Remove ads

Marked for Death: A Rational Naruto Quest

Reader mode
faflec said:
Things I may or may not be changing before the deadline:
  • Re-adding in asking Naruto to give Kagome SCs: Will add IFF Velorien says it is OK and it will be off-screened.
  • Changing the Yuno section to having Mari/Kei deal with it IC: Will add, unless pushback happens.
  • Suggesting that we turn in seals Itachi took during his dimensionalism raid: Will add, unless pushback happens.
Please talk it out; I always get worried if people don't say anything.
Click to expand...
Click to shrink...
All looks fine to me. Except DEs are chunin level. So just RBs are relevant to bullet 3.
 
_The_Bomb said:
@faflec can you ask Mari et al. about submitting rocket boots and directional explosives (etc.) as part of our contribution?

[X] Training Hazou: NONE
Click to expand...
Click to shrink...
No.
Our RRB research is useless without RB, and RB is near-useless without DE.
Remember how Hazou could barely make any RB progress until he learned DE?
Giveing Sasori the simple versions would let him research the otherwise-inaccessible advanced versions.
 
_The_Bomb said:
Yeah DEs are also stolen. And not jōnin level so useless anyway.
Click to expand...
Click to shrink...
ehhhh. It's not like they have a [system] screen floating in front of them. they can't use the gamer's observe skill to determine the exact difficulty rating of an object. If we're going to throw the fact that they already stole seals from us to wiggle out of their demand for more seals, I'm sure we could also make the very truthful claim that this was the secret and prized seal of a jonin sealmaster. More importantly, if we're going that route we're sending the message "You wanted seals, you stole seals, our obligation is done". If we send another seal, that message goes out the window and things get kinda murky.
 
faflec said:
Things I may or may not be changing before the deadline:
  • Re-adding in asking Naruto to give Kagome SCs: Will add IFF Velorien says it is OK and it will be off-screened.
  • Changing the Yuno section to having Mari/Kei deal with it IC: Will add, unless pushback happens.
  • Suggesting that we turn in seals Itachi took during his dimensionalism raid (EDIT: unrelated to dimensionalism): Will add, unless pushback happens.
Please talk it out; I always get worried if people don't say anything.
Click to expand...
Click to shrink...
I am cool with these changes.
 
faflec said:
Suggesting that we turn in seals Itachi took during his dimensionalism raid (EDIT: unrelated to dimensionalism): Will add, unless pushback happens.
Click to expand...
Click to shrink...
I'm very leery about this unless we coach it in very cautious terms, because my default expectation is that the ultimate rules of this game is "make Sasori content we fulfilled our end of the deal" and therefore anything he would consider rules-lawyering is an automatic loss.

My expectation here is that we'll have to be submitting seals from Jiraiya's stockpile, and I'm sure Naruto hates the idea as much as us, so if we do suggest this we definitely should not push the topic at all. If Naruto tells us to just submit two of Jiraiya's seals, we don't argue technicalities or anything, we just accept that Naruto doesn't believe the risk to Leaf is worth it.

Soft, cautious suggestion, and then we trust Naruto to either run with the idea or shut it down. Anything harsher than that, like trying to argue our case to an intelligent person who already cares deeply about Jiraiya's legacy and is fully capable of connecting the dots from the basic seed of an idea, I definitely wouldn't want in the plan.
 
Didn't Itachi say that Sasori's rules were "jonin seals he doesn't already have?" Or am I misremembering?
 
Tbh I don't see giving Sasori Seals as particularly problematic - he is S-Rank at Sealing if a bit less good at it than Oro or us without the Severe - and he has had multiple decades to accumulate knowledge and come up with a wide sealing repertoire. A bunch more jounin seals won't matter much as they are already dime a dozen to him, especially since he will have to learn anything new anyway - and he is perfectly capable of developing his own from scratch. The Leaf Seal pile will at best give him Notes allowing him to get what he was gonna come up with on his own anyway, a little faster.
 
Last edited:
Possibly final changes; could someone check them over in case the last edits are problematic? Especially the Sasori thing.
faflec said:
This is IV's protoplan, with details added in.

