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Marked for Death: A Rational Naruto Quest

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MadScientist said:
I'd love to not rush Naruto but we seriously do not have time. Hiashi will call a vote on the next Hokage as soon as he can, and we need all our political ducks in a row before that happens. That's what this plan is about right now: the poltical setup so we're in a strong position to contend Hiashi, in the next few hours if need be.

If we take our time and don't rush Naruto then for all we know, we lose. We can't afford to take an hour or two to bond and grieve first.
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FWIW I don't think you can prevent Hiashi from becoming interim Hokage in any case, so taking an hour or two to bond with Naruto does not actually hurt us.
 
MadScientist said:
J told us to choose Naruto over Tsunade for hokage, and I trust his judgement on this. I also expect Naruto (who was being trained for the position) to understand the urgency of the matter and Complete The Mission rather than throwing a tantrum because we waited until after the crisis was over to do the emotional stuff.
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I think Jiraiya meant that we should do that eventually, not immediately after his death in the big fight. It's also not just up to us, and Tsunade seems like a much more electable candidate.

I don't necessarily expect Naruto to throw a tantrum, more him being traumatized and literally unfit for the position in the near future. We don't know, we don't know him, and he doesn't know us. It's a serious shot in the dark.
 
This is what J said with regards to Naruto
eaglejarl said:
If Naruto makes it back, adopt him into the clan. The two of you can sort out who is going to be Clan Head, but he's the one you should put forward for Hokage when the time comes. He's got the popularity and the power, and he'll listen to you."
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We should follow his advice if Naruto is functional
 
Velorien said:
Fun fact: if there is a WW4, from a certain point of view you will be responsible. You provided Leaf with skywalkers, which caused Leaf to overplay their hand and set up the ill-fated ambush, which delivered Naruto and Yagura to Akatsuki, which kick-started Akatsuki's plans, which led to the Battle of the Gods.
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Well, to be fair, it sounds like Akatsuki managed to get at all the other villages' Jinchuuriki just fine without someone like us intervening. I'm not going to ask how they caught Killer B, but I doubt Cloud was particularly reckless with him.

We're entangled with this mess all over the place, but I kind of figure if we didn't provoke the Ultimate Showdown of Ultimate Destiny we'd still probably have a kidnapped Naruto and the Battle of the Gods, except later.
 
Velorien said:
Fun fact: if there is a WW4, from a certain point of view you will be responsible. You provided Leaf with skywalkers, which caused Leaf to overplay their hand and set up the ill-fated ambush, which delivered Naruto and Yagura to Akatsuki, which kick-started Akatsuki's plans, which led to the Battle of the Gods.
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Oooh is that what Minori figured out?

I thought the Third was in on Akatsukis plan and thats how Naruto was captured :p
 
Anderkent said:
Oooh is that what Minori figured out?

I thought the Third was in on Akatsukis plan and thats how Naruto was captured :p
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Velorien said:
"For what it's worth," Pain said softly, "we really did try to take the path of least suffering. We had the firepower to level villages. We had the knowledge to trigger a new world war." He looked pointedly between the clan heads and the Mizukage.

"Either would have made our work much easier."

Insight flared in Minori's mind like Lord Jiraiya's incredible final technique. Suddenly, she knew how Uzumaki Naruto had really been kidnapped. She knew why none of her friends had come back from their secret mission, and why the Third's hitherto concealed illness suddenly got so much worse that he wasn't even receiving visitors. She knew what Momochi Zabuza had been about to say.

She also knew that this was the kind of knowledge, or at least infallible logic, that got people dying tragically in a skirmish on some distant border.
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I think it's less 'Minori figured out' and more 'Pein downloaded the information directly into her brain'.
 
[X] Lore Update
[X] Action Plan: To Stride Forward

From an in character perspective, this battle was a disaster. Pyrrhic victory in the purest sense.

From a Quest perspective, this outcome was fantastic. Global politics got rearranged. Everyone we would outsource agency to because it made sense in character is dead. We will have to go on missions because we no longer have a Kage for a patron. We now answer to no one. Our personal power is approaching geopolitical relevance, assuming the Akatsuki don't try to rule the world.

I'm excited.
 
