I think the confusion is due to two different statements regarding the reasoning for the Hagoromo's actions.
To clarify, the Hagoromo did not say something mean about Keiko in their latest statement. They said that the Gōketsu having a Hagoromo marry her was a violation of their faith. Of course, since that faith is the official religion of Leaf, saying that is equivalent to an accusation of heresy.
 
I find it interesting that their objection is falling on Hazou when it was Jiraiya (you know, Lord Fifth, embodiment of the Will of Fire, that guy) who actually did the thing they're upset about.

There's probably a solid case here that because it was Jiraiya who set it up, it's automatically in accordance with the Will of Fire, and it's the Hagoromo who are in violation of it if they don't agree.
 
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I'm voting specifically to tie things up and make QM life harder mwahaha
 
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They are offering the best possible rumor on a silver plate: seriously, between Ami, Mari and the ammunition they are giving us, the social battlefield is pretty much in our favor. A reminder that Shikamaru ask Keiko to marry him in the chunin tournament, in front of the entirety of the EN. The Hagoromo are practically saying that the Hokage was forced them to violate their faith and was, therefore, an heretic.
It's just hilarious
 
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I prefer backing up whatever Keiko's doing rather than starting our own plan that may interfere with hers. I trust Keiko to be proportionate in her response, and if that means the Hagoromo go bankrupt or something then backing her plan is even better since it means the Nara take the blame instead of us.
 
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I'm closing it at 1pm Eastern today (i.e., about an hour). I've been doing that for a few weeks and it seems to work well so I've decided to make it my standard time from now on. I forgot to announce it though.

As a more general rule, Saturday voting closes no earlier than 1pm (used to be 9am) but not actually until I close it.
Eaglejarl tends to close voting when he gets around to it as opposed to a set time.
Voting doesn't close on an EJ cycle until EJ shows up and posts the tally.

And we've had a fair few ties over the years: in such an event, the QM just picks which of the winning plans to go with.

I...think it's been closed? Maybe I'm misinterpreting and EJ needs to actually make a post, but on the other hand "I'm closing it at 1pm Eastern today" is fairly unambiguous. Not sure.
 
Adhoc vote count started by eaglejarl on Sep 19, 2020 at 2:25 PM, finished with 221 posts and 24 votes.

Voting is closed.
 
Yeah, voting is always closed when and only when I make the post. I had intended to do it at 1 but I was writing a scene that I hope I get to use in the future and I lost track of time.
 
To clarify, the Hagoromo did not say something mean about Keiko in their latest statement. They said that the Gōketsu having a Hagoromo marry her was a violation of their faith. Of course, since that faith is the official religion of Leaf, saying that is equivalent to an accusation of heresy.
Uhhhhh, exactly how bad is heresy in Leaf? Are we talking a Warhammer 40k/Spanish Inquisition type response, or more like modern America?
 
Uhhhhh, exactly how bad is heresy in Leaf? Are we talking a Warhammer 40k/Spanish Inquisition type response, or more like modern America?
On reflection, heresy is a strong word. An act of sacrilege, maybe? If there was going to be a witch hunt over the Nara wedding, it would have happened already. The point is more that the Hagoromo are establishing that the wedding was not merely immoral but actively went against the Will of Fire.
 
On reflection, heresy is a strong word. An act of sacrilege, maybe? If there was going to be a witch hunt over the Nara wedding, it would have happened already. The point is more that the Hagoromo are establishing that the wedding was not merely immoral but actively went against the Will of Fire.
That sounds like a problem. Worse, by using a non-Leaf wedding style we would be confirming that we are acting outside of the Will of Fire.

We should do everything we can to find a civilian priest or disillusioned Hagoromo to officiate the wedding before we try an Isan style wedding or anything.
 
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Incidentally, I don't think we ever got a proper tally for the Doggo/Training/SOP vote cycle. I'll go make a tally from Ch. 372 to Ch. 373 (which IIRC is the correct interval).
 
Oh so I could've put that first post here. My bad.
Adhoc vote count started by Inferno Vulpix on Sep 19, 2020 at 3:42 PM, finished with 153 posts and 21 votes.
 
Purely hypothetically, how much XP or other favours would this be worth to you? Does it need to be all three, or is either of Kagome/Ren or Kagome/Deidara sufficient?
By the very nature of the situation, you would have access to one or two of the most powerful people in the world via Kagome, and they would have nowhere to run while you preached Uplift at them. In fact, love can work great changes on the human heart.
 
So the Hagoromo's public reason is that intermarriage between two clans that both have seats on the Clan Council is a violation of their faith?
I am not weighing in at this point, merely correcting a question of fact: The Hagoromo did not say something mean about Keiko, they publicly stated that no Gōketsu will be allowed to marry until Hazō makes a public apology for arranging a wedding between two not-Hagoromo clans, both of whom sit on the Clan Council. (i.e., not minor clans)
That makes no sense. Clearly, we know that they are against Keiko and Shikamaru's polygonic relationship, but their public reason a) blames Hazo for arranging it when Jiraiya and Shikaku did? and b) the issue isn't about Keiko but, again, due to intermarriage between two Clan Council clans? Why didn't this come up during the wedding?

This whole public reason for disliking the Goketsu is very confusing to me.
 
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