[X] Action Plan: Foxes and Snakes and Dead Men, Oh My!
Word Count: <400
  • Sanity-check: MK.
  • Naruto:
    • Surrender Sasori's price.
      • Choose (w/ sanity-checkers, Kagome) the least-useful seals Sasori will accept.
      • Hazou/Kagome, as senior sealmasters, have veto power.
      • Suggest we offer non-dimensionalism seals Itachi stole when he took those seals (and make absolutely sure with MK and Naruto that it'll fly; we don't want a game over).
    • Dimensionalism:
      • Debrief Naruto.
      • If we do nothing, we must assume Pain will resurrect.
      • Our options: Move or close the rift permanently.
        • Both risk incurring Akatsuki's wrath AND require novel sealtech.
        • Moving it is probably harder but much more valuable if we can pull it off.
        • Alternatively, kill some/all the Akatsuki. Plausibly more difficult, but may be necessary regardless.
          • Without Sasori they cannot complete the research.
          • They travel in pairs - Eliminating each pair shrinks their S-ranker advantage.
          • Summoners pose additional danger due to reverse summoning - need to kill them before they do.
          • Orochimaru likely knows their weaknesses and should be consulted.
          • Given the Rift's static nature, we might be able to attack while they're exploring it: kill their rearguard and close the rift with them in it.
      • Akatsuki may also interrogate Hazou in case he's disobeyed them. We can:
        • Make Hazou unavailable.
        • Work fast and hope they don't do it.
        • Have Orochimaru do the research instead.
      • Orochimaru's interests should align with ours here, but he may also want to monopolize the portal for his own immortality.
        • Between you and Tsunade, he may listen to reason.
    • Now that we've invented lithosealing, we intend to teach Orochimaru for the Dragonwar.
      • Run Naruto through the risk/reward profile we discussed with Asuma; does he approve?
  • Misc:
    • Cannai: Could you convince Kumafuwafuwa to help fight the Dragons?
    • Kei: Pandā is in Dog; could he be double-assigned as Shark ambassador and work through Dog?
      • Ask Cannai to make sure this is OK with him.
    • Yuno: Let Mari/Kei handle it.
    • Team YOUTH: Please continue delving, but be extra-cautious and don't get hurt. Let us know if you need anything
Click to expand...
Click to shrink...
 
Left-Hand Mutant said:
Ah, got confused if he stole that or RRB, thanks.
That's still an excellent reason to not give up DE.
Click to expand...
Click to shrink...
He stole DE too.

faflec said:
Suggest we offer non-dimensionalism seals Itachi stole when he took those seals (and make absolutely sure with MK and Naruto that it'll fly; we don't want a game over).
Click to expand...
Click to shrink...
Would change this too

Suggest we offer Rocket Boots (and make sure with MK and Naruto that it'll fly; we don't want a game over).

Since the only jounin seals Itachi stole were RBs. Also RBs have minor dimensional aspects.
 
How's this look?
faflec said:
This is IV's protoplan, with details added in.

[X] Action Plan: Foxes and Snakes and Dead Men, Oh My!
Word Count: <400
  • Sanity-check: MK.
  • Naruto:
    • Surrender Sasori's price.
      • Choose (w/ sanity-checkers, Kagome) the least-useful seals Sasori will accept.
      • Hazou/Kagome, as senior sealmasters, have veto power in case of a tie.
      • Suggest we offer the RBs that Itachi stole when he took our seals (and make absolutely sure with MK and Naruto that it'll fly; we don't want a game over).
    • Dimensionalism:
      • Debrief Naruto.
      • If we do nothing, we must assume Pain will resurrect.
      • Our options: Move or close the rift permanently.
        • Both risk incurring Akatsuki's wrath AND require novel sealtech.
        • Moving it is probably harder but much more valuable if we can pull it off.
        • Alternatively, kill some/all the Akatsuki. Plausibly more difficult, but may be necessary regardless.
          • Without Sasori they cannot complete the research.
          • They travel in pairs - Eliminating each pair shrinks their S-ranker advantage.
          • Summoners pose additional danger due to reverse summoning - need to kill them before they do.
          • Orochimaru likely knows their weaknesses and should be consulted.
          • Given the Rift's static nature, we might be able to attack while they're exploring it: kill their rearguard and close the rift with them in it.
      • Akatsuki may also interrogate Hazou in case he's disobeyed them. We can:
        • Make Hazou unavailable.
        • Work fast and hope they don't do it.
        • Have Orochimaru do the research instead.
      • Orochimaru's interests should align with ours here, but he may also want to monopolize the portal for his own immortality.
        • Between you and Tsunade, he may listen to reason.
    • Now that we've invented lithosealing, we intend to teach Orochimaru for the Dragonwar.
      • Run Naruto through the risk/reward profile we discussed with Asuma; does he approve?
  • Misc:
    • Cannai: Could you convince Kumafuwafuwa to help fight the Dragons?
    • Kei: Pandā is in Dog; could he be double-assigned as Shark ambassador and work through Dog?
      • Ask Cannai to make sure this is OK with him.
    • Yuno: Let Mari/Kei handle it.
    • Team YOUTH: Please continue delving, but be extra-cautious and don't get hurt. Let us know if you need anything
Click to expand...
Click to shrink...
 
