Dragon Ball: After the End
The Fourth Monado
S U B A R A S H I I
- Location
- Away
[X] Head-to-head. You need to take him down fast, before he can pull something else out of the box.
We need to push harder.
We need to push harder.
- Location
- Somewhere I shouldn't be
[X] Head-to-head. You need to take him down fast, before he can pull something else out of the box.
Maybe it's time we find some Saiyan pride and break this jerk.
Maybe it's time we find some Saiyan pride and break this jerk.
Aranfan
Team Plasma Grunt
I don't know why Kakara is so surprised that Jaffur is able to have ki blasts that are higher power level than he is. Goku and Piccolo did that every time they used a ki blast in the Raditz fight.
[x] Head-to-head. You need to take him down fast, before he does serious damage to himself.
[x] Head-to-head. You need to take him down fast, before he does serious damage to himself.
Our relationship with Jaffur's gonna be decided here, one way or the other.
He'll certainly welcome us to the space jam, but a willingness to square up as hard as he is might win us his respect.
That's worth burning a senzu bean, especially if we have to worry about traditionalist sayian war-mongering in the near future.
[X] Head-to-head. You need to take him down fast, before he can pull something else out of the box.
He'll certainly welcome us to the space jam, but a willingness to square up as hard as he is might win us his respect.
That's worth burning a senzu bean, especially if we have to worry about traditionalist sayian war-mongering in the near future.
[X] Head-to-head. You need to take him down fast, before he can pull something else out of the box.
Macros
omnisciently vague councilman
- Location
- Dirac Sea
How so? It's turning out pretty much exactly as I feared. He's putting on a great performance, but it's for nothing, since he's at his limit and the mood is all wrong to transform, and our character is just getting embarrassed with nothing to show for it, because the most likely scenario is still us squeaking out a win, leaving both sides frustrated.
@PoptartProdigy I have a question. You handed us a few free "cookie" rerolls, but how are we supposed to use them if every roll is secretly made and we're presented with the final results? I mean, I might have used one on a failed diplomacy check, for instance, but at this point, it's far too late since the scene is already written when we learn the check is failed. So... how does this work?
[x] Head-to-head. You need to take him down fast, before he does serious damage to himself.
- Location
- Rockford, USA
- Pronouns
- They/Them
I wasn't exactly clear, but more than doubling your current power level, after a Kaio-Ken, with a ki blast, is something quite unexpected.
Well, they're not rerolls so much as flat bonuses, but that's fair. I actually realized that after I posted the update, which of course was too late. In the future, I'll let you know about the status of any rolls that might benefit from a cookie before the update gets set in stone.
The senzu would have been unbelievably cruel to him and resulted in an utter curbstomping so fast there wouldn't have been any chance to transform. He has now pocketed the insanely valuable item for no gain to us. The untrained ki healing's higher check killed it while ki donation would have achieved the goal of an even fight just fine. He has his own special abilities, including two that make the already marginal IT even less helpful.
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- Location
- Rockford, USA
- Pronouns
- They/Them
New threadmark detailing what Kakara knows about other characters now up on the front page under the threadmark "Other Characters." Currently has what you know of Jaffur and your father; Betarel, Head Raditz, and Lord Vegeta will follow. This is the ultimate fluff screen, so if that's not something you care about, don't bother with it. But if you care about THE COUNT...
[x] Head-to-head. You need to take him down fast, before he can pull something else out of the box.
5 votes
[x] Head-to-head. You need to take him down fast, before he does serious damage to himself.
3 votes
[X] Try to explain. Defuse the situation. You really are giving it all you've got. You have nothing left to give. This is it.[Trips Communication]
1 vote
[X] Stall for time. He might have made up the power level difference somehow, but it is literally impossible to maintain something like that. You just have to wait him out.
1 vote
Interestingly, the primary conflict is between "Head-to-head" as written and as expressing concern for Jaffur's well-being before he tears himself apart. Which is fascinating.
You should also be aware that although the person who originally floated it has changed their mind, there was a write-in for the possibility of trying to perform the Kaio-Ken untrained in order to reopen the strength gap between you and Jaffur, phrasing it as shameful to do anything less to burst your limits than Jaffur is doing. Exact words: [ ] If he's going to go this far past his own limits it would be shameful to not try the same. Try to use the Kaio-Ken with no training to make up the difference. Here is my ruling:
Anybody who wishes to may consider this one QM-endorsed as a viable choice that will not break the quest, although as I said above, insanely risky. Voting will be open for quite some time yet, so keep on arguing it out!
[x] Head-to-head. You need to take him down fast, before he can pull something else out of the box.
5 votes
[x] Head-to-head. You need to take him down fast, before he does serious damage to himself.
3 votes
[X] Try to explain. Defuse the situation. You really are giving it all you've got. You have nothing left to give. This is it.[Trips Communication]
1 vote
[X] Stall for time. He might have made up the power level difference somehow, but it is literally impossible to maintain something like that. You just have to wait him out.
1 vote
Interestingly, the primary conflict is between "Head-to-head" as written and as expressing concern for Jaffur's well-being before he tears himself apart. Which is fascinating.
You should also be aware that although the person who originally floated it has changed their mind, there was a write-in for the possibility of trying to perform the Kaio-Ken untrained in order to reopen the strength gap between you and Jaffur, phrasing it as shameful to do anything less to burst your limits than Jaffur is doing. Exact words: [ ] If he's going to go this far past his own limits it would be shameful to not try the same. Try to use the Kaio-Ken with no training to make up the difference. Here is my ruling:
Anybody who wishes to may consider this one QM-endorsed as a viable choice that will not break the quest, although as I said above, insanely risky. Voting will be open for quite some time yet, so keep on arguing it out!
