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Marked for Death: A Rational Naruto Quest

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faflec said:
This may be true but cannot fully explain their skills given that Kei and Hazou (and Zinnia, arguably) were levitating at the time.
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The golems have perfect situational awareness. The entire cave is a living organism and the area around the crystal is, presumably, hyper-sensitive. As well as the traditional senses (the rock walls can feel the motion of the air etc. produced by our throwing things) it's a magic cave.

What's really interesting is that it knows what an explosive tag is. Sure, it makes great sense to dodge the thrown thing, but it dodged the explosives.

I think that happened before it was 'revealed' that they were explosives, at least?

It treated the first explosive like a thrown weapon - it grabbed it and threw it away. It learned that it exploded, and then it started to bounce them back at us.

This thing learns fast.
 
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FaintlySorcerous said:
The golems have perfect situational awareness. The entire cave is a living organism and the area around the crystal is, presumably, hyper-sensitive. As well as the traditional senses (the rock walls can feel the motion of the air etc. produced by our throwing things) it's a magic cave.

What's really interesting is that it knows what an explosive tag is. Sure, it makes great sense to dodge the thrown thing, but it dodged the explosives.

I think that happened before it was 'revealed' that they were explosives, at least?

It treated the first explosive like a thrown weapon - it grabbed it and threw it away. It learned that it exploded, and then it started to bounce them back at us.

This thing learns fast.
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Alternatively, the overarching intelligence was watching us as we entered the system and saw us exploding other things.
 
[X] Action Plan: Contract Assault
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Plan everything with Kei.
  • Dispel.
  • Assess the situation.
    • Calm down. Deep breaths. Akane and Yuno are competent shinobi. They can win, or at the least retreat.
    • We're low on chakra and don't know what'll be there when we return. OTOH, any enemies won't expect us to show up.
    • We should take the time to heal up and return afterwards, prepared for a fight if it comes down to it.
  • Get ready.
    • Rest up. We want to be at 100% chakra, and no injuries when we return.
    • Get a one-time contract with a high-level combat Dog. Kei has access to Pankurashun (or Pantomaimu?) as combat summons, but Hazou doesn't have anyone: Candoru couldn't beat the golem; Cantelope is FUBAR; and Cangue is not as skilled as Hazou IMO. Ask Cannai for his help (explaining the general situation), then make the appropriate contract while trading with the Dog.
    • Set up seals, jutsu, etc.. When we shift to the Human Path we want to be at full combat readiness.
  • Go.
    • Once we are set to go, pop back into the Human Realm simultaneously. If possible we pop back in with Summons, but if not we should be bleeding in preparation to summon our allies, have Skywalkers activated, and otherwise have seals/weapons in hand.
    • If we see our golem still there we attack. Kei throws Goo Bombs; Summons bash heads; Hazou...readies a defensive MARS system? NB: Need to figure out what Hazou does.
      • We should keep in mind the other dangers in the cave which may require use of chakra/jutsu.
    • If and when we win we break the separating wall with directional explosives and try to group with Akane/Yuno.
 
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faflec said:
[X] Action Plan: Contract Assault

Plan everything with Kei.
  • Assess the situation.
    • Calm down. Deep breaths. Akane and Yuno are competent shinobi. They can win, or at the least retreat.
    • We're low on chakra and don't know what'll be there when we return. OTOH, any enemies won't expect us to show up.
    • We should take the time to heal up and return afterwards, prepared for a fight if it comes down to it.
  • Get ready.
    • Rest up. We want to be at 100% chakra, and no injuries when we return.
    • Get a one-time contract with a high-level combat Dog. Kei has access to Pankurashun as a combat summon, but Hazou doesn't have anyone: Candoru couldn't beat the golem; Cantelope is FUBAR; and Cangue is not as skilled as Hazou IMO. Ask Cannai for his help (explaining the general situation), then make the appropriate contract while trading with the Dog.
    • Set up seals, jutsu, etc.. When we shift to the Human Path we want to be at full combat readiness.
  • Go.
    • Once we are set to go, pop back into the Human Realm simultaneously. If possible we pop back in with Summons, but if not we should be bleeding in preparation to summon our allies, have Skywalkers activated, and otherwise have seals/weapons in hand.
    • If we see our golem still there we attack. Kei throws Goo Bombs; Summons bash heads; Hazou...readies a defensive MARS system? NB: Need to figure out what Hazou does.
    • If and when we win we bust down the wall separating us and try to group with Akane/Yuno.
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Can we specify that Kei keeps enough back to bring Snowflake out and deal with the fish? They'll have had time to recover, probably.
 