Adhoc vote count started by Velorien on Jan 10, 2024 at 7:02 AM, finished with 224 posts and 17 votes.
Click to expand...


Voting is closed.

 
I would want to research Chakdar as our first real Rune (after we get RRBs and PS 26 and assuming veterancy from the Chakdar Seal). Being able to detect threats early is step 1 for any static defense runic array that we might come up with - and having one would be of great help to the security of our compound and later Leaf on the whole, no matter what we end up doing. I wonder if something like this would be feasible?

[Rune : Chakdar]
This Rune detects all chakra fluctuations within a huge spherical area around itself and reflects them on its surface, causing parts of the Rune corresponding to the signal's location to vibrate and glow, the intensity attentuating with distance and sheer chakra volume respectively. Different means of use produce different vibrations and colors (adhesion/repulsion, chakra boosting, ninjutsu etc). The Rune is sensitive enough to pick up dormant chakra signatures, such as the chakra coils of ninja and chakra beasts, registering any dormant source above 100 CP as a constant signal.

Actors within Melee Range of the Chakdar Rune :
  • Gain the following advantages against chakra users within AB Zones :
    • +3 AB to Initiative (1st Combat Round only) and Stealth/Genjutsu detection rolls (except Mind Control on self)
    • Immunity to the "Flat-Footed" Aspect on stealth attacks
  • Can make an Examination Check to interpret the subtle glows and vibrations :
    • Roll Examination + 5 AB (or 10 AB against active chakra use) - Zones Away from signal
    • Chakra users defend with Stealth, otherwise fixed TN at QM discretion
Largely immobile like all Runes. Effects do not stack with Chakdar Seals.
 
Last edited:
Crunbum said:
I would want to research Chakdar as our first real Rune (after we get RRBs and PS 26 and assuming veterancy from the Chakdar Seal). Being able to detect threats early is step 1 for any static defense runic array that we might come up with - and having one would be of great help to the security of our compound and later Leaf on the whole, no matter what we end up doing. I wonder if something like would be feasible?

[Rune : Chakdar]
This Rune detects all chakra fluctuations within a huge spherical area around itself and reflects them on its surface, causing parts of the Rune corresponding to the signal's location to vibrate and glow, the intensity attentuating with distance and sheer chakra volume respectively. Different means of use produce different vibrations and colors (adhesion/repulsion, chakra boosting, ninjutsu etc). The Rune is sensitive enough to pick up dormant chakra signatures, such as the chakra coils of ninja and chakra beasts, registering any dormant source above 100 CP as a constant signal.

Actors within Melee Range of the Chakdar Rune :
  • Gain the following advantages against chakra users within 2 AB Zones :
    • +2 AB to Initiative (1st Combat Round only) and Stealth/Genjutsu detection rolls (except Mind Control on self)
    • Immunity to the "Flat-Footed" Aspect on stealth attacks
  • Can make an Examination Check to interpret the subtle glows and vibrations :
    • Roll Examination + 5 AB (or 10 AB against active chakra use) - Zones Away from signal
    • Chakra users defend with Stealth, otherwise fixed TN at QM discretion
Largely immobile like all Runes. Effects do not stack with Chakdar Seals.
Click to expand...
Click to shrink...
"Hey why is this rock in the middle of Konoha constantly vibrating?"
 
Reader mode
You must login or register to reply here.
Remove ads
Back
Top