. Okay. Eight million, now. You can still handle that. You can-

"RAAAAAAAAH!"

WHAM

You fly back up towards the sky until you bounce off the wards, all the breath leaving your body at once. You fall for a half second before he catches up with you and slams you back into the invisible ceiling.

Frantically, you release all your ki in an area burst, clearing the skies and sending him tumbling back. At least that works right. He didn't become immune to the laws of being hit by somebody stronger.

"You know that too?" you say, recovering.

"I spend every day and night fighting," he says, catching himself and gasping in pain. "I have trained every day of my life. Of course I know something as useful as this." He zip forward, and you barely block his strike.

He's hitting a lot harder now. It's not threatening yet, but his aura isn't even flickering, and it looks like despite everything, he can keep this up as long as he needs to. You put your fingers to your forehead and flash away.

Well. If he can do endurance, you'll just have to fight like he can. You need to take him down all at once. At the other end of the arena you gather your strength, aura flaring bright blue even as he turns around to face you.

"Ka...Me..."

His sudden grin in reply is bloody and absolutely crazed. He clasps his hands together in front of his chest.

You keep on. "Ha...Me..."

He brings his hands forward, palms towards you. The tips of his thumbs touch while his fingers interlock, forming a basket with his hands.

You bring your hands forward, channeling your ki down your arms. "HA!"

His aura flares, and he cries, "Apocalypse Beam!"

His silver beam, only as broad as his hands are wide together, meets your blue wave straight on and punches straight through. Your eyes widen, and-

[Skill check tripped: DODGE!]

-you lunge out of the way relatively easily, the beam continuing on like a laser to carve a gash out of the wall behind you.

You stare at him, wild-eyed. "How?! How did you do that! That blast hit twenty million, how is that even possible without you transforming! Why do you not make sense?!"

He snarls back, his good mood apparently gone. "Me? What about you? You're still at twelve million!"

[Willpower push activated: passed]

"HAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA!"


Energy rolls out of him in a wave, buffeting you even as far back as you are. In a heartbeat, he's in your face, and he slams you down into the ground.

"I won't be mocked," he says, every word thrumming with power. "I won't let you win like this! Give me everything you have, Scion, or I'll tear you apart!"

You stare at him, wide-eyed. He's at twelve million, just like you. The fight is now, however briefly, even.


I rolled this fight out with my wife, who handled Kakara's rolls. Here are a few (paraphrased for humor) samples of our conversation.

* * *​

WIFE: Why are you even bothering with these?

ME: If I just decided that you win, it would be stupid and I would have come up with these rules for no reason.

WIFE: Fine, whatever, let's just get this done. Pointless, though.

(LATER)

WIFE: Well, I'll give him this much, he's doing pretty okay.

ME (FROWNING): Yes. Because you crit-failed the first exchange and he got a ninety-four.

(LATER)

WIFE: How is he still going? Isn't he beaten half to death? Still wanna kill his Dad for that, by the way.

ME (FRANTIC): Why do you think I'm rolling the dice before we start every single round? He's having to make willpower checks to not collapse every round! And he's passing them!

(LATER)

WIFE: Oh what the fuck.

ME: HE WAS NOT SUPPOSED TO BE ABLE TO USE THE KAIO-KEN WITHOUT PASSING OUT. HE ROLLED A NAT-100 FOR THAT.

WIFE: What the fuck?

(LATER)

WIFE: I DON'T CARE WHAT BULLSHIT HE HAS. KA-ME-HA-ME-HA!

ME: Well, he has a reply to that, so he'll at least try to fire back. (roll) Still doesn't pass out from sheer exhaustion. Do I need to give him a trait to reflect this? I don't think "Stubborn" works here. (roll) Okay, he still controls the Kaio-Ken. Somehow. Whatever. (roll) And he keeps up his Style effect. Fantastic. (roll)

WIFE: ...

ME: ...

BOTH: WHAT THE FUCK?!

(LATER)

WIFE: HE DOESN'T NEED A DAMN WILLPOWER PUSH! HE'S DOING JUST FINE ALREADY!

ME: IT'S WHAT HE WOULD DO IN-CHARACTER, I HAVE TO TRY.

