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I have changed it so this plan is only about research and giving them an out
Marked for Death: A Rational Naruto Quest
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- naruto rationalist romance armageddon is looking better and better damn you kishimoto explosions everywhere explosives solve everyone if in doubt surrender to the mercy of zabuza it seemed like a good idea at the time looks like a really bad case of being a jōnin my god. where does the lore end? precommitting is the winning plan screaming in kagome screw the rules i have explosives something bad might still happen sometimes you gotta sociopath stabby zabby subsection c of paragraph 9 should include we can weaponize this so hard
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Cool, thank you. I offer up +1 XP in gratitude to the god of memory and knowledge, long may he reign.
I'm closing it at 1pm Eastern today (i.e., about an hour). I've been doing that for a few weeks and it seems to work well so I've decided to make it my standard time from now on. I forgot to announce it though.
As a more general rule, Saturday voting closes no earlier than 1pm (used to be 9am) but not actually until I close it.
Bad idea that Mari will immediately shoot down. Save the wordcount.
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*shrug*
While I'm hesitant to base story conjecture on reactions to posts, I wouldn't be surprised if Hazou was slighted by it (edit: something something, death world, something something social constructs and glue) my point was that he might be or might not be, but Keiko was the primary target, and that Hazou and the rest of the Goketsu are hurt only by splash damage. The Clan Head is offended that his clan officiated an "untrue" marriage, and decided to write of the Goketsu clan as a whole, citing Keiko as the reason why, using her as a scapegoat reason. He held her up to all of Leaf and said "I cannot officiate any of the Goketsu, just in case they might be like her."
Honestly, though, if the Hagoromo do have such a monopoly on religious ceremonies, their clan head just made a stupid move. He called attention to it, and let everyone know that he's willing to cut entire clans out of a cornerstone religious/social/cultural ceremony. It won't be long before other clans wonder "am I next? Am I not strict enough for them?" Especially if Mari begins a whisper campaign along those lines. So then the other clans will worry and fret, and if Asuma doesn't act quickly, then discord will spread in Leaf. Honestly, the Hagoromo would've been better served to hint at the possibility, and then demand appeasement in a private meeting with Hazou.
Edit: thanks for the clarification, EJ! Sorry if I came across as pedantic, petulant, or just puerile in general, I was just confused about how voting works in these situations!
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Moving on, the Hagoromo have lauched a political attack against the Gouketsu clan by excommunicating us from Leaf's primary religion. Quite aside from the homophobia, they're trying to make an example of us.
This is a deeply... CKII move on their part.
This is a deeply... CKII move on their part.
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Updated plan, only made minor grammar edits and updated the word count.
Oh, I actually think that the Hagoromo have overstepped their bounds. I doubt that the Hagoromo have such a powerful monopoly on Leaf's religion that they can do/enforce this --and if they do, then they're still beholden to the seat of the Hokage, and Asuma wouldn't want the Leaf to be divided in such a drastic way, or to suffer a political rival who works against Leaf's unity.
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Clarification: Keiko asked you to get others to buy from the Hagoromo, preferably persons of influence.
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Shit... going to make quick edits to the plan
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Updated! We... actually don't have very many famous allies right now. Ino would probably help, as would KEI due to their connection to Ami and Ami's connection to Keiko. Threw in the summoning clans because they might want something (the toads, I know, wear vests).
Any suggestions?
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A few pieces of information that Hazō is well aware of:
The following arrived today:
Honoured Gōketsu Hazō,
The Shikiri Museum humbly invites you to join us at the special opening of our latest exhibition, "Revisionist History: Reimagining the Past of the Fire Country", featuring the works of such masters of creativity as Heta Ahō, Sōzō Kajō, and Hagoromo Daigorō. Every piece will be accompanied by detailed factual annotations by scholars of the Nara Clan.
With the greatest respect,
Murakumo Isshiki, Museum Director
There is an additional note from Keiko.
"As you may or may not be aware, after the printing press eviscerated the Hagoromo's income base in the scribing industry, they adapted by expanding into textiles. Courtesy of the clan's reputation as faithful preservers of tradition, Hagoromo 'authentic' historical tapestries are a popular status symbol among the wealthy and powerful--all of whom have received the same invitation as yourself. I know that, as per my request, you have been recommending their products to other clans and high-status individuals. Please continue to do so. Ideally, step up your efforts for this next week."
QM Note: Hazō has in fact been making these recommendations offscreen.
- Jiraiya informed the Clan Council, which includes the Hagoromo, about the existence of Isan. This was part of the strategic planning process on how to manage Isan's entry into the wider world.
- Ninja duels are expressly forbidden in Leaf. (Sparring is distinct from duels.)
The following arrived today:
Honoured Gōketsu Hazō,
The Shikiri Museum humbly invites you to join us at the special opening of our latest exhibition, "Revisionist History: Reimagining the Past of the Fire Country", featuring the works of such masters of creativity as Heta Ahō, Sōzō Kajō, and Hagoromo Daigorō. Every piece will be accompanied by detailed factual annotations by scholars of the Nara Clan.
With the greatest respect,
Murakumo Isshiki, Museum Director
There is an additional note from Keiko.
