Telling Mari and the Yamanaka mental health experts IS the Social plan. When he is needed for input on those things, he can contribute, but he absolutely shouldn't be heading any of this up

Sure, but "input" is not really helpful, as far as "What we need to do", is basically saying "When we'll need to do something, we'll do something", that...sure? My point is that we will need to have a confrontation with Akane about what happened, and we'll need to talk about it, because of what Hazou is for Akane(regardless of the fact we believe it's healthy or not for her) and "reassure her" won't be enough, because she's not simply sad or grieving, she's suffering for a reason, because she thought about it and reached a certain conclusion using her own point of view and values.
See the chapter when tried to do that and she ignored us.
 
Sure, but "input" is not really helpful, as far as "What we need to do", is basically saying "When we'll need to do something, we'll do something", that...sure? My point is that we will need to have a confrontation with Akane about what happened, and we'll need to talk about it, because of what Hazou is for Akane(regardless of the fact we believe it's healthy or not for her) and "reassure her" won't be enough, because she's not simply sad or grieving, she's suffering for a reason, because she thought about it and reached a certain conclusion using her own point of view and values.
See the chapter when tried to do that and she ignored us.
In real life and in-universe it's not the job of anyone in a romantic relationship to be their partner's therapist. Absolutely Hazou can and should be supportive but the "talk about/confront what happened" stuff is just objectively better off in the hands of someone who actually knows how to approach these things imo. If Akane is over glorifying Hazou that's kind of even more reason he shouldn't be the one in charge of this approach, cuz that's kind of toxic
 
I'd prefer if we wouldn't suggest Hazō since that would keep us off the scroll hunt. But that's strictly down to personal preference
We have no idea when the scroll hunt is going to start and we're only gone a week. We also don't know if Hazou is attending the hunt yet, because Asuma is still thinking over the proposals
 
We have no idea when the scroll hunt is going to start and we're only gone a week. We also don't know if Hazou is attending the hunt yet, because Asuma is still thinking over the proposals
Yeah but it decreases the odds of it happening. And they are already super low since we haven't put much real effort into it. Like I said personal preference
 
[X] Action Plan: Dog Ideas

1) (can be off-screened) Tell Mari and Noburi about how Akane is feeling, get advice and discuss how you're planning to bring up (directly and indirectly) at dinner tonight about how she's loved, how war sucks and makes people do terrible things, but that the longterm goal of uplift is to lift up the global standards for everyone making war unnecessary - so people don't need to die anymore, whether Leaf ninja like Haru's teammate, or Rock civilians. That this war, while terrible, is now necessary to reach that goal because of Rock's interference, and anything that helps end it even a little faster is a good thing for that reason, since it will help uplift and therefore help everyone, including the Clan, Leaf, and all of Fire who are the victims of a war of aggression.

2) Have said dinner.
 
Uplift principles and Hivemind not wanting to attack or hurt an ally in order to draw in more support. There was also an undercurrent of stepping on the gas to develop powerful weapons to hit Rock with as an alternative. Don't think Shika or Asuma know much about the air tunneling project though.
Like i alway say the tread is too soft, just crack some sand genin skulls with rocks when it comes to it.
 
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It's only a week, and Mari should also be home

Sure, but also Noburi will be the only one in charge of teaching sealing to Kagome. I'm not saying he can't handle it, but just Noburi when he's also quite busy feels like it'll lead to something like the bank run again. But I do think it would work for a week.

I don't think, on the scale of MfD reality, it is the strategic choice. And I say this as one of the biggest fans of Akane in the thread.
Also, if we got hurt at all going on the mission for her, that would crush her even more. Though that's true of almost anyone going, unfortunately.
 
Sure, but also Noburi will be the only one in charge of teaching sealing to Kagome. I'm not saying he can't handle it, but just Noburi when he's also quite busy feels like it'll lead to something like the bank run again. But I do think it would work for a week.
We haven't gotten any wins while we are in village in years. So unless you have something that will actually matter I can't really support staying in village.
 
Sure, but also Noburi will be the only one in charge of teaching sealing to Kagome. I'm not saying he can't handle it, but just Noburi when he's also quite busy feels like it'll lead to something like the bank run again
Is Noburi actually that busy right now? He definitely finds things to do between the occasional Zoo Rush, but like if he needed to fill in for Hazou for a week I don't think any of those obligations would be that pressing.
 
@eaglejarl and @Velorien can we get a general update on the war as a whole?

Has Cloud done anything since Orochimaru's mission?

What are the Rock and Leaf casualties? Obviously not exact numbers (would cost you too many spoons and war is inherently uncertain, unless you have exact numbers already) but rough Leaf intelligence estimates.

Given the overall number deficits we should have an idea for how much longer Rock (or Leaf!) can maintain the current casualty rates.

