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Marked for Death: A Rational Naruto Quest

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It's probably a good opportunity to schedule a playdate between the little hedgehogs and the doglings Hazou has to periodically check in with anyway. We know she's a sucker for cute.
 
Oneiros said:
This is the wrong tack to take with Kadokura. We don't need to play it as a supplicant begging for forgiveness.

We have an established rapport. She's a KEI ninja. She knows that we are legit. Def don't meet her at the estate. We don't want to highlight being a clan head.

Will have specific edits up in the morning
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I may not have time to do many edits tomorrow (EJ closed voting while I was at work last saturday) so you might want to post it as your own plan
 
I swear to Zeus and Hades, Akane will take it in stride, because Akane, but running anything about cozying up to Hinata through Ino is going to invite backlash the likes of which you cannot possibly imagine.
 
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Sir Stompy said:
@eaglejarl @Velorien @OliWhail I wanted to ask you guys if Hazou has ever heard of anyone wrapping an explosive tag around a hunk of metal to increase the lethal radius of the tag? Assuming explosive tags work like high explosives IRL we could vastly increase the effective killing range by adding a bit of fragmentation to the tags.
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Isn't this kind of what Keiko does by default? I was under the impression that she wrapped explosive tags around kunai and threw them, in which case I think the kunai would act as the hunk of metal?

I assume other ranged weapons experts who have access to enough explosive tags would do the same.
 
faflec said:
I am confused. How is an inverted frag grenade more dangerous than a normal frag grenade?
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The point is that right now we have no frag grenades, explosive tags injure through the force of the explosion alone. That's not very efficient. It's much more efficient to use the explosion to propel lots of little metal bits that do the injuring.

There's probably no difference between wrapping the tag on the outside or the inside, ofc we can do it the other way around if it works better in testing. I was thinking exterior b/c that way would be easier to trigger the seal.

We're not limited to spheres either, we can do any metal shape. I was thinking hollow metal spheres b/c that's easy for the explosion to shred and for the user to throw as one solid piece. But really any amount of metal stuck to a tag will fragment.

OliWhail said:
Did you mean this the other way round? I feel like you'd rather push the metal outward, not inward, unless you're setting off a nuke
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There's no practical difference IMO, metal bits should go flying in all directions either way. There's nothing on the other side stopping the fragments from leaving, since the whole thing goes to bits. Nukes have special explosive lenses that set up a spherical implosion for a few milliseconds. They do just go flying to pieces shortly afterwards.
 
Sentient Tree said:
Isn't this kind of what Keiko does by default? I was under the impression that she wrapped explosive tags around kunai and threw them, in which case I think the kunai would act as the hunk of metal?

I assume other ranged weapons experts who have access to enough explosive tags would do the same.
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So this came up in the original discussion on Discord, and IIRC we thought that the tags were attached to the kunai via a small string like this, which wouldn't shred the kunai during the explosion, just throw it pretty far in a random direction.

EDIT: That depiction does seem to be the standard one online, rather than having the tag wrapped around the handle.
 
[X] Action Plan: Titles Are Hard, Sue Me

faflec said:
  • Kumokogo
    • Explain and give ETA on Harumitsu's Outstanding World-Saving Seal
    • Recruiting the other Summon Clans has hit a snag.
      • The Arachnids value honesty, be honest.
        • The Arachnids seem sufficiently isolated that they may not know Hazou's 7th Path history. Explain the Pangolin/Condor conflict and Hazou's role.
        • This caused clans to be suspicious of Hazou.
          • Is there ancient precedent for assembling the clans and trying a War Criminal? This conflict is too big not to have the trust of the others.
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War criminal? Excuse me? I did not remember breaking an ancient international treaty signed by the clans of the summon path.

Also, why do we not know info WRT stonecrafting and sealing requirement?
 
Sir Stompy said:
So this came up in the original discussion on Discord, and IIRC we thought that the tags were attached to the kunai via a small string like this, which wouldn't shred the kunai during the explosion, just throw it pretty far in a random direction.

EDIT: That depiction does seem to be the standard one online, rather than having the tag wrapped around the handle.
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It's important to note that MfD isn't canon, so there's no guarantee that they do things that way here. Either way, it should be simple enough to add a single line to some conversation with Keiko to ask whether she wraps her tags around the handle or not, and then suggest she do so if she doesn't already.