WIFE: If you roll those dice, you are sleeping on the couch.

ME: NO.

WIFE: So help me-

ME: NO. NO, THIS FIGHT IS APPARENTLY A STRESS-TEST OF HOW BADLY DICE CAN FUCK OVER THE SYSTEM NOW. WE'RE SEEING IT THROUGH.

WIFE: Why do you get like this?

ME: (roll)

WIFE: Oh my god.

ME: WHAT THE FUCK?!

* * *​

As you can see, things got slightly out of hand. I felt like Jaffur was ranting at me when I wrote out his speech at the end of the update. I felt that it was only responsible to check in with you all at this point. Before now, despite being complete and utter bullshit, Jaffur hasn't actually inflicted meaningful damage on you. The Apocalypse Beam and subsequent willpower push mark the first opportunities he actually had to hurt you, so we're putting the rest of this up to a vote.

...I swear, by sheer law of averages he's going to fail a check sometime soon! HE ONLY HAS TO FAIL THE "DON'T PASS OUT" CHECK ONCE! IT GETS HARDER EVERY ROUND! *breaks down sobbing*

I mean, I built him to be a combat monster because that's his character, but this is literally statistically implausible. Statistically speaking, he should have put up a valiant effort and gone down by the time he fired up the Kaio-Ken due to being thoroughly outclassed in sheer power. He's not natively this good. But yeah, you were supposed to crush him, since he refused any kind of healing. Suffice to say, whatever rail-like shapes I had in mind for this encounter, we are now thoroughly off of them.

Yes, he used a willpower push, not a transformation. The transformation comes in response to a need, not a desire, and Jaffur does not need to transform -- not yet.

Your options, for dealing with what is apparently the living avatar of bullshit, are:

[ ] Head-to-head. You need to take him down fast, before he can pull something else out of the box.
[ ] Stall for time. He might have made up the power level difference somehow, but it is literally impossible to maintain something like that. You just have to wait him out.
[ ] Give in. You've had enough. You don't like fighting anyway!
[ ] Try to explain. Defuse the situation. You really are giving it all you've got. You have nothing left to give. This is it. [Trips Communication]
[ ] Write-In

New Trait!

Hot-Blooded: While you are a gentle girl, you don't take kindly to insults or abuse. You have a fiery temper, and while you have great practice in restraining it, sometimes lose your head when the right insult is offered. Your QM will identify certain triggers. When those triggers are hit, heavy vote weighting will come into effect favoring aggressive and to a lesser extent violent responses.
 
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Fuck it, he wants us to do better, let's do better.

[X] If he's going to go this far past his own limits it would be shameful to not try the same. Try to use the Kaio-Ken with no training to make up the difference.

I hate being right.





Assuming she has the ability to even try let's not make the main character commit suicide.

She may try. It will be monstrously hard. But it's possible, much like Jaffur's performance here.
 
[x] Head-to-head. You need to take him down fast, before he can pull something else out of the box.
 
There are a lot of ways to win a fight .... and we don't have one. Even if we knock him out next punch we have lost here. The closest we can come to victory is a draw, and the only way we can get that is to surpass our limits just as much as Jaffur and to put as much of ourself into this as he is.

She may try. It will be monstrously hard. But it's possible, much like Jaffur's performance here.
Awesome.

Time out, Lailo has gotten me nervous, how likely are we to seriously/permanently injure ourself doing this for our pov?
 
Vote to try untrained Kao-Ken. She'll pop like a hamster in a microwave and we'll have to switch characters.
I mean I don't really mind playing as Kakara, I just prefer Jaffur. I voted for him back at chargen after all. His astounding performance here is just a reminder of the sheer bullshit willpower that Vegeta has. Goku might be stronger but Vegeta's pride and willpower is precisely what I like on a main character.
 
I mean I don't really mind playing as Kakara, I just prefer Jaffur. I voted for him back at chargen after all. His astounding performance here is just a reminder of the sheer bullshit willpower that Vegeta has. Goku might be stronger but Vegeta's pride and willpower is precisely what I like on a main character.
Au contraire, he did so well because he was rolling the enemy die.