ChildishChimera
A umbran summon
- Location
- New York
[X] Head-to-head. You need to take him down fast, before he can pull something else out of the box.
- Location
- Rockford, USA
- Pronouns
- They/Them
Welcome to the thread!
Thanks!
Also, got two questions, sorry if they've been asked before.
One, how strong are the Saiyans in general? From Kakara's and Betarel's power levels, it sounds like they're a lot stronger than the Saiyans of planet Vegeta, but they might just be outliers.
Two, what is the technology level of the natives?
Also, got two questions, sorry if they've been asked before.
One, how strong are the Saiyans in general? From Kakara's and Betarel's power levels, it sounds like they're a lot stronger than the Saiyans of planet Vegeta, but they might just be outliers.
Two, what is the technology level of the natives?
- Location
- Rockford, USA
- Pronouns
- They/Them
Actually, nobody has asked those questions before. I've been waiting.
Average power level has shot up a lot. Given that the Saiyans possess the knowledge that they can theoretically ascend to godhood itself, getting into the low millions no longer seems like anything special. It's sheer weight of cultural pressure that keeps them from all turning into Super Saiyans en masse. That said, there are plenty of reasons for them to hold back, thus bringing the average down.
1) Sorcerers often don't train their ki at all. While stronger ki can synergize with stronger magic, both disciplines take a huge amount of time that few Sorcerers are willing to invest. So that's 5% of the population that tends to hover in the hundreds or low thousands.
2) Seers are very secretive, but barely train at all. Presumably, mastering the gift takes a lot of time and effort. There's another roughly 1% of the population that rarely even hits the thousands.
3) Depending on who's Lord at the time, rising too high can be...discouraged. Strongly. Especially in Clan Vegeta, the fate of House Talt, a rebellious house that tried to raise a Super Saiyan revolt and was subsequently dealt with so decisively that Tywin Lannister looks soft in comparison, stays on everybody's minds as a warning against rapid advancement if it looks too ambitious.
As a result of all of this, the average power level has tapered off to about 1-3 million. Every Saiyan is capable of destroying the planet with a flick of their wrist, but none of them are anything more than gnats before the full power of their Lord.
As for the planet's tech level, it's relatively on-par with real-life Earth's but with some anachronisms. For instance, mag-lev trains are considered quaint and outdated, and they have fully settled the bottom of the oceans. However, they have no space program and cultural interest in the concept is nigh-nonexistent. They haven't even figured out rocketry. In short, crazy but underutilized infrastructural technologies that mean everything goes where it needs to with incredible speed and efficiency, but it's a widely-noted point that much of the drive and vision has gone out of those in charge of technologies, and as a result new innovations that take advantage of how efficient they are are nigh-nonexistent.
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While I can definitely see why the Sayains would encourage that, since it's so useful for staying hidden...
...how the hell did they manage to guide a society that precisely from the shadows? They're effing Sayains!
Aranfan
Team Plasma Grunt
Clan Vegeta is descended from Bulma. Who's to say they aren't the ones in charge of the technology?
- Location
- Rockford, USA
- Pronouns
- They/Them
Oddly enough, Saiyans as a society haven't touched this planet. Saiyans as individuals have...and they're the only reason things are as good as they are. When the Saiyans landed, the planet was at the tech equivalent of the High Middle Ages. The people of this planet have a strong cultural aversion to innovation.
Right, more questions, then.
What are the Saiyans' views of and relationship with the natives? Are they viewed as equals or inferiors? Is harming them illegal (in Saiyan law, of course, not native law)? What happens when/if one of the natives discover the existence of Saiyans?
As for the natives, do the Saiyans know of any native ki users or sorcerers? And what do they call their planet?
What technology level do the Saiyans have? Do they still have capsules and other stuff from their old world?
What are the Saiyans' views of and relationship with the natives? Are they viewed as equals or inferiors? Is harming them illegal (in Saiyan law, of course, not native law)? What happens when/if one of the natives discover the existence of Saiyans?
As for the natives, do the Saiyans know of any native ki users or sorcerers? And what do they call their planet?
- Location
- Rockford, USA
- Pronouns
- They/Them
Woo!
They managed to preserve much, although not all, of their technology. They still have scouters, they have one healing pod that they don't dare tinker with, and they do have capsules. The trouble is that they lack the ability to reproduce a lot of this stuff given that they were lifting off with whatever they could grab. They very much are stuck in a Dark Age, where knowledge is being lost rather than uncovered. Some of the individuals who make the effort to advance the natives' technology have the vague hope of advancing the local tech base until the infrastructure for what the Saiyans need exists, but it's an uphill battle.
Generally, as a necessary part of the Masquerade. Saiyans tend to spend only as much time as they need to in order to avoid suspicious under Masques. They don't necessarily dislike them -- it's more that the more time you spend around them, the greater the chance that you slip up. Plus, a Masque is inherently uncomfortable -- it's not native shapeshifting or a natural transformation. Saiyans tend to isolate themselves out of sheer discomfort, once they've managed to avoid being labeled as freakish loners. Killing a human is so illegal under Saiyan law. Even if you set aside the moral issues, it means you've just made you Lord deal with a cover-up. That said, if discovered...stalk them to make sure they don't reveal the secret, then set them up discreetly with a compatible Saiyan of comparable age. Hasn't failed yet.
They picked the planet because while the humans have the same overall potential as humans anywhere, they're not awakened to that potential and their culture makes it very unlikely that they'll learn it exists. Same for sorcery. The planet is called Garenhuld.