Marked for Death: A Rational Naruto Quest
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- naruto rationalist romance armageddon is looking better and better damn you kishimoto explosions everywhere explosives solve everyone if in doubt surrender to the mercy of zabuza it seemed like a good idea at the time looks like a really bad case of being a jōnin my god. where does the lore end? precommitting is the winning plan screaming in kagome screw the rules i have explosives something bad might still happen sometimes you gotta sociopath stabby zabby subsection c of paragraph 9 should include we can weaponize this so hard open voting
redzonejoe
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I'll have you know that the sage damns nothing and nobody.Sage damn it vecht. If you get us killed because you designed an original character I will be miffed enough to take back 2 nice things I have said about you
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Except for Kagome's dreams
redzonejoe
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Well it's more of a...Except for Kagome's dreams
He just kinda...
Well does Hazou know that?
Actually, me objecting to that as an accepted swear again, this time with
The term 'damn it' refers to a condemnation of something. In the context of 'god damn it' it refers to an all-powerful deity condemning a soul to a rather unsavory afterlife. Or something. If you damn an item, does it go to object hell?
Substituting 'sage' for god in the swear due to the lack of religeous idols doesn't actually make sense, as the Sage was merely a very powerful and wise human(...type thing) like Buddha, rather than an omnipotent god with power over souls and the afterlife.
I don't believe anybody would ask the peace loving sage to damn somebody or something, so the phrase 'sage damn it' would never have come into circulation.
With the lack of firm belief in any specific afterlife, most notably the negative hell equivalent of one, I don't think 'damn it/you' would be used either.
I think a more likely swear to use in times of frustration might be 'curses!', such that one wishes misfortune on another (or is reacting to misfortune in their own life).
'Curse it all' or even 'Condemnation!' might be acceptable swears in Narutoverse. 'Sage damn it' is likely not.
And of course, dumbutt or stinker or poophead are all applicable because those are indications of gross biological functions, which even ninjas must deal with. And of course being called poop is an unflattering insult.
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*warning: needless shitposting follows*
*remembers a fellow hiker named Poopsmaster*
She certainly didn't mind the name
Maybe, but according to Kagome, the Sage is actually immortal, and can also bring the dead back to life. Being able to bring a dead person back into being and torment them for eternity seems like a fitting analog
I think Kagome blames half the world's problems on the Sage?
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*remembers a fellow hiker named Poopsmaster*
She certainly didn't mind the name
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And yet Kagome isn't the one using those swears.*warning: needless shitposting follows*
Maybe, but according to Kagome, the Sage is actually immortal, and can also bring the dead back to life. Being able to bring a dead person back into being and torment them for eternity seems like a fitting analog
I think Kagome blames half the world's problems on the Sage?
Wait wut...
*remembers a fellow hiker named Poopsmaster*
She certainly didn't mind the name
...
Like irl? Neat.
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That's pretty S I C C.
On explaining ourselves to Noburi, I think we should focus a bit more on how we are constantly planning as hard as possible to make sure that everybody comes out alive, and it hasn't really sunk in yet that that's no longer quite as necessary. I would suggest something along the lines of:
When Hazou was deciding what to do and what plans to put forward he immediately optimized for "how do I make sure none of my friends dies today" to the exclusion of all else. We were so mono-focused on making sure nobody died even if things went horribly wrong that we simply didn't notice that we were giving up someone else's secret in exchange for that. Hazou still hasn't properly adjusted to the fact that we're no longer missing nin and he no longer has to constantly think up and execute any plan he can think of to increase the team's short term chances of survival.
I think this explanation works because it's both an in character way for Hazou to have made this mistake and also probably the reason the thread made it. That's obviously a very bad blind-spot to have, and we've wronged Noburi and the rest of the clan greatly through our carelessness. Hazou should probably be relegated to punching things, inventing seals, and on request making plans to run by the clan.
I also believe that we shouldn't actually use the term "Hidden Swamp" before we get confirmation that telling the story is okay with out teammates. Maybe even after. Instead we should probably ask if it's okay to tell the story of how we became missing nin.
You should probably add a section for explaining why Minami knows we're the Cold Stone Killers, if someone else brings it up. I think we should say that Hazou thought she already knew, having already known we were Mist missing nin who had killed one Jonin and dropped a building on another. Hazou thought it was sufficiently obvious that she would have already figured it out, and that explaining how the entire situation was supposed to be a simple scroll copying mission that had spiraled out of control might put her more at ease, and make it less likely she would view us as dangerously unstable enemies.
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Cariyaga
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This is almost-completely irrelevant to the current situation. I mean, yeah, it gives her more ammunition against us, but.
I wouldn't be surprised if the next update will consist of scenes past us defusing the situation with Minami. I wouldn't be surprised if, after the situation is defused, we get chewed out by our team. If that happens, I think it's somewhat likely that someone will ask us why Minami suddenly knows that we're the Cold Stone Killers. I don't think we should bring it up, but having a section to address it if someone else does seems like a good contingency to have.
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I think you have a good start in your plan, especially with making the Nara hand sign. I think it would be beneficial for people to reread the relevant passage:
That description Minami gave us sounds a lot like what we really, really need from her right now, and clearly has significant personal importance to her that may give her pause if she sees it.
What I would add is that Hazō should implore her ASAP to remember that Jiraiya trusts us, and that Hazō has just acted to save her life, so please give us a chance to explain ourselves.
Additionally, I would propose changing one of the bullet points:
- Ask them, if it's okay, if you could tell Minami the story of
the Village Hidden in the Swamphow we became missing nin. She needs to understand.
