- Location
- Rockford, USA
- Pronouns
- They/Them
I am happy about these questions. This is nice.
They have not tried, largely out of sheer existential terror/sheer societal pressure. As for the more advanced forms, they remember that they exist, even though some of them do wonder why Super Saiyan 3 is so consistently glossed over in histories. It really cuts the Exiles' ability to appreciate the might of Super Saiyan transformations when one of them is treated so casually and insignificantly in their anim- HISTORIES. YES. [/salt] They do know about Vegeta's form (Ascended Super Saiyan) and Trunks's immediately after (Ultimate Super Saiyan), but managed to preserve the secret of mastering the first form and thus know that those forms are corrupted versions of the first.
The answer to all of these is actually fairly simple: culture shock. Imagine: your homeworld, a place of incredible magic, technology, and might, has just been vaporized while the most powerful of your families blew themself up to do it. You are hunted by an enemy so fearsome you're lucky that you never saw their face. And the best place you could think to find lands you square in the middle of the Dung Ages.
They clung to anything that set them apart, that made them them. They picked many things -- their technology, which they couldn't reproduce, their culture, which range rather hollow in a group of about twenty people, and their heritage, which was immediately visually apparent and never, ever, went away. By the time Mato's grandchildren were born, the exiles were already clinging to their Saiyan heritage. Especially since one of the other things they clinged to was each other, romantically, for Mato's generation. And the next generation after, they ran into the thorny problem of, "Well now who are we supposed to f*ck?" And thus, they were forced to interbreed with the natives, at quite some reluctance, which drove them harder into the arms of their heritage. The first locals to marry in...did not have a great time. So, the lines were interbred in the very first generation, but had to scatter immediately afterwards. Defining themselves based on who they descended from more came a few generations later, once they'd codified that they couldn't breed with any non-humans since everybody was related to everybody else.
In the translations I've read, those two were simply snipped at birth, in a rather uncomfortable echo of vasectomies. So, nope!
They remember everything that Goku felt willing to talk about. So they remember everything, along with some very misleading miscommunications that result from trusting the word-of-mouth of Son Goku as your primary historical source. That said, they've got the gist. They remember Roshi in particular very well, since his style formed the basis for the styles of half the Z Fighters (in particular Goku's).
They passed it down. No one person knew both at first, so there were some moments where the knowledge was very fragile, but unlike Goku the exiles had no compunctions about sharing their super-special techniques.
They were afraid it would be too predictable. Earth was never really dialed into the galactic community, but the death of Freeza made waves. Everybody in the galaxy knew not to f*ck with Namek unless you wanted Super Saiyans crawling up your ass, and when even gods were helpless against this threat, the exiles knew they couldn't go there.
Have any of the Lords or Scions ever tried to go beyond Super Saiyan? For that matter, how much do they remember about any of the more advanced forms? Would they be able to tell a true Super Saiyan 2 from the form Vegeta used against Semi-Perfect cell?
They have not tried, largely out of sheer existential terror/sheer societal pressure. As for the more advanced forms, they remember that they exist, even though some of them do wonder why Super Saiyan 3 is so consistently glossed over in histories. It really cuts the Exiles' ability to appreciate the might of Super Saiyan transformations when one of them is treated so casually and insignificantly in their anim- HISTORIES. YES. [/salt] They do know about Vegeta's form (Ascended Super Saiyan) and Trunks's immediately after (Ultimate Super Saiyan), but managed to preserve the secret of mastering the first form and thus know that those forms are corrupted versions of the first.
How did they come to identify as Saiyans? I don't think Gohan and Pan ever did (at least not more than they identified themselves as humans/hybrids), and I'm not sure Trunks would either. Also, when did Vegeta's line and Goku's line interbreed? Pan's generation, Mako's generation or later?
The answer to all of these is actually fairly simple: culture shock. Imagine: your homeworld, a place of incredible magic, technology, and might, has just been vaporized while the most powerful of your families blew themself up to do it. You are hunted by an enemy so fearsome you're lucky that you never saw their face. And the best place you could think to find lands you square in the middle of the Dung Ages.
They clung to anything that set them apart, that made them them. They picked many things -- their technology, which they couldn't reproduce, their culture, which range rather hollow in a group of about twenty people, and their heritage, which was immediately visually apparent and never, ever, went away. By the time Mato's grandchildren were born, the exiles were already clinging to their Saiyan heritage. Especially since one of the other things they clinged to was each other, romantically, for Mato's generation. And the next generation after, they ran into the thorny problem of, "Well now who are we supposed to f*ck?" And thus, they were forced to interbreed with the natives, at quite some reluctance, which drove them harder into the arms of their heritage. The first locals to marry in...did not have a great time. So, the lines were interbred in the very first generation, but had to scatter immediately afterwards. Defining themselves based on who they descended from more came a few generations later, once they'd codified that they couldn't breed with any non-humans since everybody was related to everybody else.
Are any of the Saiyans ever born without tails like Goten and Trunks?
In the translations I've read, those two were simply snipped at birth, in a rather uncomfortable echo of vasectomies. So, nope!
How accurate is their knowledge/stories of the Z fighters? Also, since Vegeta is a pretty big hero, how much do they remember of Goku's adventures before he learned he was a Saiyan? How much do they remember about Roshi, for instance?
They remember everything that Goku felt willing to talk about. So they remember everything, along with some very misleading miscommunications that result from trusting the word-of-mouth of Son Goku as your primary historical source. That said, they've got the gist. They remember Roshi in particular very well, since his style formed the basis for the styles of half the Z Fighters (in particular Goku's).
This question probably isn't very relevant, but was Instant Transmission and Kaio-ken passed down or did the Saiyans re-invent them later?
They passed it down. No one person knew both at first, so there were some moments where the knowledge was very fragile, but unlike Goku the exiles had no compunctions about sharing their super-special techniques.
Also, this last question is about the backstory and the answer could possibly be spoilers (possibly something to do with Gohan's message to Mako?) Why didn't they go to Namek? Did they simply not have the coordinates of New Namek and no one with instant Transmission who'd ever been there, or were they afraid going to Namek would be too predictable?
They were afraid it would be too predictable. Earth was never really dialed into the galactic community, but the death of Freeza made waves. Everybody in the galaxy knew not to f*ck with Namek unless you wanted Super Saiyans crawling up your ass, and when even gods were helpless against this threat, the exiles knew they couldn't go there.