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Dragon Ball: After the End

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[x] Head-to-head. You need to take him down fast, before he does serious damage to himself.

Because yeah, sure, we want to beat his stupid jerky face, but also he probably shouldn't kill himself, that would be bad too.

Really, a jerk's just a friend we haven't beat up enough yet!

We're gonna befriend this guy, even if we have to love and tolerate the shit out of him!
 
KnightDisciple said:
[x] Head-to-head. You need to take him down fast, before he does serious damage to himself.

Because yeah, sure, we want to beat his stupid jerky face, but also he probably shouldn't kill himself, that would be bad too.

Really, a jerk's just a friend we haven't beat up enough yet!

We're gonna befriend this guy, even if we have to love and tolerate the shit out of him!
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Quick, everybody! We're switching genres to a magical girl story! Everybody come up with a cheesy attack name!
 
PoptartProdigy said:
They picked the planet because while the humans have the same overall potential as humans anywhere, they're not awakened to that potential and their culture makes it very unlikely that they'll learn it exists. Same for sorcery. The planet is called Garenhuld.
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More questions, sorry! This should be the last ones for a while, though.

..Probably.

Is sorcery a thing where either you can do it or not or are the people with aptitude simply the ones who are naturally talented at it? Also, I doubt Kakara or any other Saiyan would know this, so not answering it would make sense, but are the Saiyans potential for sorcery average, or do their status as a warrior race make them less suited for it?

Also, I doubt this question will be relevant unless the Masquerade gets broken, but how high is human potential here? Far less than Saiyans who haven't attained Super Saiyan, the same, or higher?

Oh, and how much Saiyan blood do the current Saiyans have? If they had to only breed with natives for a while, I can't imagine it'd be much.
 
Bommelom said:
More questions, sorry! This should be the last ones for a while, though.

..Probably.
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Hey, I like the questions.

Bommelom said:
Is sorcery a thing where either you can do it or not or are the people with aptitude simply the ones who are naturally talented at it? Also, I doubt Kakara or any other Saiyan would know this, so not answering it would make sense, but are the Saiyans potential for sorcery average, or do their status as a warrior race make them less suited for it?
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Sorcery I'm defining as a Gift model -- you have the Gift, or you don't, and it doesn't come out unless you train it. And given that they only started experimenting with it after the Exile, the Saiyans don't really know how they stack up against others, no.

Bommelom said:
Also, I doubt this question will be relevant unless the Masquerade gets broken, but how high is human potential here? Far less than Saiyans who haven't attained Super Saiyan, the same, or higher?
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Human potential I define interestingly -- they improve much more slowly, but unlike Saiyans, they have no cap. I draw this from the series, where although the Saiyans rapidly outstrip their human contemporaries, they consistently hit walls in their training that they must transform to overcome. The humans, on the other hand, keep improving and improving the longer they go. Reference the "Resurrection of F" movie, which made the point that Krillin is only insignificant in the company he keeps, and is easily one of the strongest fighters in the universe.

Bommelom said:
Oh, and how much Saiyan blood do the current Saiyans have? If they had to only breed with natives for a while, I can't imagine it'd be much.
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More than you would expect thanks to an incredibly careful breeding program and a strong cultural aversion to marrying outside the culture unless given an order to seduce the latest human to break the Masquerade and bind them to it. Maybe a fifth in everybody, on average. They don't seem to get less Saiyan, so long as they have some Saiyan in them, but why take any chances? In general, it seems that the phenotypical changes go from "Pure Saiyan," to "Saiyan-Human Hybrid," to "Pure Human." As in, the hybrids have hair that grows and the possibility of non black/brown hair and eye colors, but aside from that are for all intents and purposes "pureblood" Saiyans, much like in the show. And this holds steady no matter how far down they go. Which is not biologically plausible, but it saves me the headache of actually working out how this would really work.
 