If we had chosen Jaffur and gotten into a fight with Kakara it is very likely that she would have gotten the same rolls and put on just as impressive a display, and then we would be going, man that girl is so badass I wish we had chosen her.

It's pointless to judge people on dice roll, only their choices and capabilities really matter. For example, Jaffur is strong and a skilled fighter, respectable. Determined, respectable. Self destructive and a bit of a jerk, not so good.
 
There are a lot of ways to win a fight .... and we don't have one. Even if we knock him out next punch we have lost here. The closest we can come to victory is a draw, and the only way we can get that is to surpass our limits just as much as Jaffur and to put as much of ourself into this as he is.


Awesome.

Time out, Lailo has gotten me nervous, how likely are we to seriously/permanently injure ourself doing this for our pov?

Kao-ken while trained can kill you. It's an emergency last resort.

We can beat him by just waiting. At this rate we have to be more concerned about him killing himself.
 
There are a lot of ways to win a fight .... and we don't have one. Even if we knock him out next punch we have lost here. The closest we can come to victory is a draw, and the only way we can get that is to surpass our limits just as much as Jaffur and to put as much of ourself into this as he is.


Awesome.

Time out, Lailo has gotten me nervous, how likely are we to seriously/permanently injure ourself doing this for our pov?

You have a nearly invisible chance of pulling this off and gaining the Kaio-Ken as a skill starting at [Unlearned].
You are nearly certain to overload and break down with minor injuries.
You are highly likely to overload and break down with severe injuries.
You are somewhat likely to overload and permanently injure yourself (for a certain value of "permanently," you're surrounded by people who have Senzus on all sides).
You are not likely to overload and permanently injure yourself with fatal complications.
You are almost certainly not going to kill yourself outright, although if you do get this, your survival is entirely dependent upon Jaffur (nobody else can respond in time) recognizing what's happening, feeling willing to give you the Senzu bean you gave him, and intervening in time.

You have also been fed horror stories about what happens when people do this wrong for your entire life, and thus will have to pass a Willpower check with a DC of 50 to do it at all (but there's a trait in it for you if you pass...).

In short, your write-in is the highest-risk, highest-rewards option I can think of.

I mean I don't really mind playing as Kakara, I just prefer Jaffur. I voted for him back at chargen after all. His astounding performance here is just a reminder of the sheer bullshit willpower that Vegeta has. Goku might be stronger but Vegeta's pride and willpower is precisely what I like on a main character.

Bear in mind a great deal of that is the fact that he didn't roll below seventy on a d100 even once in that whole exchange, but yeah, he's picked up some new traits from that, same as you all will from similar bullshit. And of course, Kakara is a much better-adjusted person (Jaffur, in chargen, would not have been allowed to pick any extra skills, whereas Kakara got two; in addition, the traits on offer for him were all flavors of "make you more killy/woobie/implacable warrior of death").
 
Kao-ken while trained can kill you. It's an emergency last resort.

We can beat him by just waiting. At this rate we have to be more concerned about him killing himself.
I mean, I have come to the conclusion that the Kaio Ken is a bad idea, heat of the moment thing, gonna get rid of it, but I'd like to point out that the best way to stop him from killing himself is probably by ending the fight quickly and decisively. He's pushing himself so hard that he'd probably be better off if we just knocked him out as quickly as possible as opposed to letting him defeat himself.

[x] Head-to-head. You need to take him down fast, before he does serious damage to himself.
 
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Well, that's a lot more generous than I expected. Now I'm actually tempted to try it. It'll get us a negative trait, but he did challenge her to give it her all, he knows the technique and presumably what it looks like when it goes wrong, he has a senzu on hand, and it's still tutorial mode. It would simultaneously make clear that she's not underestimating him and is definitely not a coward. To his mindset it might be downright charming.

Plus, she needs to transform, and suicidally reckless abandon is a prerequisite for that.
 
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Did it destroy level-headed in the process?

Oddly, no. It's just the triggers that bring it into play -- and fascinatingly, if enough people vote to counteract the weighting, Level-Headed's bonus to careful actions still applies. I just forgot to actually update the character sheet with Level-Headed in the first place, so oops. Going up now.
 
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