[X]Training Plan Hazou: None
Marked for Death: A Rational Naruto Quest
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- naruto rationalist romance armageddon is looking better and better damn you kishimoto explosions everywhere explosives solve everyone if in doubt surrender to the mercy of zabuza it seemed like a good idea at the time looks like a really bad case of being a jōnin my god. where does the lore end? precommitting is the winning plan screaming in kagome screw the rules i have explosives something bad might still happen sometimes you gotta sociopath stabby zabby subsection c of paragraph 9 should include we can weaponize this so hard
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The only additional cost would be the 30 xp for physique. I think it's a worthwhile investment, much easier to convince the Toads to teach Noburi sage mode when he's already fulfilled the prerequisites.
PSA: About SC Resolve unlocks
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Could you parse this for me, please? You mean that during the Resolve check after popping a Shadow Clone, if getting -3 on our check would result in us getting a Consequence it would result in a Resolve unlock?
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Well well well, an armor technique. T&I will have a field day.
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I don't know how automated NPC creation is, but that's maybe something to work on.
I think that's right. Hazou has Resolve 29, so he rolls 38 + 4fd vs the TN of the clone roll. So if a 35 gives a Mild Consequence that means we need to roll vs. a TN of 45. Shouldn't be too hard. @Velorien can we use Aspects or rerolls on the Resolve roll for the unlock?
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Sadly, his medical skills are extremely locked up in his low level pyramid, and we can't spend XP right now to raise them. I can try to figure out how to navigate them out of the pits of hell, but no-jumps is going to make it a lot tougher.
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Suffice to say, there were more Shirogane techniques than what we saw on-screen. The con of designing them up front, I suppose. The pro, apart from being able to play intelligently around existing techniques, is that you get to reuse them in the future.Also the value of prepared terrain, a chuunin and a special jounin just wrecked two chuunin and a jounin because while our enemies were sleeping we had stacked every card of the deck in our favour. Just looking at all the buffs we got to add to our rolls compared to them, getting the ambush off turned one kind of curbstomp into the other kind of curbstomp.
I bet in Shirogane Quest the players are gnashing their teeth at how they never got the chance to use any of their OP tricks, and a few are probably calling shenanigans on Akane's Shadow Clones
I have a very shoddy automatic build generator that maps from XP total to (pyramid-valid) stats + stunts + jutsu. Expanding that could be cool, and a GPT-3 integration to automatically generate jutsu or secret tricks would be awesome.
I suspect Aspects wouldn't work -- since if we did use Aspects to increase our roll, we would no longer take a Mild on a -3.
I suspect the same, it is a little bizarre though. The rest of the unlocks haven't been like "since your bonuses make Hazou more than 50% likely to succeed on his Alertness roll there's no unlock this time".
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Suppose you can handle X training blocks without any risk of Consequence (meaning that even on a -12, you cannot take even a Mild Mental Consequence). For Kei, X=14, for Akane, X=13, for Hazou, X=5.
In the long run, what's the optimal number of Shadow Clone training blocks?
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- Always X training blocks.
- X+1
- There's a 1/81 chance that you take a Mild Mental Consequence (on a -12).
- For simplicity's sake, assume that you do not take any training risks on days when you have a Mild. This removes 1 training block.
- For Resolve < 60, this reduces your number of training blocks by 1 for 3 days.
- For 60 < Resolve < 120, this reduces your number of training blocks by 2 for 3 days.
- This happens around 1 in 81 days, and when it happens, affects your training time for 3 days afterwards. We can treat this as an 84 day cycle, with 81 days of (X+1) and 3 days of (X-1) or 3 days of (X-2) depending.
- 81/84 (X+1) + 3/84 (X-1)
- Effectively X + 0.928 training blocks.
- 81/84 (X+1) + 3/84 (X-2)
- Effectively X + 0.893 training blocks.
- There's a 1/81 chance that you take a Mild Mental Consequence (on a -12).
