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- USA
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- He/Him
It's on the beach. Daizen appeared over the water some small distance away from the rift.
Marked for Death: A Rational Naruto Quest
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- naruto rationalist romance armageddon is looking better and better damn you kishimoto explosions everywhere explosives solve everyone if in doubt surrender to the mercy of zabuza it seemed like a good idea at the time looks like a really bad case of being a jōnin my god. where does the lore end? precommitting is the winning plan screaming in kagome screw the rules i have explosives something bad might still happen sometimes you gotta sociopath stabby zabby subsection c of paragraph 9 should include we can weaponize this so hard
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- Yes.
...huh. Why did he activated Skywalkers from the start, then?
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- The Soviet Republic of Canuckistan
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- He/Him
To avoid touching literally any of it, probably.
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- Yes.
Tortoise was fine, though?
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- USA
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- He/Him
What @FaintlySorcerous said.
Tortoise didn't instantly explode, true. Doesn't mean that touching the sand won't slow-acting poison you. Or that it's a good idea to accidentally get some of the afterlife's sand stuck in your sandal treads and thereby bring it back to the Human Path. Or...Tortoise was fine, though?
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- Texas
Might be possible to sneak a +Mood scene with Ino and Akane where they can school Hazo on Leaf Ninja and Civilian architecture. Or maybe a larger meeting with the family + trusted friends (Shiko, Ino, etc)? Or on the third hand, speaking with Spiderwife about how best to plan a compound? Or on the fourth hand, meeting with the architects of the KEI compound? Or on the fif-
Yeah, too many options, not enough ways to make everyone happy.
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- Book Fort
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- They/Them
I wonder if this is what led Itachi to snap, and kill his clan?
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- Yes.
Probably one of the things, yes.
Cariyaga
Handsome Gentleperson
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- United States
...With respect, our lives do not revolve around Kei. If at some point she wants to talk to us about this, she can. If she does not, she can continue throwing tantrums inside her own head.
We did exactly as precedent has dictated we must to avoid her displeasure: We did not put her life at risk (as she has, herself, implied Akane to so be) without her permission. In this case, getting her permission would itself be putting her life at risk.
That aside, we should not be talking to her about this. That's opening up a whole fucking can of worms as regards OPSEC for this, and I do not trust either her or Hazou to keep their mouths shut.
We did exactly as precedent has dictated we must to avoid her displeasure: We did not put her life at risk (as she has, herself, implied Akane to so be) without her permission. In this case, getting her permission would itself be putting her life at risk.
That aside, we should not be talking to her about this. That's opening up a whole fucking can of worms as regards OPSEC for this, and I do not trust either her or Hazou to keep their mouths shut.
[X] Action Plan: Continuing the Plan
Cariyaga
Handsome Gentleperson
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- United States
No, she snarked at us a bit and gave us artistic feedback. That said, I'd be happy to have him talk to Snowflake about it.
Unaligned Player
Agony that desires to meet Extinction
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- Adrift between sanity and madness
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- Shrug
Keiko isn't really surprising. Like I've said before, Hazou has attacks of stupidity, Noburi has glory hunger, Mari has self destructive loathing, Kagome has paranoia, Akane has hollowness, and Keiko has making the most irrational and emotionally taxing decision possible.
Cariyaga
Handsome Gentleperson
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- United States
Let's not be too harsh on her: She has not thrown a tantrum outside of her own head, and has not even let Hazou know, and this is fine. It's okay to be irrationally upset at how things turned out in your head for a while as you work through your emotions.
It's normal and natural to.
Anyway, updated the plan a little. Mostly added to talk to Snowflake about Leaf architecture and art.
It's normal and natural to.
I would also like to point out, however, that in addition to this, if we had let Kei know, she would have been equally at risk to Akane, because she is known to have a vested interest in Isan's wellbeing.
Anyway, updated the plan a little. Mostly added to talk to Snowflake about Leaf architecture and art.
Lying.
Hashirama's Hale Haberdashers!
Genjutsu to make the target cast their most devastating technique on their closest ally cannot hit Akane.
Less worried about this with Mindscan? Much less uncertainty if Akane submits to regular scans.
Breeding resentment for Hazō. Like dating a boy genius solving world problems while living with an abusive parent. Resentment builds for perceived neglect. Being there for her flipped from supportive to reminder of helplessness. Best way to make Akane feel better is no longer by addressing feelings. It is by securing meaningful promises from Asuma. If Asuma vowed to never flatten Isan and never use EM without unanimous vote from members of the compartment there would be much less for Akane to feel bad about. No way to get vows without committed effort.
Cruel to wait for her to resolve to break up when the relationship is bringing her so much pain.
Was Akane always this unquestioning? Feels like Hazō accidentally gaslit her into transferring loyalty from him to the Hokage after she burned the village.
Lowered opinion of herself drove her to rely on unhealthy faith in superiors. Hazō sheds faith from himself.
Far out of the range of expected feelings about the Hokage after the war. Private meeting with Asuma chance for Yamanaka brain washing? If not, appealing to Will of Fire without better understanding of it is dangerous.
... the Thinker Brain is terminal.
Kei goes pretty damn far.
Kei lying to herself about feelings for Mari makes me wonder if she is lying to herself about why she is choosing to take this path to help Akane.
Never gets old.
The bullied becomes the bully.
Internal clan treason? Kei is speeding through her Hazō arc.
