@eaglejarl @Velorien @OliWhail Would it be possible for us to have a mini-update regarding the questions we ask Mari in the immediate sense about how firm the contract is? It doesn't quite seem worth a scene or putting off signing it over if we can get information now...
Are you asking for Thursday to be a short update dealing with this one thing, or to have a short update tomorrow/Wednesday and then also have one on Thursday, or...?

Really? Ok, I stand corrected about California building codes. Thanks.
I think it was probably an old building that was grandfathered. The place had single-pane casement windows, which is idiotic.
 
Are you asking for Thursday to be a short update dealing with this one thing, or to have a short update tomorrow/Wednesday and then also have one on Thursday, or...?

I think he's asking "Are any of the things we are trying to renegotiate already included in the contract, but not in Mari's summary?" And "Will the Uchiha budge at all?"
 
No, but every so often if I see a post with a bunch of different ratings I'll feel inclined to give it a yet different rating just for fun. It's probably more 'general human humourous behaviour' than anything, really.
Close enough - it's not just coincidence that a post sometimes gets every possible rating.
 
Are you asking for Thursday to be a short update dealing with this one thing, or to have a short update tomorrow/Wednesday and then also have one on Thursday, or...?


I think it was probably an old building that was grandfathered. The place had single-pane casement windows, which is idiotic.
The latter, basically.
I think he's asking "Are any of the things we are trying to renegotiate already included in the contract, but not in Mari's summary?" And "Will the Uchiha budge at all?"
Also this.
 
Close enough - it's not just coincidence that a post sometimes gets every possible rating.
Weelll...

To be pedantic...

there are three ratings no one in this thread is going to get outside of direct Squishy intervention, and one that I'm fairly sure no longer exists on this website but did briefly so that foamy could make a point.

First, Chapter 180 seems to be missing.





"Chapter 179" per threadmarks is just Chapter 181.
So you see 181 twice over when reading.
...

have we considered the possibility that this is what an antimemetic effect looks like

oh shit
 
  • I identify as Agnostic
  • I don't identify with any particular political party / ideology
  • I have mixed feelings about the adoption deal
  • Indian background with all the cultural influence and biases that comes with it. I'm not convinced by Mari's visualization of the Uchiha women. It's like an arranged marriage for those women, except they won't have a husband in Goketsu. Just someone to impregnate them. I'm reminded of one of my aunts. She didn't know who her husband was until the night before the wedding. I'm imagining her as one of the Uchiha women and it doesn't jive right. That's my warning flag that everything isn't OK with the deal.

    Whether I'd consider it moral or immoral depends on details that have to be verified. The most important thing would be to talk to the women themselves, and get a feel for their emotions. Fear --> no deal. As genuinely excited as Mari implied across every single woman --> probable deal. I can see why both cases would exist, depending on how they've been living. That said, I would guess that what each woman is actually feeling is in-between (cultural bias ahead): it's a necessary evil that they're being socially pressured into. Relevant emotions are reluctance, self-sacrifice, a touch of pride, an iota of excitement, and fear of the unknown.

    I believe the only way to know for sure is to speak to them, though.
 
@eaglejarl
I... know I shouldn't ask this, but...
What would have happened if the spiky grows when it touches something sealing failure...
Had touched an active five-barrier?
 
Also, you guys know that impregnating these women doesn't mean we have to have questionably consenting sex with them. We have storage seals and turkey basters. They can do it themselves if willing.
 
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Also, you guys know that impregnating these women doesn't mean we have to have questionably consenting sex with them. We have storage seals and turkey basters. They can do it themselves if willing.
To me, that's not particularly relevant. That's just Hazo being a nice master. They're still unable to say no should he choose to use his authority; they're still sex slaves.
 
The more I think about it, the worse the deal looks to me from the perspective of the 11 young women.

They get sent to live with a different clan.
They're at the age where they will want to get married soon- but it will be hard to find a husband who would agree that any babies born in the first five years will be taken away.
They go through pregnancy and childbirth, and immediately the baby is taken away. Even if they agreed to this arrangement in theory, they might feel very different about it when it really happens.
Finally, at the end of the five years, they are free to have a normal family experience, but by that point their society will regard them as "over the hill."

If main thing the Uchiha get out of this is the Kurosawa bloodline, why adopt the girls into Gouketsu and adopt the babies back to Uchiha? Why not let them stay home and have a more normal life, and offer the Uchiha the means to do artificial insemination? (It would make sense that this didn't occur to anyone until now, but we can suggest it.)
 
there are three ratings no one in this thread is going to get outside of direct Squishy intervention, and one that I'm fairly sure no longer exists on this website but did briefly so that foamy could make a point.
What are they?