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I'm guessing the answer will be that everyone does this already because there's no reason to think someone wouldn't have at some point put their tag on the handle instead and seen how much better it worked.
 
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faflec said:
*looks at Akane's character sheet*

>200XP

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So what was the plan for her training, again?
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We need to level a 10's skill up to 20 in order to enable Resolve 30 (and both must happen at the same time because of column shenanigans)[1]​

The two main candidates to raise are Substitution and Pantokrator's Hammer, but we only need one. In total, the cost of this jump should be 242 XP including the Resolve costs and I only see 132 XP on Akane's sheet personally, so we're still a ways away yet from finishing this leg of the journey but we could get some partial gains right now if we choose Substitution.

If we debate it out now, we can commit to one of the two and fill out the rest of the jump when we have the rest of the XP.

[1] in my analysis there are two frontrunner plans, Plan 1 and Plan 2B. Plan 1 has the highest average XP rate, but Plan 2B finishes a little earlier. Both of them agree on the current leg of the journey and only diverge after we get Resolve 30. (Substitution is mentioned only as a placeholder, any level 10 skill would suffice)
 
Inferno Vulpix said:
The two main candidates to raise are Substitution and Pantokrator's Hammer, but we only need one. In total, the cost of this jump should be 242 XP including the Resolve costs and I only see 132 XP on Akane's sheet personally, so we're still a ways away yet from finishing this leg of the journey but we could get some partial gains right now if we choose Substitution.
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I know I think I am hallucinating character sheets echoing in scream
 
Thanks Loremaster, although the question of whether the tags shred the kunai into fragments is still open. I think it's likely, but kunai are hardened steel, so they should be pretty tough. I don't think we have rough numbers on the power of the explosive tags, otherwise I'd model it.

If kunai don't typically shred, I think it's worth inventing some pseudo frag grenades. Otherwise we obviously don't bother.
 
Sir Stompy said:
Thanks Loremaster, although the question of whether the tags shred the kunai into fragments is still open. I think it's likely, but kunai are hardened steel, so they should be pretty tough. I don't think we have rough numbers on the power of the explosive tags, otherwise I'd model it.

If kunai don't typically shred, I think it's worth inventing some pseudo frag grenades. Otherwise we obviously don't bother.
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Again, we can literally wrap 100kg of boiling lead around an explosive tag with trivial effort.
 
Shrooms said:
Is there ancient precedent for assembling the clans and trying a War Criminal? This conflict is too big not to have the trust of the others.
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Velorien said:
It is worth bearing in mind that there is no central religious authority that all clans submit to (as far as Hazō knows) and that could thus provide an authoritative statement on what does and does not break a taboo.
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I seriously doubt that there is a precedent. I also really really don't want to admit fault for this. The Pangolins are the ones who understood what they were doing when they broke that taboo, we did not. How were we supposed to know they were lying their scaly asses off to gain a military advantage? We even ended the sales when the extant of the Pangolin's ambitions became clear.

Shrooms said:
The present crisis is much bigger than Hazou, the Dogs, and the Arachnids. He would like to know what he needs to do to gain the Condors' trust that the Dragon crisis is real. He understands there's probably nothing he can do for forgiveness, but he can at least try his hardest to prevent further catastrophe from befalling the 7th Path.
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This is a nice sentiment and worth absolutely nothing to the Condors. Ofc they're not going to trust him, they might try to kill his crippled ass on sight. I highly doubt there is anything Hazou can do to earn their trust short of overthrowing the Pangolins and reestablishing a Condor state. Which would be very hard and would put us in exactly the same boat via the Dragons.

I think the best way to convince the Clans is to send more Arachnid emissaries and invite observers from the other Clans into Arachnid territory to see the Dragons. All of which takes time, unfortunately.

Edit: This is of course ignoring that the Clans might be aware the threat is real and pretending that their dislike of Hazou is what's keeping them from sending anyone, when in reality they're hoping the other Clan Heads deal with the threat. Classic coordination problem. Everybody dies if no one goes, but if the threat is fended off, anyone who went is worse off than their neighbor who didn't.
 
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An idle thought. How redeemed, must Hazou feel, to love and be loved by Akane and Ino? Hazou is the mind behind the Sunset Racer, the creator of the Skywalkers and all the death that it will bring, the unwitting sealmaster behind the Draconic Rampage, the Dreamer of an Impossible Dream, and the person whose actions helped cripple Leaf's economy. Hazou's hands are bloodsoaked, and his soul stained.