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PoptartProdigy said:
And this holds steady no matter how far down they go. Which is not biologically plausible, but it saves me the headache of actually working out how this would really work.
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Well, it also sounds more interesting from a setting perspective, otherwise it'd be 'welcome to the possibly increasingly inbred or decreasingly special people that we are focusing on for being special people'.
 
[X] If he's going to go this far past his own limits it would be shameful to not try the same. Try to use the Kaio-Ken with no training to make up the difference.

Yes, this is a horrible idea and is likely to backfire and leave us broken and battered. But, in the end, I can't think of anything more Saiyan than that. Besides, given that the GM seems to be rolling real dice, I'm going to hold on to the hope that they've been accidentally using weighted dice and as such we have a higher chance of pulling this off.
 
[X] If he's going to go this far past his own limits it would be shameful to not try the same. Try to use the Kaio-Ken with no training to make up the difference.

Oh, sure. I was tempted and now it's easy to copy-paste.

Be the hotblood!
 
Mortifer said:
[X] If he's going to go this far past his own limits it would be shameful to not try the same. Try to use the Kaio-Ken with no training to make up the difference.

Yes, this is a horrible idea and is likely to backfire and leave us broken and battered. But, in the end, I can't think of anything more Saiyan than that. Besides, given that the GM seems to be rolling real dice, I'm going to hold on to the hope that they've been accidentally using weighted dice and as such we have a higher chance of pulling this off.
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Sir! I assure you, I have no weighted dice!

Pretty sure. I mean, they're used. ;)
 
On the no cap thing, I thought that was something that derived from mutito's methods of ki training. Goku, Gohan, and krillin all continued to grow stronger after having their full potential unlocked.
 
Aranfan said:
On the no cap thing, I thought that was something that derived from mutito's methods of ki training. Goku, Gohan, and krillin all continued to grow stronger after having their full potential unlocked.
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I'm drawing the cap 1) from the Bringer of Death system that I'm using here, after 2) from the comments made in the show about how the Saiyans persistently felt they were reaching a limit on training until they transformed. The humans, on the long term, never did. My theory is that Mutito's training broke a mental limit -- "I don't believe it's possible to be stronger," vs. "I am unhappily surprised by the fact that my body is flatly refusing to get any stronger no matter how much I train."
 
PoptartProdigy said:
Oddly enough, Saiyans as a society haven't touched this planet. Saiyans as individuals have...and they're the only reason things are as good as they are. When the Saiyans landed, the planet was at the tech equivalent of the High Middle Ages. The people of this planet have a strong cultural aversion to innovation.
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... Are the Saiyans not the only ones hiding here?


PoptartProdigy said:
Quick, everybody! We're switching genres to a magical girl story! Everybody come up with a cheesy attack name!
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Chiaotzu hyper-hug!


PoptartProdigy said:
Hey, I like the questions.



Sorcery I'm defining as a Gift model -- you have the Gift, or you don't, and it doesn't come out unless you train it. And given that they only started experimenting with it after the Exile, the Saiyans don't really know how they stack up against others, no.



Human potential I define interestingly -- they improve much more slowly, but unlike Saiyans, they have no cap. I draw this from the series, where although the Saiyans rapidly outstrip their human contemporaries, they consistently hit walls in their training that they must transform to overcome. The humans, on the other hand, keep improving and improving the longer they go. Reference the "Resurrection of F" movie, which made the point that Krillin is only insignificant in the company he keeps, and is easily one of the strongest fighters in the universe.



More than you would expect thanks to an incredibly careful breeding program and a strong cultural aversion to marrying outside the culture unless given an order to seduce the latest human to break the Masquerade and bind them to it. Maybe a fifth in everybody, on average. They don't seem to get less Saiyan, so long as they have some Saiyan in them, but why take any chances? In general, it seems that the phenotypical changes go from "Pure Saiyan," to "Saiyan-Human Hybrid," to "Pure Human." As in, the hybrids have hair that grows and the possibility of non black/brown hair and eye colors, but aside from that are for all intents and purposes "pureblood" Saiyans, much like in the show. And this holds steady no matter how far down they go. Which is not biologically plausible, but it saves me the headache of actually working out how this would really work.
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Oh, good. I was starting to think about how you might have worked that into the warrior race's backstory and it was going dark places.
 