FaintlySorcerous said:
We need to leave by the submerged passage full of deadly fish.
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Does this look good?
faflec said:
[X] Action Plan: Contract Assault

Plan everything with Kei.
  • Assess the situation.
    • Calm down. Deep breaths. Akane and Yuno are competent shinobi. They can win, or at the least retreat.
    • We're low on chakra and don't know what'll be there when we return. OTOH, any enemies won't expect us to show up.
    • We should take the time to heal up and return afterwards, prepared for a fight if it comes down to it.
  • Get ready.
    • Rest up. We want to be at 100% chakra, and no injuries when we return.
    • Get a one-time contract with a high-level combat Dog. Kei has access to Pankurashun as a combat summon, but Hazou doesn't have anyone: Candoru couldn't beat the golem; Cantelope is FUBAR; and Cangue is not as skilled as Hazou IMO. Ask Cannai for his help (explaining the general situation), then make the appropriate contract while trading with the Dog.
    • Set up seals, jutsu, etc.. When we shift to the Human Path we want to be at full combat readiness.
  • Go.
    • Once we are set to go, pop back into the Human Realm simultaneously. If possible we pop back in with Summons, but if not we should be bleeding in preparation to summon our allies, have Skywalkers activated, and otherwise have seals/weapons in hand.
    • If we see our golem still there we attack. Kei throws Goo Bombs; Summons bash heads; Hazou...readies a defensive MARS system? NB: Need to figure out what Hazou does.
      • If it remains viable, Kei keeps enough chakra for Snowflake + take care of fish.
    • If and when we win we bust down the wall separating us and try to group with Akane/Yuno.
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faflec said:
If and when we win we bust down the wall separating us and try to group with Akane/Yuno.
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Might specify that we can use directional explosives to get through without killing ourselves in the process

Oh also, the golems are at least partly plant based and some Dogs have plant Element, maybe there's some Dog who could take advantage of that?
 
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Battle looked suspicious. That and the previous bees makes me say. Dispel.

Inferno Vulpix said:
We can afford to take our time on this, nobody's in imminent danger and staying alive is very important.
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Shrooms said:
kind of hard to check on them if we are dead

I'd at least like to be at max chakra before returning, personally
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I think Akane and Yuno will fail to retreat through the water and are in immediate danger. If Kei can get topped off by Noburi one option is her doing an emergency contract with the clan boss (paying him an enormous price) for him to to deal with the golems.

Aodyssey said:
Interesting that the Golems seem to want to talk/intimidate us rather than go for the kills.
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This is OOC information and so is especially vulnerable to be subject to EJ genieing. Ex: perhaps the golems arising from the walls were too disoriented to attack, which is why they were threatening instead of attacking.
 
roobee said:
How much do boss summons cost?
With Kei at 300 CP. +50% overcharging at cost of moderate consequence. Can summon 34k xp summon. Which is ~3-4x Kei's XP

edit: it's also possible that yuno is just strong enough to beat up the golem
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We typically expect that over 500 CP will be needed to summon a Boss, and that some bosses will require 600 CP or more. Even supercharged, Kei can't afford that...

...but we have been flirting with the idea of contracting a strong jounin-tier Dog for our cause, and Kei already has powerful Pangolins on her side if she's able to top up.
 
FaintlySorcerous said:
Can we specify that Kei keeps enough back to bring Snowflake out and deal with the fish? They'll have had time to recover, probably.
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I'd... really, really rather not do this?

Like -- if we need to, we can just have everyone head back to the summon path to restore chakra after we take out the crystal.

What you are asking is to not bring our all to bear against an enemy that is fully capable of killing us.
 
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Thinking about why the golems are shaped like humans. Must be forms stronger than human for combat. Did it make them that way because it sensed us? Did it already know how to make golems from past humans who died in the cave? If these are the same as the golem Jiraiya fought, a way to square how much weaker they are than expected is if they scale to the foe. Hit it with something strong, it heals or learns to block or how to throw the same thing back at you. If it starts copying the effect of Skywalkers it needs to be put down. If it cannot turn off its local omniscience, unrolling a summon scroll may work as a mental hazard.
 
