[X] Action plan: who gets the hat
  • Run all this by the entire clan
    • Review Jiraiya's will together
      • Call Mari back for this
    • Mari was acting clan head any advice?
    • Make sure Kagome is ok with adoption
      • Let him know that we will need to teach our new clan members sealing so we can protect each other
    • Who are good adoption targets?
      • Ask about Kabuto
        • Offer 3 bloodlines to study
      • Lee
      • Kurenai
      • Anko
      • Chunnin exam participants
  • Schedule a meeting with Naruto and Tsunade
    • On behalf of the Gouketsu Clan, Gouketsu Hazou wishes to meet at your earliest convenience
    • Let her know that we have a message Jiraiya left for her
    • Have Noburi offer her chakra water so she can use more healing juts
    • Bring lunch in a storage scroll
  • Adoptees: Akane, Ten-Ten
    • Meet with their families, since this concerns them as well.
    • Offer to adopt them into the Gouketsu. Explain what that entails and all that.
  • Debrief with Naruto and Tsunade
    • Hazō, Noburi and kei should all be there
  • Take the time to talk to Naruto and get to know him
    • Introduce ourselves as Jiraiya's adopted son. A lot happened since you went on that mission.
    • express Jiraiya's wishes for Naruto to join the Goketsu.
    • He gave us a family when we thought we'd never have one again
    • Explain the quick story of our team, and tell him of our dream of Uplift.
  • Review Jiraya's will with Tsunade and Naruto
  • Have the toad contract signed ASAP if Naruto wants it it's his
    • Otherwise follow Jiraiya's will
  • Record all seals in Iron nerve
  • Decide if we want Tsunade or Naruto to make a play for the hat
    • Most important thing is keeping it out of Hiashi's hands
      • No matter what
    • Potential option have Tsunade act as temporary Hokage with plan to have Naruto take over at a later date
  • Discuss how Gōketsu can best utilize Jiraiya spy network
    • Find who in leaf is a member
  • See if Orochimaru left anything about his resources or his organizations
 
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Yes, but I did put in the plan to check with Tsunade and the rest of the clan before doing this to Mari, specifically to not act on it if we got "that's insane" or "I'll murder you if you do that" type reactions.
It's too late for that and it's definitely the wrong tack to take with Tsunade; Tsunade hates spineless people more than the people who oppose her out of principle.

We'll just tell her what we did, and say that we no longer had a choice.
 
So...part of me is asking "do we want to stop the next world war?". And...not gonna lie, I kinda want Leaf to go full Pangolin Empire on the Human Path.
 
[] Protoplan: New Allies
  • Read Jiraiya's will.
    • []
  • Meet with Tsunade
    • Give her Jiraiya's will.
    • Once she's read it, ask if she's willing to enter Leaf politics to stop Hiashi from becoming Hokage.
      • Is she willing to be Hokage?
      • Would she be willing to support Naruto for Hokage?
      • Is there anyone else she'd be willing to support?
    • Ask if Naruto is lucid, we'd like to talk with him if she'll allow it.
  • Meet with Naruto, Tsunade willing.
    • Introduce ourselves as Jiraiya's adopted son. A lot happened since you went on that mission.
    • Explain the quick story of our team, and tell him of our dream of Uplift.
    • Tell him what you found in Jiraiya's will, and also express Jiraiya's wishes for Naruto to join the Goketsu.
      • Don't pressure him on it. This is his choice to make and it's a big one.
    • Don't talk about Hiashi or the Hat or any of that.
 
EDIT EDIT: The 'impact your team has had' section of this post should be treated as my interpretations as opposed to Word of God. IT IS NOT APPROPRIATE FOR QUOTING in questions to the QMs if said questions would cause us difficulty or effort, nor in support of argumentation that might require us to think or to change any other ruling or statement. @faflec I am absolutely thinking of you here. :p


@eaglejarl @Velorien @OliWhail

I am concerned that the time taken to travel to and from the BotG may be wrong. Unless you guys changed the scaling on the map linked in the second post, it seems like folks could have gotten to Nagi Island a lot faster than they did. The EN is very small. Could I ask for the math behind that?
If you measure the distance from Mist to approximately the 'I' in 'Nagi Island', remembering that you need to islandhop instead of running in a straight line, you'll find that's it's approximately 200 miles, which is about 10 hours of ninja running time.

We actually did the math very carefully, several times. @OliWhail made a chart out of the map with the routes of everyone involved, marked out in standard-sized segments to make it easy to measure. The travel times are really not in dispute, the only things that were subjective was how much time people would need for organization and rest.

But how would this quest have remained intact if there was a *whoosh* and [solving disagreements with violence] had been shifted away like Henge, flying machines, and village names?
It might not have. If that had happened then we would have written the most epic wrapup we could and then decided on our next project.

I'll be sticking around. Unfamiliar with the voting/proposal system that actually runs this thing but I'll poke around the beginning again and I'm sure I'll figure it out.
Welcome! Nice to have you.

