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Have any of the Lords or Scions ever tried to go beyond Super Saiyan? For that matter, how much do they remember about any of the more advanced forms? Would they be able to tell a true Super Saiyan 2 from the form Vegeta used against Semi-Perfect cell?

They have not tried, largely out of sheer existential terror/sheer societal pressure. As for the more advanced forms, they remember that they exist, even though some of them do wonder why Super Saiyan 3 is so consistently glossed over in histories. It really cuts the Exiles' ability to appreciate the might of Super Saiyan transformations when one of them is treated so casually and insignificantly in their anim- HISTORIES. YES. [/salt] They do know about Vegeta's form (Ascended Super Saiyan) and Trunks's immediately after (Ultimate Super Saiyan), but managed to preserve the secret of mastering the first form and thus know that those forms are corrupted versions of the first.

How did they come to identify as Saiyans? I don't think Gohan and Pan ever did (at least not more than they identified themselves as humans/hybrids), and I'm not sure Trunks would either. Also, when did Vegeta's line and Goku's line interbreed? Pan's generation, Mako's generation or later?

The answer to all of these is actually fairly simple: culture shock. Imagine: your homeworld, a place of incredible magic, technology, and might, has just been vaporized while the most powerful of your families blew themself up to do it. You are hunted by an enemy so fearsome you're lucky that you never saw their face. And the best place you could think to find lands you square in the middle of the Dung Ages.

They clung to anything that set them apart, that made them them. They picked many things -- their technology, which they couldn't reproduce, their culture, which range rather hollow in a group of about twenty people, and their heritage, which was immediately visually apparent and never, ever, went away. By the time Mato's grandchildren were born, the exiles were already clinging to their Saiyan heritage. Especially since one of the other things they clinged to was each other, romantically, for Mato's generation. And the next generation after, they ran into the thorny problem of, "Well now who are we supposed to f*ck?" And thus, they were forced to interbreed with the natives, at quite some reluctance, which drove them harder into the arms of their heritage. The first locals to marry in...did not have a great time. So, the lines were interbred in the very first generation, but had to scatter immediately afterwards. Defining themselves based on who they descended from more came a few generations later, once they'd codified that they couldn't breed with any non-humans since everybody was related to everybody else.

Are any of the Saiyans ever born without tails like Goten and Trunks?

In the translations I've read, those two were simply snipped at birth, in a rather uncomfortable echo of vasectomies. So, nope!

How accurate is their knowledge/stories of the Z fighters? Also, since Vegeta is a pretty big hero, how much do they remember of Goku's adventures before he learned he was a Saiyan? How much do they remember about Roshi, for instance?

They remember everything that Goku felt willing to talk about. So they remember everything, along with some very misleading miscommunications that result from trusting the word-of-mouth of Son Goku as your primary historical source. That said, they've got the gist. They remember Roshi in particular very well, since his style formed the basis for the styles of half the Z Fighters (in particular Goku's).

This question probably isn't very relevant, but was Instant Transmission and Kaio-ken passed down or did the Saiyans re-invent them later?

They passed it down. No one person knew both at first, so there were some moments where the knowledge was very fragile, but unlike Goku the exiles had no compunctions about sharing their super-special techniques.

Also, this last question is about the backstory and the answer could possibly be spoilers (possibly something to do with Gohan's message to Mako?) Why didn't they go to Namek? Did they simply not have the coordinates of New Namek and no one with instant Transmission who'd ever been there, or were they afraid going to Namek would be too predictable?

They were afraid it would be too predictable. Earth was never really dialed into the galactic community, but the death of Freeza made waves. Everybody in the galaxy knew not to f*ck with Namek unless you wanted Super Saiyans crawling up your ass, and when even gods were helpless against this threat, the exiles knew they couldn't go there.
 
So, uh, does this planet have a Guardian?

Does anyone know the Spirit Bomb? I can't recall if King Kai taught it to anyone but Goku.