Lailoken said:
... Are the Saiyans not the only ones hiding here?
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Could just be their natural culture, damnit. They don't have to be secretly manipulated by aliens or secret societies in order not to innovate.
PoptartProdigy said:
Human potential I define interestingly -- they improve much more slowly, but unlike Saiyans, they have no cap. I draw this from the series, where although the Saiyans rapidly outstrip their human contemporaries, they consistently hit walls in their training that they must transform to overcome. The humans, on the other hand, keep improving and improving the longer they go. Reference the "Resurrection of F" movie, which made the point that Krillin is only insignificant in the company he keeps, and is easily one of the strongest fighters in the universe.
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I actually don't think the humans improved slower through training than the Saiyans. They never had a problem with dramatically increasing in time for the next budokai or keeping proportionally up with Goku (well, not until he got Korin's actual magic water), it's just that they never got Zenkais that made them like 30 times stronger then stacked Super Saiyan on top on that and they never entered the Room of Spirit and Time.

..Also, more questions. Sorry!

Have any of the Lords or Scions ever tried to go beyond Super Saiyan? For that matter, how much do they remember about any of the more advanced forms? Would they be able to tell a true Super Saiyan 2 from the form Vegeta used against Semi-Perfect cell?

How did they come to identify as Saiyans? I don't think Gohan and Pan ever did (at least not more than they identified themselves as humans/hybrids), and I'm not sure Trunks would either. Also, when did Vegeta's line and Goku's line interbreed? Pan's generation, Mako's generation or later?

Are any of the Saiyans ever born without tails like Goten and Trunks?

How accurate is their knowledge/stories of the Z fighters? Also, since Vegeta is a pretty big hero, how much do they remember of Goku's adventures before he learned he was a Saiyan? How much do they remember about Roshi, for instance?

This question probably isn't very relevant, but was Instant Transmission and Kaio-ken passed down or did the Saiyans re-invent them later?

Also, this last question is about the backstory and the answer could possibly be spoilers (possibly something to do with Gohan's message to Mako?) Why didn't they go to Namek? Did they simply not have the coordinates of New Namek and no one with instant Transmission who'd ever been there, or were they afraid going to Namek would be too predictable?
 
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Bommelom said:
Why didn't they go to Namek? Did they simply not have the coordinates of New Namek and no one with instant Transmission who'd ever been there, or were they afraid going to Namek would be too predictable?
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Going by DBZ Abridged, I'm betting that the new Lord of Namek (Little Green) blocked all calls from Earth. His later successors continued this tradition, thinking it was because Earth was home to terrible monstrosities, not because the Revered Little Green had a crush that he was embarrassed about.
 
KaintukeeBob said:
Going by DBZ Abridged, I'm betting that the new Lord of Namek (Little Green) blocked all calls from Earth. His later successors continued this tradition, thinking it was because Earth was home to terrible monstrosities, not because the Revered Little Green had a crush that he was embarrassed about.
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Uuh, you do realise Dende comes back right?
He takes Kami's place as Dragonball-Link and Guardian when Kami fuses with Piccolo.

He even tweaks the Dragonballs so they grant 2 wishes rather than 1

Also the Saiyans moved planets, they'd probably be using a different phone number by now.
 
lordchaos99 said:
Uuh, you do realise Dende comes back right?
He takes Kami's place as Dragonball-Link and Guardian when Kami fuses with Piccolo.
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If DBZ:A has reached that point, I haven't caught up to it yet. Until it does, I'm going to assume Popo took over for Kami.

But yes, I'm aware that Namek is still at least a bit involved with Earth in DBZ after the creation of New Namek.
 
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