So the fact that Akane (who, according to Mari's model of Hazou "alternates between human and divine") and Ino, heiress to the Clan of Mindwalkers, love him still? That Akane looks into Hazou's heart and sees the good within, that Ino looks at Hazou ("Rogue or Village Darling," if my model of Ino has any accuracy) and sees someone worth falling in love with, worth being vulnerable for?

The fact that they can look into Hazou's heart and mind, and not be reviled by what they see must be a balm upon Hazou's soul.

And that's not getting into how Kei (the one who sees everyone so clearly, save herself), Noburi (the "Trustgiver" who has faith in Hazou), Kagome (Kagome), and all of Hazou's other social bonds understand him, and yet do not turn away.
 
RandomOTP said:
Hazou is the mind behind the Sunset Racer, the creator of the Skywalkers and all the death that it will bring, the unwitting sealmaster behind the Draconic Rampage, the Dreamer of an Impossible Dream, and the person whose actions helped cripple Leaf's economy.
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Bear in mind that Ino either doesn't know about the things you list or probably doesn't consider them evil in and of themselves (notably, eliminating civilian witnesses is a morally neutral act for your typical ninja). Team Uplift, on the other hand, is in a position to know that most of the misdeeds listed are the result of outstanding well-intentioned incompetence rather than evil.

For that matter, the team is partially culpable for many of the things you list, and the Sunset Racer was Minami's idea which Hazō merely failed to persuade her out of.
 
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faflec said:
Is there ancient precedent for assembling the clans and trying a War Criminal? This conflict is too big not to have the trust of the others.
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The answer is gonna be no, the summons don't have a central authority to motivate something like this, the most I think would have ever happened is a clan offering the life of a member to apace another clan. I don't think even the elemental nations have done something like this given the international treaty on missing-nin.
 
I think we can convince the pangolins to have the condors fly some disposable members of Summon clans to the arachnid territory who had a contract whit their Summoner, that way they hear it directly from their very own agent and have no reason to doubt. Asuma can even offer temporary trade arrangements that benefit them for being willing to do it.
The downside is that leaf very much needs everything it get from the Seventh Path right now, so i rater he abuse his authority to order them around.
 
faflec said:
Titles Are Hard, Sue Me
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CC: @eaglejarl, @Velorien, @OliWhail

COMPLAINT FOR A CIVIL CASE ALLEGING NEGLIGENCE​
  1. The Parties to This Complaint
    • The Plaintiff
      • Name: Noumero.
      • Location: inapplicable; nth-layer metastructure.
      • Contact Information: @Noumero.
    • The Defendant
      • Name: The Faflec Collective.
      • Job or Title: The Loremaster of the Marked for Death thread.
      • Location: ∑(x), where x ∈ (STc∩MfDt).
      • Contact Information: @faflec.
  2. Statement of Claim
    • On the Fifth of June, 2021, within the Marked for Death discussion thread, the Defendant failed to perform acts that a person of ordinary prudence would have done under the same or similar circumstances, by refusing to bestow a fitting and memorable Title upon their chosen Plan of Actions.
    • The acts caused the Plaintiff injuries by compromising their ability to efficiently navigate the Plan Space of the current Voting Cycle and inflicting severe psychological trauma as the result of the aesthetic clash between the Content and the Title of the Defendant's Plan of Actions.
  3. Relief
    • The Plaintiff asks the court to compel the Defendant to:
      • in order to halt the ongoing damage, modify the Content of their chosen Plan of Actions to be in line with its Title, by including a section aimed towards learning the Arachnid Clan's system of Titles and Legal Practices;
      • in order to compensate for the moral damages caused to the Plaintiff, modify the Content of their current Plan of Actions to include a section aimed towards questioning the Arachnid Empress about the ancient history of the world and the Sage's role in it.
  4. Certification and Closing
    • By signing below, the Plaintiff certifies to the best of their knowledge, information, and belief that this complaint: (1) is not being presented for an improper purpose, (2) is supported by a nonfrivolous argument for extending, modifying, or reversing existing law; (3) the factual contentions have no evidentiary support.
    • Date of Signing: 05.06.2021.
    • Signature of Plaintiff: N̸̶͘͘͜o̡ù̷͡m̨̢̕͟e̴̸̴͝͞ŕ̴̵ơ̶̕͜͏.
    • Printed Name of Plaintiff: Noumero.
 
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