What ever happened with Android 18? Did I miss a line about her in the intro, or did she just die with the rest of Earth?
 
So, uh, does this planet have a Guardian?

Does anyone know the Spirit Bomb? I can't recall if King Kai taught it to anyone but Goku.

What ever happened with Android 18? Did I miss a line about her in the intro, or did she just die with the rest of Earth?

No Guardian. They picked the most boring planet in the cosmos.

They figured out the Spirit Bomb, with great difficulty, since again Goku refused to teach anybody of his own initiative.

Krillin died of old age, 18 vanished someplace. Maron was very upset with her mother.
 
Have an updated tally.

[ ] Head-to-head. You need to take him down fast, before he can pull something else out of the box.
6 votes

[ ] Head-to-head. You need to take him down fast, before he does serious damage to himself.
7 votes

[ ] If he's going to go this far past his own limits it would be shameful to not try the same. Try to use the Kaio-Ken with no training to make up the difference.
2 votes

Bit of vote consolidation here, with concern for Jaffur committing suicide-by-Scion being the leading vote at the moment. It's been a while since the last vote showed up, so I'll leave this for an hour to catch any last-minute voters and then close up the shop and start the update.
 
They remember everything that Goku felt willing to talk about. So they remember everything, along with some very misleading miscommunications that result from trusting the word-of-mouth of Son Goku as your primary historical source. That said, they've got the gist. They remember Roshi in particular very well, since his style formed the basis for the styles of half the Z Fighters (in particular Goku's).
How much does Kakara in particular know?

They were afraid it would be too predictable. Earth was never really dialed into the galactic community, but the death of Freeza made waves. Everybody in the galaxy knew not to f*ck with Namek unless you wanted Super Saiyans crawling up your ass, and when even gods were helpless against this threat, the exiles knew they couldn't go there.
Would the Saiyans still be able to go to New Namek, assuming it still exists, or do they no longer have the technology and/or its location?

They remember everything that Goku felt willing to talk about. So they remember everything, along with some very misleading miscommunications that result from trusting the word-of-mouth of Son Goku as your primary historical source. That said, they've got the gist. They remember Roshi in particular very well, since his style formed the basis for the styles of half the Z Fighters (in particular Goku's).
Did Roshi die along with the rest of the Earth, or did he die/disappear somewhere earlier?

They passed it down. No one person knew both at first, so there were some moments where the knowledge was very fragile, but unlike Goku the exiles had no compunctions about sharing their super-special techniques.
In that case, who did Goku pass it along to?
 
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How much does Kakara in particular know?

Eh, about as much as you'd expect an eight-year-old to. "Ancestor Goku fought many enemies and had many adventures, and I could name some of them if pressed." Not really because it's secret, just because she's eight.

Would the Saiyans still be able to go to New Namek, assuming it still exists, or do they no longer have the technology and/or its location?

They could, they just don't quite dare to. If it's still there.

Did Roshi die along with the rest of the Earth, or did he die/disappear somewhere earlier?

Oh, old age, long before then.

In that case, who did Goku pass it along to?

Pan, at her insistence (I don't care if Super josses this later, I refuse to allow Goku to be the only special person in creation). Mato learned the Kaio-Ken from her, and somebody else learned instant transmission. I'll decide who later.
 
Would the Saiyans still be able to go to New Namek, assuming it still exists, or do they no longer have the technology and/or its location?

We have really good ki sensing. I'm sure we can get there once we train that ability to the point where we can detect something on the other side of a galaxy. What's Namekian ki taste like again? Oh well, I'm sure it's one of those 80 highest ki ratings out there...
 
[x] Head-to-head. You need to take him down fast, before he does serious damage to himself.
 
I still want to know what happened to the second wish. The intro only describes one being used to ascertain the nature of the enemy.
 
[X] If he's going to go this far past his own limits it would be shameful to not try the same. Try to use the Kaio-Ken with no training to make up the difference.