Voting is simple. People make plans and you vote for them like so:

[x] The Plan Name

You can vote for as many as you like and your vote is counted for each one.

After reading the update, i just think that the "rational" genre makes for a great story and a bad RPG. We realistically had fuckall with all the super important things that happened and I just feel that I'd rather play a game where GM's cheat to make the story more about us, or just read a story that's written to be a story, not a game. Just reading about dozens of cool characters dying before we interacted with them is realistic, but super disappointing. And now for 50 pages of playing careful politics.
I get why you're feeling that way, but let me try to change your mind.


Your team got into a fight in Hot Springs. As a result, Mist de facto took over the country, giving them a foothold on the western continent and a stranglehold on trade coming out of the Land of Lightning.

Hazō had the idea for skywalkers, Kagome created them.

You sold them to Leaf in exchange for being accepted into the city, not just as Leaf ninja, but as a brand new clan under the second most important ninja in the city. That is huge. I'd need to check the worldbuilding, but I'm pretty confident that no missing-nin has ever come in from the cold before, so you just set a precedent that:
  • Missing-nin can become citizens again
  • New clans can be formed by a collection of people who are not blood relatives
It cannot be overstated what a big deal these two things are.

1. Until now, a person was stuck in whatever Village they were born in, because no one else would take them. Now, if you're a skilled ninja and you don't like your village, you can leave. Someone else will accept you. Kage suddenly have an incentive to create a society that their ninja enjoy living in.

2. Until now, if you were clanless you were basically screwed. You were locked out of the advantages of the clan system (unless someone deigned to adopt you, but that was uncommon) and there was nothing you could do about it, because you almost certainly didn't have enough ninja in your family to be worthy of the name 'clan'. Now people know that it's possible to get together with unrelated friends and form a clan, and if you have something of enough value to offer you can actually get that clan recognized.

Moving on...

Because they bought skywalkers from you, Leaf felt confident enough in their combat superiority that they decided to bait a trap for Yagura (the head of Mist). Yagura took it, and all of Mist's best ninja got killed. This gave Akatsuki the chance to grab the 3-Tails, which had been one of the few jinchūriki they had no easy way to get hold of, since Yagura rarely left his city. They also got the 9-Tails as a bonus, which was nice.

The death of all their best ninja left Mist in a very precarious position on the international stage and with no clear successor for the Kage's hat. They almost had a civil war and ended up choosing Ren, a decidedly not S-rank ninja who was more of a diplomat than a fighter. They chose her because they thought they could control her. It turned out that her diplomacy skills ended up getting Mist some amazing trade deals that are likely to leave the city richer than before she took the hat.

Fast forward a bit. You captured Goda, the Yakuza banker. Leaf extracted some useful information from him that gave hints about where Akatsuki was and what they had been doing.

At the first part of the Chūnin Exams you pointed Team Bloodrage out to Jiraiya, who likely would not have had cause to interact with them otherwise. He captured them and extracted the location of their handler, who was higher up in Akatsuki's organization. Noburi and Kakashi captured the handler, who had information pointing towards Akatsuki's base. Jiraiya couldn't move on it because after Hiruzen's death and Naruto's capture he didn't have the firepower to take Akatsuki head-on.

At the Chūnin Exams tournament, Hazō stopped Zabuza from blowing the whistle on the Ultimate Showdown of Ultimate Destiny, the knowledge of which could easily have sparked a war.

Everyone then went off and fought the Battle of the Gods, in which a large plurality of the senior ninja in the Elemental Nations died. There are now only a handful of S-rank ninja alive, and most of them are Akatsuki. This reduction in combat power meant that Ami was able to bring forth the conspiracy she'd been working on for years: Uniting the young clanless ninja in the city into a force powerful enough to cause real change in the culture of Mist.


So, now where do things stand? In terms of real-world history, the MfD historical period is similar to that of feudalism. What killed feudalism? The Black Death. The Black Death wiped out something like 50% of the people in Europe. Suddenly there was a labor shortage and therefore serfs had both economic value and bargaining power. There was also a need for technology to help make up for the reduced number of people -- traditional inefficient methods of weaving, farming, etc weren't sustainable anymore, so you saw rapid improvement in looms, tooling, etc. You're seeing something very similar here. The large majority of the world's best ninja just got wiped out. Remember that precedent you set about how missing-nin can be repatriated? With so many ninja wiped out in the BotG, at least some Villages are going to be actively looking for missing-nin to recruit.


All of this because of you and Team Uplift. And that was when you were a random genin running around following orders. Now you're a Clan Head with no Kage to get in your way.

Let the world tremble.



EDIT: Our resident wet blanket One of my co-QMs has pointed out that there are definitely provisos on some of the above. For example, while adopting missing-nin is now thinkable, starting a war over bloodline theft is also still thinkable. Suffice to say that the world is never simple, and it is neither as rosy as I portray nor as gloomy as he someone else might portray.
 