In no particular order:

  1. Over the past couple of weeks, Asuma has started ordering a lot of scorch squad missions. Shikamaru thinks that some of them have been of marginal military utility but Asuma has been firm about it without offering any explanation.
  2. After the Orochimaru massacre, Cloud drew back for about ten days and then started plinking around the edges again. They recently stopped and have been holding position outside of Leaf's borders.
  3. Leaf has lost 12 jōnin (some of them special jōnin), three dozen chūnin, and well over a hundred genin.
  4. Losses on Rock's side have been similar, perhaps a bit less.
  5. Given that Leaf started the war with 21 jōnin and Rock started with (best guess) 150-200% of that, Leaf was originally on a sure track to defeat. Mist and Isan reinforcements have evened the odds if not better, but Rock has continued to hold the initiative. Fortunately…
  6. It turns out that Shirogane was the consort of Rock's Kage. The Yamanaka and T&I experts have been peeling his brain like a grape and getting a priceless trove of military data from it. Among the data obtained so far are the locations of multiple unit positions, including half a dozen jōnin (who also hold valuable information) and general outlines of their abilities. Asuma is deploying three separate strike forces, one of them being "Orochimaru, plus two chūnin to deal with standing guard at night and any chaff during the battle." There is an excellent chance to decisively turn the tide of the war.
 
Over the past couple of weeks, Asuma has started ordering a lot of scorch squad missions. Shikamaru thinks that some of them have been of marginal military utility but Asuma has been firm about it without offering any explanation.
So most likely Asuma just wants as much revenge as he can get, and thinks we're in a solid enough position that we can afford to spend extra missions that don't really help much.
 
We haven't gotten any wins while we are in village in years. So unless you have something that will actually matter I can't really support staying in village.

You mean in character, or out of character? In character a couple years is the length of the quest. Out of character, during that time we've gotten educational reform, built a mini-settlement for all who needed a home (and stopped a ton of people from dying), helped with concubine laws, started undermining the Hags from within with the power of support and friendship, started a healthy* poly relationship, etc. I am sorry if these are not things that are the flavor of win that you like, but they are wins I view as meaningful.

And some of our excursions have yielded no meaningful results as well. I'm just saying it isn't a "village bad, expedition good" dynamic. I'm all for going out when it's worthwhile, but I personally at least have been pretty solid on my stance of "any potential shiny needs to outweigh the seemingly double digit chance that all of this reality collapses if Hazou dies and doesn't fix the great seal.

If you don't the stuff we've been doing in the village boring, that's fine. I'm sorry that's the case. But some of us find it enjoyable, and we have been working towards important goals.

Because unless you have something that matters anything close to as much as the great seal, I can't really support leaving it. I honestly would bet that the QMs have a couple timers going "at this point the dragons get too tough to take out with any of these strategies" "at this point, it's damaged enough that these good outcomes are past" etc. If that isn't the case, we're very lucky. But not that we can actually research and Earthshaping to the best of our abilities, that's what we should be putting time into. Taking time to help Akane? Sure, I'm all for it. Getting out of the village just to get out? Sorry, but that's a no from me.

[X] Hazou Training: Good-ass Cheap-ass Buffs
Rocket Jump Stunt (10XP)
Shoryuken (20XP)
Save 28XP

On which note, if we don't know for sure we're leaving the village, I'd really rather spend the XP on the other stuff. I do agree they're really good stunts for the cost though, and won't be disappointed if we get them. I just want to make sure there's other options.

[X] Hazou Training: Working towards sealing cap
Sealing 20 -> 21 (42XP)
Save 16

[X] Hazou Training: none

Oh, we also need to make more good bombs/have more made, I'm noticing. I'm just mentioning it here because I noticed it on Hazou's sheet.

Over the past couple of weeks, Asuma has started ordering a lot of scorch squad missions. Shikamaru thinks that some of them have been of marginal military utility but Asuma has been firm about it without offering any explanation.

That's not great. I know Asuma got better at reigning in his anger, but this really feels like him taking out his anger on soft targets because he can, especially after he said we could try to help save them. Also, not explaining reasoning to a chief strategist feels like a really bad sign.

  1. Leaf has lost 12 jōnin (some of them special jōnin), three dozen chūnin, and well over a hundred genin.
  2. Losses on Rock's side have been similar, perhaps a bit less.

That hurts. We really didn't have a ton to begin with. Over a hundred genin is a lot of young ninja dead. And even if we're holding up better than expected, equal losses with lesser numbers means that the ratio continues to get worse for us.

It turns out that Shirogane was the consort of Rock's Kage. The Yamanaka and T&I experts have been peeling his brain like a grape and getting a priceless trove of military data from it. Among the data obtained so far are the locations of multiple unit positions, including half a dozen jōnin (who also hold valuable information) and general outlines of their abilities. Asuma is deploying three separate strike forces, one of them being "Orochimaru, plus two chūnin to deal with standing guard at night and any chaff during the battle." There is an excellent chance to decisively turn the tide of the war

The Tsuchikage really needs better taste. Oh well, good for us. Those three strikes could help a lot. Loses for us might be bad, but taking out up to 6 Jonin at once would be equal to half the upper rank losses Rock has suffered in total. And if Oro takes his alive, we can get even more. So that's rather encouraging.

Though, if Akane is on one of those strike forces in her current condition, it's going to go rather badly.
 
[X] Hazou Training: Working towards sealing cap
Sealing 20 -> 21 (42XP)
Save 16
This doesn't really do anything right now. We already are at the cap of 25, and to uncap it to 30 you need to be within 5 of 25, so a minimum of 20, which we have. It doesn't grant us anything new in sealing because we would need to raise our calligraphy score a bit to match, maybe not depending on rounding. But it only gives a 1 higher TN even if calligraphy were irrelevant.

if we don't know for sure we're leaving the village, I'd really rather spend the XP on the other stuff
If we don't know, we may not get the chance to vote in a training plan next cycle.
 
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