Y'know what? Screw it, I vote to roll the dice. It won't kill us or derail the campaign, and we might get the shiny toy. I'm all for grabbing for the shiny when we know there's a safety net.
 
I still want to know what happened to the second wish. The intro only describes one being used to ascertain the nature of the enemy.

I actually forgot about that one. I'll say that Uub resurrected Maron, only for her to be vaporized a second after resurrecting.

[X] If he's going to go this far past his own limits it would be shameful to not try the same. Try to use the Kaio-Ken with no training to make up the difference.

Y'know what? Screw it, I vote to roll the dice. It won't kill us or derail the campaign, and we might get the shiny toy. I'm all for grabbing for the shiny when we know there's a safety net.

Careful. If you do crit-fail, Jaffur is your only safety net, and he has to make two checks and give a damn about your life to figure out what's going on and intervene in time. You could die.

That said...Dovie'andi se'tovya sagain!
 
They remember Roshi in particular very well, since his style formed the basis for the styles of half the Z Fighters (in particular Goku's).
Oh, please tell me Master Roshi is some kind of holy figure or saint. Nothing would make me happier.

Oh, old age, long before then.
I thought Master Roshi was the can't die of old age but can die of murder type of immortal?

At least, that's what I always pegged him as.
 
Oh, please tell me Master Roshi is some kind of holy figure or saint. Nothing would make me happier.


I thought Master Roshi was the can't die of old age but can die of murder type of immortal?

At least, that's what I always pegged him as.

To some he's the equivalent of Abraham.



Oh, I did not know that.

'Kay, he dead. Blew up with Earth.

Yes, I believe that's correct. As I recall, he's hundreds of years old at the start of Dragonball. I'd have to double check to be sure.
 
New count.

[x] Head-to-head. You need to take him down fast, before he can pull something else out of the box.
5 votes

[x] Head-to-head. You need to take him down fast, before he does serious damage to himself.
8 votes

[X] If he's going to go this far past his own limits it would be shameful to not try the same. Try to use the Kaio-Ken with no training to make up the difference.
3 votes

Actually a surprising amount of movement on that. I'll leave it a bit longer before closing up. Also

319 years old, yeah.

I don't know if I welcomed you yet and the thread is getting long enough for checking manually to be a pain. Better safe than sorry. Welcome!
 
We're blond and seen as a disappointment. He's the prettyboy.

Let's 'KO' the everliving hell out of 'Ken'.

...and now I have this mental image of a Saiyan fighting with Aqua's Barbie Girl being pumped into her earbuds. I might be a monster.
 
[x] Head-to-head. You need to take him down fast, before he does serious damage to himself.
 
I'm away from my computer, so no tally just yet, but vote closed. I'll update this post with the tally later and then get the update out.

EDIT: Pretty sure head-to-head with health concerns won, though.

EDIT 2: Yup, by a huge margin.

[x] Head-to-head. You need to take him down fast, before he can pull something else out of the box.
5 votes

[x] Head-to-head. You need to take him down fast, before he does serious damage to himself.
10 votes

[X] If he's going to go this far past his own limits it would be shameful to not try the same. Try to use the Kaio-Ken with no training to make up the difference.
3 votes
 
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Doing rolls for the update. I'll post soon if there are any that would meaningfully benefit from cookies.

EDIT: Jaffur continues to laugh at petty concepts such as "statistics" by acing yet another exhaustion check. I definitely need to give him a trait out of this, Vegeta wasn't this durable.

EDIT 2: You're actually holding your own passably well given the skill gap and the fact that you're on equal ground at the moment.

EDIT 3: Well, you're at least keeping him busy enough that he can't pull any more bullshit out to kill himself with.

EDIT 4: And at this point I can reveal no more without seriously spoiling your enjoyment of the update. I'll give you a hint, though: my wife is cackling.
 
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