- X+2
- There's a 5/81 chance that you take a Mild Mental Consequence (on a -12 or -9).
- For simplicity's sake, assume that you do not take any training risks on days when you have a Mild. This removes 1 training block.
- For Resolve < 60, this reduces your number of training blocks by 1 for 3 days.
- For 60 < Resolve < 120, this reduces your number of training blocks by 2 for 3 days.
- This happens around 1 in 16 days, and when it happens, affects your training time for 3 days afterwards. We can treat this as an 19 day cycle, with 16 days of (X+1) and 3 days of (X-1) or 3 days of (X-2) depending.
- 16/19 (X+2) + 3/19 (X-1)
- Effectively X + 1.526 training blocks.
- 16/19 (X+2) + 3/19 (X-2)
- Effectively X + 1.368 training blocks.
- There's a 5/81 chance that you take a Mild Mental Consequence (on a -12 or -9).
To uncap, you need to run a day of X+4.
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Unsurprisingly, in ninja war, information is king! Doesn't do your army much good to be twice as strong if the enemy is five times as effective at using what they have. The Yamanaka in this chapter should be proud to be an infiltrator :^)
They deserve it for being dumb enough to flaunt their identity in public during a war. What happened to CONSTANT VIGILANCE? Being a jounin doesn't make you invincible smhI bet in Shirogane Quest the players are gnashing their teeth at how they never got the chance to use any of their OP tricks, and a few are probably calling shenanigans on Akane's Shadow Clones
I do think med skills should remain one of his foremost stats but I think his pyramids block med skills currently, I'd need to check. Plus, more chakra makes him a better Summoner which he's also proud of, and gets him closer to Sage Mode which I expect he'd also be happy to flaunt
I highly doubt Noburi is going to see the field any time during this war
What's the point of raising ES to 34? If we're not going all the way to 40 I don't think we achieve much
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Here are some outstanding SC Training awards for Hazou and Kei. The 8 base XP for Chapter 494 also doesn't appear on any of the party's sheets. Also, I'd like to note this item marked "todo" in Informational:
Which would add a little extra base XP and SC XP, since both Akane and Kei could have trained it (at 1.0x and 1.4x respectively).
This time period has already has XP awarded, in Chapter 492: Out of the Sun. On the off chance the generosity sticks around and you decide to keep the 15 base XP...
Kei: +22.5 XP
Hazou: +10.5 XP
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Uncaps, keeping the thread on focus for ES, and as an answer to Veloriens comments a while ago about leveling stats we *say* we care about (his points were on social stats that we haven't bothered to level, but the idea holds).
This is something Hazō is going to be training in some capacity every single day because it's vital to DRAGONWAR. It's weird for his stats to suddenly jump only when we think it's going to hit a benchmark
Plus, I'd like to remind the thread that Earthshaping is *weird*. It's one of the few non combat jutsu we've seen in the story. I'd say that it's weird enough for us to put aside our expectations of when it "should" unlock shinies and just buy it as we can, because that's 100% what Hazō the character would be doing.
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We should jump to 35 then right? Not 34? 30 and 34 are in the same cap range
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I mean, it's weird, but it's also significantly slower to do it the way you're proposing.
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Does Akane not get XP given that she was at home from 2/20-2/22 and 2/27-2/28?
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It's faster to ES50 to go resolve 30 and then go straight for ES50, but it's slower to get to ES 60 by prioritizing ES now vs. Resolve
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Correct.
Note that you still cannot stack unlocks. You're never unlocked for more than five levels over your current stat, and you need to fill to that level before you can get another unlock.
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Especially given that SC Milds last 3 days, I don't think she would want to risk taking a Consequence right before a mission.
Hazou's Resolve is 29 and his current cap is 35, a difference of 6. Am I missing something here?
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We unlocked 30, and now we cannot unlock 35. We would need Resolve 30+ to unlock the 35 cap.