Meanwhile: the squirrel-tribe sealmaster looks at his table. What was that blinking light for again? It couldn't be the cheese refresher, nor the chakra diffusion-bypassing flying ninja point defences ("oh, Shichōmaru, you'll never need that" FAT LOTTA GOOD THIS "YOU'RE PARANOID" TALK DID THE STINKERS WHEN THE BEE TRIBE NINJA STINKERS ATTACKED). Oh, shit, that's the Cutesy Grove defence system! The damn thing was made to keep intruders out, tested on the Cutesy Grove, that little cave system lush with greenery not far from the hidden squirrel clan, but it revealed homicidal, impossible to turn off and it just. kept. learning. How he regretted making it capture chakra from its surroundings to power itself! It only made more and stronger chakra beasts breed, fueling it more and more... Honestly if something could kill this system of his now, he'd celebrate all week long, and maybe even give them something nice for probably maybe perhaps saving the world in the long run. He'd invite them in, treat them to a nice meal of honeyed nuts, and give them one of the things he won't miss but will "help foster good relations with the clan". What about that old summon scroll just lying here, kami know too many tried to use it and died. Or maybe he'd offer a few cheese refresher seals, if he's feeling more generous... Nah, the squirrel scroll would be better. To hell with namesakes, that thing is worse than useless, but would make them happy enough. He'll just check in with his Easy Farsight seal when the light stops blinking, the seal is just lying there in plain sight for easy access but it's not like anyone could copy a seal of this size without him noticing.
 
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Nyaa. Does not change much, but here are bits from before the combat that tipped a little too far in our favor.
eaglejarl said:
I'm not sure how much chakra she has but it's not going to be a lot, especially since there was already some fighting in the hallways. I'll say she's got enough for the Flame Aura and one round of maximum boost.
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Paperclipped said:
Bookkeeping:
  • Current CP
  • Zinnia: 21
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eaglejarl said:
The golem, Kei, Zinnia, and Candoru all dodge. Hazō gets tagged by Kei's explosion. His PCJ already broke, so he takes 1 stress.
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Paperclipped said:
Hazou currently has a full stress track as a result of Earthshaping breaking. He still has PCJ active.
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Full track becomes a Minor with his 1 stress. Intimidating fight. Feels like being chased by the Terminator. Nyaa.
 
Inferno Vulpix said:
We typically expect that over 500 CP will be needed to summon a Boss, and that some bosses will require 600 CP or more. Even supercharged, Kei can't afford that...

...but we have been flirting with the idea of contracting a strong jounin-tier Dog for our cause, and Kei already has powerful Pangolins on her side if she's able to top up.
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We can't summon a strong jonin-tier Dog unfortunately, we can currently at most summon a dog with 13k XP (Hazou doesn't have access to Noburi btw) under the current rules for summoning chakra costs, and with how much chakra we have, summoning is actually rather lackluster as a combat multiplier when you don't have access to extra chakra (Like we normally do with Noburi)
 
eaglejarl said:
The golem flicked both arms forward and the vines around them lashed out, reaching for Kei like hungry lampreys. She fired her off-hand kunai, allowing it to spin instead of lancing with pinpoint precision. The weapon tumbled through the approaching vines, knocking them off course and tangling them momentarily together and slowing them enough that she danced casually aside, her skywalker seals making it easy to glide across air and away from danger.
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Maybe it was just a coincidence, but I noticed that the only projectile that wasn't perfectly deflected, redirected, or dodged was this particular kunai. The golem has already shown that it is capable of perfectly blocking a projectile with the tip of a vine when it deflected the explosive disk.

So why didn't the golem block the kunai with the tip of a vine this time? Or have the vines simply move out of the way like the golem was capable of moving?

If the off-hand kunai not equipped with a seal, maybe the golem couldn't "see" the projectile coming because the kunai was mundane metal and the golem senses chakra.

Perhaps the golem can sense intentions, and therefore was unable to predict exactly how the kunai would bounce because Kei didn't know how it would bounce? Since the golem could predict how a blast disc would bounce, I assume it would be able to predict how a spinning kunai would bounce around.

eaglejarl said:
The golem cocked its head in curiosity (was it startled? did it hesitate?)
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Cocking one's head is a very animalistic behavior. Humans, birds, dogs, cats, and more animals all do it. I've heard that the evolutionary reason it exists is because it changes the elevation of one's ears, making it easier to pinpoint where a sound is coming from. Does the golem actually have ears? Is it just mimicking behavior it has seen in other animals/humans?

eaglejarl said:
Before she could spring forth, Candoru leaped at the golem, rising up from where he had stealthily circled behind it. His jaws gaped wide, otherworldly teeth aimed straight for his enemy's head.

The golem swung a casual backhand, a motion that would have been impossible with human joints.
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The golem didn't turn its head. Can it can see in all directions, or did it use a different sense entirely to locate Candoru? Does it hear Candoru, sense him through air pressure, or sense the chakra of his construct-body?

My theory is that the golem senses chakra, and knew where the stalagmites were positioned because they were part of it's body.

All the other beasts in the cave were hostile, so assuming the golem was hostile was a pretty safe bet, but what if the golem wasn't going to attack? We did attack the golem before it had even moved. Maybe our hostile action/intent made it respond in kind? Resisting Hazō's jutsu isnt necessarily an attack on him. Splitting the party in two does seem rather hostile though.
 
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