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Yeah, I thought I mentioned that with the request to add. This is not something that we'll get for free, but we *do* need to start it as soon as possible. The more we procrastinate this the more sad Kagome would be.
Marked for Death: A Rational Naruto Quest
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- naruto rationalist romance armageddon is looking better and better damn you kishimoto explosions everywhere explosives solve everyone if in doubt surrender to the mercy of zabuza it seemed like a good idea at the time looks like a really bad case of being a jōnin my god. where does the lore end? precommitting is the winning plan screaming in kagome screw the rules i have explosives something bad might still happen sometimes you gotta sociopath stabby zabby subsection c of paragraph 9 should include we can weaponize this so hard
Yeah, I thought I mentioned that with the request to add. This is not something that we'll get for free, but we *do* need to start it as soon as possible. The more we procrastinate this the more sad Kagome would be.
Are you asking for a build plan up to the 16k XP mark?
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I actually think that this is the best time to ask. We'll appear authoritative, Naruto will want to do something, and even if he says he'll need to think about it, the framing is right and first impressions matter.
@faflec I'm going to fork and add asking back in - alternately, if you'll adopt the changes, I can just suggest some edits.
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More of a "what combat stats should Hazou be aiming for, so that he can safely clear combat without getting Severes?".
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Go ahead and suggest them, I don't mind one way or another since I have like 50 words or so.
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Vague plan, linked in sig.
Strictly limited to ABs, though. I'm not plotting out X0s through X9s. Those are too mercurial, and subject to change.
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[X] Action Plan: Foxes and Snakes and Dead Men, Oh My!
Good enough for everything we want to accomplish in the short term
Good enough for everything we want to accomplish in the short term
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Hm. Athletics 50, Alertness 40, or thereabouts?
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With socials supporting, yeah.
I mean like for a reasonable build that can fight fresh jounin and win? Ath 59/Alt49/Tai49
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I think I could see this, yes. I'd prefer we get PS up to 26 as we get combat skills up (maybe after we level combat enough to break the next stagnancy we can shift to PS before going back?) but this seems reasonable.
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For me personally, the goal is at least 5 points of Ath per 1k XP/combat unlock until Hazou's got a jonin dodge (Ath 59) and ideally decent Alertness and TJ as well (49/49 would be my preferred). This lets him start hitting well into the hundreds for a critical dodge.
59 + 7 (boost) + 13 (sub) + 11 (RRB) + 3x invoke = 111
If you factor in the extra ~36 points of difference in rolls he could take in stress/consequences he could quite plausibly survive an essie blitzing him for a round and then reverse summon (exceptions being things like Amaterasu or maybe Hidan's gimmick if it operates across paths.)
Once he's at that level I feel more comfortable doing things like visiting the dungeon Ami told us about and so on. The QMs have more or less said plot-relevant encounters are worth more for stagnancy. Relatedly, the most critical thing for me is that he's keeping pace with Kei and Noburi's strength in combat, so they can do things like the fire cave together without him getting wrecked.
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49/49/59 is...a lot, IMO. If the primary goal is to survive an essie blitz, would 40/40/59 be acceptable instead? We keep the Athletics speed, which is what really matters when it comes down to not dying, and the Alertness/Taijutsu is more useful for fighting back (irrelevant against S-rankers). This way also saves us like 400XP which we can put into socials/sealing.
Unless I've missed something?
Unless I've missed something?
Cariyaga
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It is a lot, but in the context of "5 points per 1000 XP" that's only, at most, 284/1000.
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Note that it would definitely be a scene if I was writing it, but the next update is by @Velorien and it's possible that he's willing to offscreen this.
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Better than no investment certainly, but imo the primary goal is to be able to whip ass as needed, not just survive an essie blitz (though the latter certainly matters)
Who knows when we will need to fight more golems to get substrate or some similar scenario - this was my original complaint, we don't know what kinds of encounters Hazou will need to do in the future. What if we were in a fire cave where only TJ worked instead of only ninjutsu, what if the Dogs need Hazou to help fend off the Necromancer Dragon's undead army, what if etc etc
Levelling a support without going to X9 in the main feels a bit of a waste. Also, I see little reason for Hazou to level Alertness to 40 at this juncture - he is not beating jounin with it, and unless he were it confers zero benefit. Similarly, Taijutsu does not help his survivability at all, as Hazou wants to reverse summon round 1 in any fight until like 18k XP where he will have decent combat stats, and at that point he will likely fight with Runes/Seals rather than Taji anyway.
For these reasons I would rather ignore Alt and Taji and level Substitution 20 -> 40 as a support for Athletics 59, giving Hazou almost guaranteed survival against a lone Essie's blitz round.
There is no need for any more supports then either, social or otherwise, other than PS 30 once Athletics moves into the 50s, but PS was going there anyway on route to PS 31 Sealing 59.
Overall this saves thousands of XP for no loss of combat power. Once we are stronger we can get socials etc just fine, but doomsday clock is ticking.
For these reasons I would rather ignore Alt and Taji and level Substitution 20 -> 40 as a support for Athletics 59, giving Hazou almost guaranteed survival against a lone Essie's blitz round.
There is no need for any more supports then either, social or otherwise, other than PS 30 once Athletics moves into the 50s, but PS was going there anyway on route to PS 31 Sealing 59.
Overall this saves thousands of XP for no loss of combat power. Once we are stronger we can get socials etc just fine, but doomsday clock is ticking.
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Cure for wandering wits so we can recruit the Bear Summoner - ideally as part of a broader toolkit / reference text for central nervous system maintenance and repair which Oro could simply retrieve from some library in his basement and hand off to Tsunade, letting her figure out the details.
Area-effect sterilization or other surgery-related utilitarian seals, if he has any which would be similarly off-the-shelf.
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what if the Dragons challenge Hazou to an UBW contest
Sorry, couldn't help myself. You aren't wrong that more levels would let us fight back against higher-level threats, but the threats we're going to be facing are either way out of our league (Akatsuki, Dragons) or are covered by the 40/40/59 statline (lower-level punks). The XP from those extra 9/9 levels would be better spent increasing our social skills or PS levels, IMO.
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I mean, that amount of XP going into socials/pyramid to support them instead isn't gonna make too much of a dent against our big threats either IMO - best case is buying supports and getting Rapport to eff 40s or something. PS has a better argument there I'd think. But I'm more willing to hash that out as it gets closer, so long as we're committed to something along the lines of what I proposed before
(Callig -> 47, PS -> 20, Deceit -> 30, Ath -> ~43, PS -> 26)
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Hm. Are you opposed to leveling PS to 10 first? It gets us the first +AB and if we're going to be negotiating with Orochimaru at any time in the near future I would very much want us to have the highest PS possible, at least in the short term.
We can level PS to 11 right now, now that you mention it...
Thanks, edits made below.
Advocating for my fork:
- Spends less time gaming out exactly how we could fight the Akatsuki, which Naruto and his advisors are better at anyways.
- I think Naruto will already be biased towards fighting and don't want to encourage him.
- Adds a second scene where we talk to Mari and Kei about the Orochimaru/related ideas the thread as been arguing over for weeks.
- We really need to know their advice OOC when we vote in the Orochimaru deal, rather than just typing "sanity check".
- Asks for Kagome Shadow clone
- Tells Gaku/Mari to start doing gemstone sale stuff.(Offscreen)
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Hmm, sure, that makes sense to me
Speaking as someone who just was arguing for raising Callig first, I think this is the right call.