Sure, but that's not what Vel just said. He said that we are never unlocked by more than 5 over our current stat, when we're currently unlocked for 6. My reading of what Vel was saying was that we would need to level to 35 and then we could be unlocked to 40. Which is very different than what I thought the status quo was.
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Matching Sealing and Calligraphy Levels
This is a post about finding the value for Calligraphy that matches a certain level of Sealing (or vice versa). The procedure is simple, and depends on reasoning about a "Safe TN" for a hypothetical seal. I define the Safe TN as the TN such that with even -6 on the dice for both Sealing and Calligraphy, we still succeed the check (though with a minimum amount of success). This is because -9 and -12 are rare (~1/16), so we should in theory always have the Fate Points to reroll a small number of times to get a non -9/-12 result. If you want a different safe threshold, download the spreadsheet and change the formulas in it from -6 and +6 to (e.g.) -9 and +9.
To get from Hazou's Sealing level to the required Calligraphy level (using his 20 Sealing as an example):
- Add the +22 SSA bonus to get his Effective Sealing Level.
- Effective Sealing: 42
- This defines his AB. He can prepare for one day per AB, with each day of preparation giving a +2 bonus. We assume he takes full preparation to work on hard seals where the TN is at his limits. We get his Rolled Sealing Level.
- 42 = AB 5.
- 5 * (+2) = +10
- Rolled Sealing: 52
- We subtract 6, assuming he rolls -6 on the dice. This is the Safe Sealing TN, where if we match the value with out roll, we barely succeed with one shift of success.
- Safe Sealing TN: 46
- We multiply by 2/3 and round up, since Calligraphy TNs are generally 2/3 of the Sealing TN. This is the Safe Calligraphy TN.
- Safe Calligraphy TN: 31
- We add 6. This Rolled Calligraphy is the Calligraphy score we need to roll at to hit the Safe Calligraphy TN on -6 dice.
- Rolled Calligraphy: 37
- We subtract 2*(Sealing AB), since the prep day bonus applies to the Calligraphy roll as well. This is the Effective Calligraphy Level he needs to be at in order to hit the Rolled Caligraphy after prep.
- Effective Calligraphy: 27
- We subtract his +3 IN bonus to get his true Calligraphy level.
- Calligraphy: 24.
This is too much trouble to do every time. As with all other things Marked for Death, this is best communicated through a spreadsheet: Sealing+Calligraphy Numbers
If you don't want to open a spreadsheet, here are summary tables by Sealing pyramid AB, effective Sealing AB, and steps of 10 in Safe Sealing TN.
| Sealing | Safe Sealing TN | Calligraphy |
| 20 | 46 | 24 |
| 30 | 58 | 30 |
| 40 | 70 | 36 |
| 50 | 82 | 42 |
| 60 | 94 | 48 |
| 70 | 106 | 54 |
| 80 | 118 | 60 |
| 90 | 130 | 66 |
| 100 | 142 | 72 |
| Sealing | Safe Sealing TN | Calligraphy |
| 20 | 46 | 24 |
| 28 | 56 | 29 |
| 38 | 68 | 35 |
| 48 | 80 | 41 |
| 58 | 92 | 47 |
| 68 | 104 | 53 |
| 78 | 116 | 59 |
| 88 | 128 | 65 |
| 98 | 140 | 71 |
| 108 | 152 | 77 |
| Sealing | Safe Sealing TN | Calligraphy |
| 20 | 46 | 24 |
| 24 | 50 | 27 |
| 32 | 60 | 31 |
| 40 | 70 | 36 |
| 48 | 80 | 41 |
| 58 | 92* | 47 |
| 66 | 100 | 52 |
| 74 | 110 | 57 |
| 82 | 120 | 61 |
| 90 | 130 | 66 |
Immediately, this suggests that to get the bang-for-our-buck with regards to SSA, we should shoot for 24 Calligraphy. In the long term, it's a matter of how much we want to invest.
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You cannot unlock 35 unless you are within 5 of it, hence 30. At resolve 29 you cannot buy resolve 35, you need to be within 5 to uncap it