Immortal Lurker said:
[X] Lore Update
[X] Action Plan: To Stride Forward

From an in character perspective, this battle was a disaster. Pyrrhic victory in the purest sense.

From a Quest perspective, this outcome was fantastic. Global politics got rearranged. Everyone we would outsource agency to because it made sense in character is dead. We will have to go on missions because we no longer have a Kage for a patron. We now answer to no one. Our personal power is approaching geopolitical relevance, assuming the Akatsuki don't try to rule the world.

I'm excited.
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Something interesting about the results of this fight is that, while the QMs told us that this is somewhere near the worst possible victory we could have achieved (J dead, Oro dead, Hiashi alive, etc.), from the QM side of things certain factors weren't very dependent on the dice rolls in a way that we the players didn't know.

The fact that we got Naruto back is phenomenal and that was not a given from our perspective, but in retrospect nearly any victory would have gotten us Naruto back. The fact that we stopped Pein's ritual safely is amazing, since we didn't know what he was even attempting and whether it could be stopped safely, but in retrospect most victories could have resulted in a safe end to Pein.

The dice were only in our favour enough to eek out a victory, but the situation was organized such that any victory resolved a lot of unknowns favourably, and I'm happy about that.

Also, @eaglejarl, @Velorien, @OliWhail, we saw how close the battle could get but what were the biggest steamrolls in your test runs? Were there any iterations where the allied forces simply obliterated Akatsuki or vice versa?
 
Velorien said:
Fun fact: if there is a WW4, from a certain point of view you will be responsible. You provided Leaf with skywalkers, which caused Leaf to overplay their hand and set up the ill-fated ambush, which delivered Naruto and Yagura to Akatsuki, which kick-started Akatsuki's plans, which led to the Battle of the Gods.
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And if it weren't for Mari we never would have survived long enough to hand Leaf the skywalkers.

Wow, she really was right about this: she really is the source of all suffering in the world.
 
Tua said:
And if it weren't for Mari we never would have survived long enough to hand Leaf the skywalkers.

Wow, she really was right about this: she really is the source of all suffering in the world.
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I mean, mari wouldn't be able to do that without chakra. If you think about it, kagome is right: the sage really is at fault (for mari)!
 
QTesseract said:
I mean, mari wouldn't be able to do that without chakra. If you think about it, kagome is right: the sage really is at fault (for mari)!
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Well then, we have our therapy plan to fix Mari all figured out.

Story Time with Kagome will fix her and then she can start seducing Hiashi and fix the situation we are in.
 
Inferno Vulpix said:
Something interesting about the results of this fight is that, while the QMs told us that this is somewhere near the worst possible victory we could have achieved (J dead, Oro dead, Hiashi alive, etc.), from the QM side of things certain factors weren't very dependent on the dice rolls in a way that we the players didn't know.

The fact that we got Naruto back is phenomenal and that was not a given from our perspective, but in retrospect nearly any victory would have gotten us Naruto back. The fact that we stopped Pein's ritual safely is amazing, since we didn't know what he was even attempting and whether it could be stopped safely, but in retrospect most victories could have resulted in a safe end to Pein.
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Actually, I was very surprised about that stuff. We debated about exactly how the ritual work would happen. Then we placed a couple of items on the timeline and calculated out how long it would take for people to get organized and travel from {Leaf|Sand} to Mist, and then how long it would take for the Kage et al to organize and travel to Nagi Island. Without our intention, it turned out that the AlliedNations forces would (A) arrive before the ritual ended and (B) would arrive 6 hours in, just after Yagura died. Furthermore, based on the mechanics of recovery and the amount of damage that Naruto took during USOUD, he woke up from his trauma within a few hours of the battle.
 
eaglejarl said:
Actually, I was very surprised about that stuff. We debated about exactly how the ritual work would happen. Then we placed a couple of items on the timeline and calculated out how long it would take for people to get organized and travel from {Leaf|Sand} to Mist, and then how long it would take for the Kage et al to organize and travel to Nagi Island. Without our intention, it turned out that the AlliedNations forces would (A) arrive before the ritual ended and (B) would arrive 6 hours in, just after Yagura died. Furthermore, based on the mechanics of recovery and the amount of damage that Naruto took during USOUD, he woke up from his trauma within a few hours of the battle.
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Have we heard anything about Naruto's present state, then?
 