@eaglejarl
I... know I shouldn't ask this, but...
What would have happened if the spiky grows when it touches something sealing failure...
Had touched an active five-barrier?
HDK

If main thing the Uchiha get out of this is the Kurosawa bloodline, why adopt the girls into Gouketsu and adopt the babies back to Uchiha? Why not let them stay home and have a more normal life, and offer the Uchiha the means to do artificial insemination? (It would make sense that this didn't occur to anyone until now, but we can suggest it.)
This way the Uchiha are not paying to support them.
 
This way the Uchiha are not paying to support them.
That reminds me, I thought it was odd that on the one hand we are helping the Uchiha by adopting toddlers who are considered "useless drains on the family economy," and then on the other hand they want to adopt the future children at birth, rather than waiting a few years to see if they manifest ninja potential or something.
 
That reminds me, I thought it was odd that on the one hand we are helping the Uchiha by adopting toddlers who are considered "useless drains on the family economy," and then on the other hand they want to adopt the future children at birth, rather than waiting a few years to see if they manifest ninja potential or something.
You're not wrong, but there is at least some difference. Perhaps the toddlers are already known to not have ninja-adequate chakra reserves, whereas a newborn, born to a ninja and a civilian, has a decent probability of having adequate chakra reserves.
 
You're not wrong, but there is at least some difference. Perhaps the toddlers are already known to not have ninja-adequate chakra reserves, whereas a newborn, born to a ninja and a civilian, has a decent probability of having adequate chakra reserves.

We are supposed to raise them, if they become ninja and have a Sharingan then they are adopted back into the Uchiha, if not they just stick around with us. Not the worst loss for the Uchiha if they gain the IN and Sharingans.
 
We are supposed to raise them, if they become ninja and have a Sharingan then they are adopted back into the Uchiha, if not they just stick around with us. Not the worst loss for the Uchiha if they gain the IN and Sharingans.
That doesn't seem like it fits with Mari's info-dump.
Plus, the kids are immediately adopted into one of Leaf's founding ninja clans, there to be treated like the precious little things they are in hopes that they will be the next generation of Uchiha ninja.

All of the kids they have during that period are automatically adopted into the Uchiha.

In addition, any Gōketsu who develops the Sharingan is immediately and unconditionally adopted or married into the Uchiha
 
That doesn't seem like it fits with Mari's info-dump.

"Any Goketsu who develops the Sharingan" probably includes those toddlers and if they manage to develope a Sharingan they go back into the Clan.

Maybe the Sharingan can 100% tell if someone can become a ninja or if they can develope a Sharingan or maybe the toddlers are from adopted families and have zero Uchiha blood, then yeah, they don't care about them.
 
As far as I can tell, the consensus is that it's a good deal and that there are currently no plan people voting for calling for outright rejection of the deal.

We're reading different threads XOR have different understanding of word's "consensus" meaning

I'd specify very clearly the agreement is tentative but not final. Do not sign a thing just yet.

Yes please, by which I mean

[X] Action Plan: Please No

I skipped a lot of pages after my last post and feel that I may have missed something important...

You've been promoted :whistle:
 
"Any Goketsu who develops the Sharingan" probably includes those toddlers and if they manage to develope a Sharingan they go back into the Clan.

Maybe the Sharingan can 100% tell if someone can become a ninja or if they can develop a Sharingan or maybe the toddlers are from adopted families and have zero Uchiha blood, then yeah, they don't care about them.
Sure, that seems reasonable.
 
[X] Action Plan: Please No


"Any Goketsu who develops the Sharingan" probably includes those toddlers and if they manage to develope a Sharingan they go back into the Clan.

Maybe the Sharingan can 100% tell if someone can become a ninja or if they can develope a Sharingan or maybe the toddlers are from adopted families and have zero Uchiha blood, then yeah, they don't care about them.

We should add a clause that any son of an marriage between Hazou and his future (Unknown) wife remains in Goketsu, full stop. Same thing valid for his descendants.
Seems something reasonable to add, unless they think they can steal a clan heir like nothing.
 
We should add a clause that any son of an marriage between Hazou and his future (Unknown) wife remains in Goketsu, full stop. Same thing valid for his descendants.
Seems something reasonable to add, unless they think they can steal a clan heir like nothing.
To say nothing of Hazo himself.
In addition, any Gōketsu who develops the Sharingan is immediately and unconditionally adopted or married into the Uchiha, even if that means being married to a civilian woman because there isn't a kunoichi available.
"Any" Goketsu includes Hazo, and he might develop Sharingan at some point.

What do you think, @eaglejarl? Would Sasuke contest this point, if Hazo developed the Spinny Eye?
 
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