If Kei and Mari knew too much information not to fill in the gaps about EM, what can you do? Bringing them into the compartment is something that could never be prevented. Only dangerous if you believe in murderous Asuma. Hiding things from Asuma pushes Asuma to be more murderous.
Noumero
Omit Needless Words
Incorrect. Akane isn't at risk because she knows what the EM nuke is and is opposed to its use. Akane is at risk because she can decide to cast it at any moment. You'll note that Kei doesn't seem to think that Hazou is at risk, here; and Kei herself would've been at even less risk than him, since she's less treasonous, is very, very deeply embedded in Leaf's politics, and would have many, many avengers should she accidentally die (Ami, Gouketsu, ISC, KEI, the Kei...). Indeed, telling her prior to telling Asuma might've actually decreased the risk to Hazou, since it would've ensured that Asuma just can't kill everyone who knows about the nuke.
Kei is upset because, from her perspective, the cost of looping her in was minimal to zero, and given that Hazou had decided not to involve her anyway, she's now perceiving that Hazou expected her contributions to be even less than said minimal/zero cost. Which is incorrect, but because we'd overestimated the danger to her, not because she's underestimating it now.
The one misconception she may be operating on is that she may think that Hazou'd expected the EM nuke to turn out this big (or go nuke at all), and therefore that he'd been continuously making the decision not to run something this big by her before doing it. Instead of a momentary mistake where he erred on the side of not putting her at risk, as it actually happened.
Kei's "tantrums" have an annoying property of being entirely rational emotional reactions, which only read as tantrums because she's picking up on some detail or inference that we've completely missed, assumes that we haven't missed it and decided to do what we did anyway, and inventing the worst possible justification for that. Recall the suicidal Isan plan, and the whole thing where Hazou had to convince her he's not familicidal, but merely able to miss inferences obvious to her.
(In addition to being the Ami Relationship-Myth Dispeller, it's also apparently my role to be the Kei Tantrum Steelmanner. I think this is the fourth time?)
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- USA
Hazou and Kei's XP have been added, Akane only returned from her "chakra beast" hunting mission on the last day of the update, and was thus ineligible for SC training during it.
"Wow, why do I really really want to kill that guy?"
Always fun to read a reaction post. Kei, like Hazou, is being kept in the dark about important stuff, has decided to go pretty damn far for her family even though it's treason, and apparently doesn't care much about authority. I hope it's not terminal. +1, PC of choice, 1d4 in 24h, you know the deal.
Sealing Research:
Hazou (Calligraphy): 30 + 3 (IN) - 3 (dice) = 30
Hazou (Sealing): 46 + 22 (SSA) + 7 (invoke "Promising Sealing Student") + 6 (dice) = 81
Hazou thinks he's nearly finished with the first of Minato's seals. He thinks he could have gotten this seal done much, much faster if his Calligraphy were higher, as he doesn't think he needed prep days for the Sealing roll.
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- Liverpool
I know we have shifted to checking with Mari socially instead of Kei logistically of late, but having Kei's help with the logistics of moving seems like a good thing to consult her on, if you can fit it in.
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- The Void
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- She/Her
Can we pls invest in calligraphy? It's a giant bottle neck to project necromancy and basic survival seals
[X] training plan Hazou: calligraphy
Calligraphy 32 (63 XP)
Save 9 XP
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- uk
FWIW I really dislike all the points of the form 'we want to talk to you Kei, but not right now because you're too angry / prone to bottling things up / etc'
like, even if that is true, it's the worst possible phrasing, basically blaming her emotional state for what _we_ want to do.
'You deserve an explanation but I don't think I'm able to communicate one while you're angry - though I will try if you want it now' is at least taking ownership of our preferences
also huh I was thinking Kei was angry because we didn't optimize the EM experiment plan with her, not the Hokage-handling one. the latter makes more sense tho
like, even if that is true, it's the worst possible phrasing, basically blaming her emotional state for what _we_ want to do.
'You deserve an explanation but I don't think I'm able to communicate one while you're angry - though I will try if you want it now' is at least taking ownership of our preferences
also huh I was thinking Kei was angry because we didn't optimize the EM experiment plan with her, not the Hokage-handling one. the latter makes more sense tho
The chapters deserve better reaction posts than this but dwelling on that gets in the way of posting at all. XP to Noburi, please.
Someone else get in on this! Gratified writers make gratified readers! Will not stop your favourite character from suffering or dying but reading will be such sweet sorrow. Unless your favourite character is Noburi and having bought that 1 XP jutsu changes everything...
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- Liverpool
I also understand part of her frustration to be that we didn't consult her before doing the initial testing in the first place, so she could ask Shikaku-eque questions of "what if it works", and "is this the optimal location"? Going to Shikamaru over her is probably part of it, but it's really the fact that in the entire chain, we didn't use our trusted sister optimizer.
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- USA
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- He/Him
Why is there no FUDGING YES! reaction?
Posts are only allowed one reaction, so I shall put a generic Like on the post itself and offer a ginormous Hugs for this part.
And a massive Insightful for this one. <3
Are you suggesting that your sisters are not already optimal? Tsk tsk.
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- Liverpool
Also, apologies for double post, but I figured it should be asked: I wonder if this makes Akane less likely to get a genin team, or more? Can definitely keep her in the village doing D-ranks for a little while. But having Akane, Noburi and Mari tied up with teams given current state of affairs now feels like a more unfortunate interaction.