eaglejarl said:
Actually, I was very surprised about that stuff. We debated about exactly how the ritual work would happen. Then we placed a couple of items on the timeline and calculated out how long it would take for people to get organized and travel from {Leaf|Sand} to Mist, and then how long it would take for the Kage et al to organize and travel to Nagi Island. Without our intention, it turned out that the AlliedNations forces would (A) arrive before the ritual ended and (B) would arrive 6 hours in, just after Yagura died. Furthermore, based on the mechanics of recovery and the amount of damage that Naruto took during USOUD, he woke up from his trauma within a few hours of the battle.
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Thinking about it, the presence of Minori also likely didn't make a difference. Nagato likely would have cancelled the ritual to save his friends regardless instead of blowing himself and everyone on the island up.

It really is a pity none of the sealmasters survived.
 
MMKII said:
Minami clan head is dead.

Don't forget Team Gai : specifically Lee and Tenten. They're gonna be sad af because Gai is dead. They need a pal(s).

We need to deepen relations with non-political allies too. That means people like Tenten and Lee who are extremely OP in their respective domains, and chunks of clanless nin.

Here are my earlier suggestions. They boil down to "Get Mari's head out of her ass."


One more thing: Check if Uzumaki is a major/minor clan in Leaf, legally speaking. Specifically if it gets a council vote. It would provide a great pretext to not actually adopt Naruto immediately, and have him assign us as his proxy there.

To be quite honest, I don't give a crap if we have to get down on our knees and beg Sasuke to take our side, or trade off 12% of Hazou's future offspring to the Uchiha in marriage. We need to strenghten the anti-Hiashi bloc as much as possible.

There is no conceivable way that "Hiashi as Hokage" is good for the Uchiha's autonomy.
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I don't know if going that far is a good idea. People know the Kurosawa. There is a good chance the Uchiha know about the Kurosawa's sharingan potential and Hazo is from the main line. Offering a union between our future offspring and marrying the Iron nerve bloodline into the Uchiha would be a strong offer I think, but obviously it shouldn't be our opening offer, just a fallback if necessary. We have Noburi (and hopefully Naruto's) bloodlines to keep the Goketsu strong if giving away the IN is required, but I would rather leave that as a last resort.
 
Shadowwarp said:
I don't know if going that far is a good idea. People know the Kurosawa. There is a good chance the Uchiha know about the Kurosawa's sharingan potential and Hazo is from the main line. Offering a union between our future offspring and marrying the Iron nerve bloodline into the Uchiha would be a strong offer I think, but obviously it shouldn't be our opening offer, just a fallback if necessary. We have Noburi (and hopefully Naruto's) bloodlines to keep the Goketsu strong if giving away the IN is required, but I would rather leave that as a last resort.
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Keep in mind we have not idea how to enable the Wakahisa bloodline.
 
Inferno Vulpix said:
Something interesting about the results of this fight is that, while the QMs told us that this is somewhere near the worst possible victory we could have achieved (J dead, Oro dead, Hiashi alive, etc.), from the QM side of things certain factors weren't very dependent on the dice rolls in a way that we the players didn't know.

The fact that we got Naruto back is phenomenal and that was not a given from our perspective, but in retrospect nearly any victory would have gotten us Naruto back. The fact that we stopped Pein's ritual safely is amazing, since we didn't know what he was even attempting and whether it could be stopped safely, but in retrospect most victories could have resulted in a safe end to Pein.

The dice were only in our favour enough to eek out a victory, but the situation was organized such that any victory resolved a lot of unknowns favourably, and I'm happy about that.

Also, @eaglejarl, @Velorien, @OliWhail, we saw how close the battle could get but what were the biggest steamrolls in your test runs? Were there any iterations where the allied forces simply obliterated Akatsuki or vice versa?
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To expand on what @eaglejarl said, there could have been some more interesting outcomes depending on who survived. For example, if Hiashi hadn't been there to see Pain's chakra and realise just how bad an idea killing him would be, or if Jiraiya and Orochimaru had survived and were able to shut down the seal without Pain's involvement.
 
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