Cariyaga
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Are we okay with characterizing Hazou as something of a tormented pacifist? Because I feel like that, ala this:
Could probably be one of our better options for salvaging this.
Could probably be one of our better options for salvaging this.
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The thing is, the canon Narutoverse is deeply, fundamentally irrational. The fact that ninja communicate by messenger birds while having real-time satellite uplink isn't just a funny example, it's a statement of the level of rationality Kishimoto had when he designed the setting as a whole. That level, that mode of thinking, is the bedrock of the canon Narutoverse.
If we made it a project to create a rational setting from the ground up, it would be impossible for us to end up with something that remotely resembled what Kishimoto made. We could have made a generic "ninja battle wizards" setting, but at the point where we decided to make it a Naruto quest, we ended up with a hard limit on how rational things like politics and society could get.
No, no it isn't. We've been over this many times. Hazō's bloodline is perfect muscle memory. If he has made a certain physical movement, he can make that same movement again without error on any subsequent occasion. You can get creative with it, but the basic ability is very narrowly defined.
Public knowledge =/= common knowledge, and Minami by her own admission hasn't even been outside the Fire Country before. By the same token, it's not like Hazō could list off, say, the top ten most prominent clans of Hidden Rock.
He's the Sage of Six Paths, which refers to the six worlds through which souls travel on the wheel of reincarnation. Setting aside the vast religious mythos that has grown up around him after a thousand years, it is entirely plausible that someone like him could throw your soul into whatever world he liked through ninjutsu alone.
Edit: And if you think the Buddha isn't worshipped as a god in many countries of the world despite having explicitly forbidden his followers to do so, then you haven't been paying attention to world religion in the last 2500 years.
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Unsure if anyone else replied already (still in the process of reading through stuff), I believe this might be what you are looking for?
And in support of Hazo and protest against OPSEC, I will even tell you how I found it so you can do it yourself next time.
Googled this string:
site:https://forums.sufficientvelocity.com/threads/marked-for-death-a-rational-naruto-quest.24481/ "(dice + dice)^0.65"
(Even if this isn't exactly the correct post, the search string gives you tons of posts that use that syntax to find the one you are looking for.)
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I know, right? Totally addictive.
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Man, not cool. Maybe it's unkind, yeah, but I said it exactly because I respect them, so I believe they can take the truth, so don't say who I do and don't respect, that's unkind and disrespectful.
Also words of wisdom for people writing stuff on teh interwebs : If you make a chapter of a thing, and lots of people become meaniepats because they don't like it, it's because they care, the thing you made is important to them in some way. You can get all upset at all the mean things, but you could take, even the meanest thing as a compliment, because that guy cared enough to write a 5 paragraph thing about you being a poopyhead for killing off a character.
I mean, I would never shitpost in a thread I don't care about. And I mean it, all three of you silly author people.
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I think you're drawing meaning where it's not intended to be. That comment was made when multiple people were ragging on the QMs very discourteously -- at least one of which came into the thread specifically to do so, having not read it before, and they only stopped when a mod came in. Additionally, the context of the word "disrespectful" as Veedrac was using it is not the kind of context where it is up to the person speaking. In that context, whether something is respectful or not is not up to the person saying it to decide. Just like you don't get to decide whether calling someone names is rude (e: or playful teasing, or a fond nickname), or tell someone who's clinically depressed (or just having a bad day!!!) that they have no reason to be sad, it is not for you to decide whether something is respectful or not. Veedrac, by my reading, was attempting to get across that from their modelling of the QMs it would come across as disrespectful.
Furthermore, and perhaps more importantly, being upset about how things turn out is not an excuse for such behaviour, and I believe it is wrong to expect that someone who puts great time and effort into something -- as the QMs quite clearly do for this -- to not take offense to overt rudeness and deprecation toward their work.
On a personal level, when I've done writing myself, I have always been terrified to share my work for fear of just that kind of behaviour. Shit sucks. I don't want people I care about to feel that way.
CCNJ Postscript: Italics for emphasis, I'm not super upset or anything.
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That makes you exceptional, or at least unusual. Drive-by trolling is uncommon in this thread, but it has certainly happened, and it's far more prevalent in other parts of the Internet.
Per requests, I have updated the plan in various minor ways. Changes in red.
Added something along those lines.
Hazou had no idea he was leaking info their group was the 'Stone Cold Killers' because it hasn't really sunk in how big a deal that is to everyone. But I did put in something.
Contingency in place.
Okay, made that mod.
Added something along those lines.
Hazou had no idea he was leaking info their group was the 'Stone Cold Killers' because it hasn't really sunk in how big a deal that is to everyone. But I did put in something.
Contingency in place.
Okay, made that mod.
Idea for our current situation:
Hazou asks Keiko to summon [a pangolin; Pandour?] to witness an oath made to Minami that if Kagome makes a move against her, he'll kill himself. (Is there any problem suicide can't solve?
I'm currently mulling over a plan myself that would get Kagome to stand down for sure that would involve almost just that - threaten to commit ritual suicide in front of Minami's clan as recompense if Kagome tries to hurt her for any other reason than she's trying to kill the team (current situation excluded since it's self-defense) and he'll swear it on his father's grave. He'll give reasoning that he knows that Kagome would lay down his life to protect the team, and Hazou is no different, even if that means protecting the team and Kagome himself from Kagome's impulsive urge to blow up every threat even when it's not appropriate.