"As you may or may not be aware, after the printing press eviscerated the Hagoromo's income base in the scribing industry, they adapted by expanding into textiles. Courtesy of the clan's reputation as faithful preservers of tradition, Hagoromo 'authentic' historical tapestries are a popular status symbol among the wealthy and powerful--all of whom have received the same invitation as yourself. I know that, as per my request, you have been recommending their products to other clans and high-status individuals. Please continue to do so. Ideally, step up your efforts for this next week."
QM Note: Hazō has in fact been making these recommendations offscreen.
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Okay, so the Hagoromo are committing Treason, since Yuno chose Noburi and the Hagoromo are refusing to do the ceremony. We should see if they maintain that declaration after we announce Yuno and Noburi's engagement. Is there any other way to incorporate this updated info into the action plan?
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Wow it's almost as if I said this from the beginning
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@Oneiros
Some edits for grammar (their/there mostly, some commas and capitals) and a quick clarification of what the legal precedent was.
Some edits for grammar (their/there mostly, some commas and capitals) and a quick clarification of what the legal precedent was.
- Meet with Cannai's recommended summoners
- This is a meeting between equals.
- Be respectful but do not be submissive
- Find out what would be required to make a contract with them
- Celebrate Noburi's and Yuno's relationship upgrade!
- Unfortunately the Hagoromo have decided to stand in our way
- (optimize everything with Mari in advance)
- Explain to Yuno the details of the feud and that they hate us over Keiko's relationship
- They have decided to put their petty vendetta over the good of Leaf. For that they must be stopped
- But if they change their ways, they can be spared
- Keiko and Gaku start looking into their financials. Hazou wants the power to destroy every stream of revenue they have. If necessary we should be able to leave them destitute
- If they have any debt we want to own it
- Also, prepare to stop paying on the deal we made at the election
- Mari should begin to look for any blackmail material
- Review Jiriaya's notes for anything relevant
- Haru, it's time for you to go to work
- Start investigating the Yakuza. Find any people there who might be friendly to our cause.
- Noburi, Akane and Yuno work on building up the Church of Youth and Toadism
- We want to make alternative religions more powerful to decrease the power of the Hagoromo's priests
- Start looking up the rules of official dueling
- We can always solve this with righteous face punching
- Discuss ways to get the marriage recognized
- Find a priest who can be bribed or blackmailed into performing it
- Do it under Toadism, The Church of Youth, Isan culture, or Mist culture.
- Bring up the precedent set by Mari and Jiraiya - legal marriage when necessary for Leaf
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Implemented @Paperclipped edit. Removed Haru investigating the Yakuza. Removed righteous face punching
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[X] Action plan: The march of progress will crush all opposition
Didn't realize it was a public proclamation. In that case I do think it's less something we can afford to ignore. I think the rub here is we're going to have to decide if we want to make it easy for them to back down (hurting their pride less, mentioning national security and setting bar precedence), or making it hurt for them to back down (more of the financial destruction, making them directly confront their beliefs, but also a lower chance of success).
I agree with this in principle, but there's a balance between how much we're giving up to make the Hagoromo change their mind and how important perfectly following tradition here is. I'd be open to hearing more of a priority list on what you consider most important if our workarounds start to fail.
I actually think you don't need to. As eaglejarl pointed out, we've been recommending people. I don't see what kind of plan Keiko would have that would hurt everyone who ordered clothes from them, especially since we'd be hit by backlash too for recommending them. Also, if we order a large amount of clothes we can use that as a political piece later, showing "no hard feelings" and "peace offering" and "apologies for going around you on the wedding stuff" as a good excuse.
Also maybe remove Mari from the wedding plans - just mention them offhandedly in case she wants to help, but don't necessarily dump administrative work on her.
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Good points, edited accordingly. Did make the "huge bulk order" simply "wedding attire," just to be safe. Our coffers aren't exactly flowing at the moment, and we shouldn't do anything too big until the money from the network comes in. And Mari has enough on her plate, juggling her duties as PR Rep and Corporate Spy, so I changed it to "mention [that Gaku is beginning to plan the wedding] to Mari" so that she doesn't have to do administrative stuff unless she wants to.
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@eaglejarl So the Hagoromo presumably are supposed to arrange weddings all Leaf weddings (which includes between not-Hagoromo clans). So I just wanted to check whether I'm misunderstanding what you said cause it sounds like the Hagoromo are blatantly lying (while I expected them to use a less blatant lie). My understandins is that the hagoromo claim
That marrying two-not Hagoromo clans that are on the clan council is a violation of their faith. And that the hagoromo do this all the time.
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The violation of there faith is that Keiko is queer. It's not about them marrying two clans except that's how far they are willing to take their vendetta
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Yes I suspect that's their true reason. I'm asking about their public reason cause it just sounds nonsensical, like more nonsensical than obviously fake public reasons usually are.
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The "violation" is that they conducted a marriage between Keiko (a girl who loves another girl) and Shikamaru (an apparent aromantic, though has expressed a willingness to allow his secretary to pursue him. So perhaps less "possibly aromantic" and more "asexual?). The Hagoromo believed they were doing a traditional wedding (man and woman in love), and are upset that they were not.
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No they are explicitly making Keiko being a queer person the reason they are objecting to it.
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I think the confusion is due to two different statements regarding the reasoning for the Hagoromo's actions.
Edit: And yes, I'm confused about the latter quote, as I don't think Hazou's ever arranged a wedding as described.
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