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I feel like our plan this cycle should consist primarily of the meetings with Tsunade and Naruto, so that we can spare attention to fleshing those scenes out. We need to get this right.
I agree. Let's avoid trying to cram all the high priority must happen today important stuff into one plan consisting mostly of high level cliff notes. Especially right now a chapter should and will cover less than one day. I vote we stick to two scenes plus peripheral details and things that do not require scenes or carry major risk of not going our way. Stuff like sending letters, setting up meetings, giving things to people internally within our clan and so on.

As a proto-plan I recommend visiting any combination of Akane, Naruto and Tsunade.
Peripherally we should give Kagome all of Jiraiya's seal stuff if that hasn't already happened within the last plan.
 
So...part of me is asking "do we want to stop the next world war?". And...not gonna lie, I kinda want Leaf to go full Pangolin Empire on the Human Path.
I don't currently like the odds.
With so many ninja wiped out in the BotG, at least some Villages are going to be actively looking for missing-nin to recruit.

HEY GUYS WE SHOULD DO THAT!!!

Anyone in Jiraiya's old contacts worth our time?
 
You sold them to Leaf in exchange for being accepted into the city, not just as Leaf ninja, but as a brand new clan under the second most important ninja in the city. That is huge. I'd need to check the worldbuilding, but I'm pretty confident that no missing-nin has ever come in from the cold before, so you just set a precedent that:
  • Missing-nin can become citizens again
  • New clans can be formed by a collection of people who are not blood relatives
It cannot be overstated what a big deal these two things are.
Take a seat, gather round and let's talk geopolitics as it applies to you.

The bloodlines work both for and against you when it comes to joining Leaf. At the minute a lot of your relationship with Jiraiya is about proving trustworthiness, a matter which is complicated greatly by the fact that Mari obviously knows that, and knows that he knows that and he knows that she knows that he knows that, ect. The other aspect is that fully incorporating you into Leaf will cause the Wakahisa, Mori and Kurosawa clans to throw a massive shit fit once they find out. The Kurosawa clan less so since Leaf already has Uchiha.

You essentially need to be in a position where your addition seems likely to give greater benefits than the obvious negative consequences of having Mist erupt in frothing rage at Leaf (Yagura hates traitors). This means if Mist were to suffer some sort of massive setback then your chances would improve, much the same as if Leaf became much more powerful. It's the relative strength between the two countries that important, you see. Or if they erupted into open war with each other. Then it wouldn't matter how angry Mist was because they'd already be doing their worst. Plus Leaf would be wanting reinforcements.

As in almost all things in this world, being stronger makes your goal easier to achieve. As a group of chuunin or lower with one jounin the optimal strategy would be to sequester you bloodliners away from the world until your clans are good and started, and only then allow Mist to find out once it's too late to do anything about it. Probably not what you players want. As a group of four (five?) jounin you would represent a significant concentration of power. In fact you'd make up entire percentage points of Leaf's total strength. Also you would be far more likely to survive long enough to found proper clans from which your more long term worth stems. You'd also have much more freedom and be completing more missions because your direct application of power would have greater comparative utility when compared to your long term worth.

As a group of S-rank ninja, your might would be sufficient to reshape nations if applied properly. They'd have to be crazy to turn you down at that point, and at that level of strength a lot of a strictures that stop you people from doing whatever they want are more like polite agreements than actual enforceable contracts. As such you'd have a lot of freedom.
Was this retcon'd?
 
Yes, but I did put in the plan to check with Tsunade and the rest of the clan before doing this to Mari, specifically so Hazou wouldn't act on it if we got "that's insane" or "I'll murder you if you do that" type reactions.
There was no realistic way you were going to be allowed into Tsunade's hospital room. You did check with Noburi and Keiko beforehand, but I didn't feel it was worth showing.
 
Well, that was an excellent update. I think Mari is back up and running, if with a complete "just following orders" mindset currently. That's going to be a long term problem, but we unfortunately need her 100% to have a long term in Leaf. Our next step needs to be J-man's will, and then scheduling urgent meetings with Tsunade and Naruto. The unfortunate reality is that we're currently on the back foot, and our actions are going to have to be reactive to Hiashi's moves and completely oriented around getting someone mostly aligned with our interests wearing the Hat.

Jashin damn it, why did Jiraiya have to let Shikaku show up and get killed.

Also, this is a total quibble, but Tsunade should...probably know better than this.

Their coordination was terrible; they were coming from 11 and 1 instead of getting a proper 9-3 split the way they would have if they were competent warriors trained in working together

Flinging around any ranged attacks with your allies as the backdrop is terrible tactics, in any setting, with any ranged attacks. This and supporting fire down your axis of advance are the two easiest ways to find out that friendly fire is not friendly at all. Yes, Chakra Magic, but given that kunai, shuriken, and Madara's Minute Meteors have not shown any reliable IFF system in this story, I think my statement applies.
 
@eaglejarl

Do we know of any Leaf jōnin or clan heads that didn't die in the BotG because they didn't go in the first place? Only one I am currently sure about is Sasuke.
 
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