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Marked for Death: A Rational Naruto Quest

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Inferno Vulpix said:
If we want Hazou to interrupt and talk about the importance of the alliance and stuff, we need a coherent plausible fact-chain that Hazou could have used to infer the harmful intent of Zabuza's message even if Hazou had no idea what Zabuza was going on about.
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Zabuza stated that the truth was "inconvenient for politicians", and then started saying something about "it was a trap", in the context of crashing an international party. I think that's enough to conclude that he's planning to reveal something which would sour relations between someones, even if Hazou doesn't know who these someones are.

Honestly, the party-crashing part is probably enough on its own. It doesn't even matter what he plans to say: he interrupted a peaceful international event because of some personal violent agenda, thereby signaling that he values the latter more than preventing warfare. That's enough to make Hazou plausibly angry at him.
 
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Noumero said:
Zabuza stated that the truth was "inconvenient for politicians", and then started saying something about "it was a trap", in the context of crashing an international party. I think that's enough to conclude that he's planning to reveal something which would sour relations between someones, even if Hazou doesn't know who these someones are.

Honestly, the party-crashing part is probably enough on its own. It doesn't even matter what he plans to say: he interrupted a peaceful international event because of some personal violent agenda, thereby signaling that he values the latter more than preventing warfare. That's enough to make Hazou plausibly angry at him.
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Hm. We might be able to swing that, actually... go on a bit of a tear into him, make eye contact with Ikeda (as a clan member in Sand, she'll be aware of the importance of international alliances) to continue it when he directs his KI at Hazou...

e: To be clear, if he'd challenged us in any way that had Mist's backing, we wouldn't have a chance, but he's being a maverick here, and that leaves him vulnerable in a number of ways, including simply to being shouted out of the room.
 
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Incidentally, slapping a time-delayed Banshee Seal on Kakuzu might be one of the most effective ways to kill him; somehow I feel like surviving having literally everything that constitutes his necromantic abomination of a body vibrate itself into thick black paste would be more than a little tricky for him.
 
I realize I didn't say as such at the time, but I really enjoyed the chapter @Velorien! As excited as I am to get back to what's going on with the gang in Mist, it was cute to see Hanabi dragging Neji out of the archives -- and seeing the sobering consequences of Nikkou's death reflected on her family.

e: On which note, for those that missed it:

Velorien said:
The purpose of the party was to help Minori. She'd been very quiet ever since she lost her sister three months ago, and sometimes Hanabi heard her crying when she thought she was alone.
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Minori is Nikkou's sister.
 
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Cariyaga said:
Hm. We might be able to swing that, actually... go on a bit of a tear into him, make eye contact with Ikeda (as a clan member in Sand, she'll be aware of the importance of international alliances) to continue it when he directs his KI at Hazou...

e: To be clear, if he'd challenged us in any way that had Mist's backing, we wouldn't have a chance, but he's being a maverick here, and that leaves him vulnerable in a number of ways, including simply to being shouted out of the room.
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[SHITPOST] Call Zabuza a traitor for revealing confidential information
 
Inferno Vulpix said:
Remember that the reason Jiraiya didn't take stronger action against Zabuza earlier is that doing so would implicate Jiraiya in whatever conspiracy Zabuza seems to be about to unveil. If Hazou speaks up like he knows what Zabuza's about to say, that'll implicate Hazou in whatever "It was a trap. And the ones who set us up, the ones responsible for all this—" Zabuza was about to tell everyone about.

If we want Hazou to interrupt and talk about the importance of the alliance and stuff, we need a coherent plausible fact-chain that Hazou could have used to infer the harmful intent of Zabuza's message even if Hazou had no idea what Zabuza was going on about.
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Something utterly ridiculousscould work, ex
-Captain Zabuza, will you marry ne?
-when Zabuza start to do anything, talk loudly to Ami: "won the bet, so you owe me another meeting"

Ami is considered crazy enough to do something like that, and it wouldn't implicate us.
Just an example.
An Ami manouver could work, it's the point, choas is a ladder, as Ami would say.

Or

[Jk] Operation Artemis
- The barrier to the Out is weak, in place with so much chakra, use it.
-Call upon Rikyhofoslyon, Lord of the Out, Queen of Twisted Time and Prince Of Acasuality, his/her true name [UNREADABLE] will call his attention.
-Use his aspect as Prince to retcon Zabuza(See Sealing failures, Ishimura Junior).
-Gift his aspect as Queen to Ami, and bring back time to the start of the night.
-Notify Ami she owe a favour to the Queen of Twisted time, enjoy her expression.
-Take tea with Rikyho-Chan, she enjoy chololate and strawberry in sugar,Do. Not. Forget
 
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Lord Marshal said:
[Jk] Operation Artemis
- The barrier to the Out is weak, in place with so much chakra, use it.
-Call upon Rikyhofoslyon, Lord of the Out, Queen of Twisted Time and Prince Of Acasuality, his/her true name [UNREADABLE] will call his attention.
-Use his aspect as Prince to retcon Zabuza(See Sealing failures, Ishimura Junior).
-Gift his aspect as Queen to Ami, and bring back time to the start of the night.
-Notify Ami she owe a favour to the Queen of Twisted time, enjoy her expression.
-Take tea with Rikyho-Chan, she enjoy chololate and strawberry in sugar,Do. Not. Forget
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This is the most implausible plan I've ever read in this thread.

Strawberries aren't available in winter.
 
@eaglejarl, @Velorien, @OliWhail, is the voting open?
Shard said:
Why didn't Zabuza just flat declare the details anyway? Was he insulted at not being invited?
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Pragmatic reason: He wanted to frame it for maximum impact. Saying something like "Leaf has flight seals they baited Yagura and twenty our jounin using their jinchuuriki and killed them, but then Akatsuki kidnapped both jinchuuriki" conveys all relevant information, but it leaves some room for Jiraiya and Ren to maneuver to make themselves look better, perhaps by overstating Akatsuki's involvement.

Monkey-brain reason: He also wanted everyone to know why exactly he was doing what he was doing, he wanted to see their — especially Jiraiya's, I assume — faces when he tore down their lies and obfuscations and collapsed their farcical alliance on itself. He isn't doing that just to create chaos, he has a point to make, and he is making it.
 
Noumero said:
Honestly, the party-crashing part is probably enough on its own. It doesn't even matter what he plans to say: he interrupted a peaceful international event because of some personal violent agenda, thereby signaling that he values the latter more than preventing warfare. That's enough to make Hazou plausibly angry at him.
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What are the odds that this whole act was not ordered by Ren? And Ren doesn't want to ruin the alliance, I don't think. So maybe there is a different goal to be achieved here.

(Assuming it's not a genjutsu.)

I don't think Zabuza has a history of being disloyal or letting his emotions rule him but in that scene he reminded me more of canon-Kakashi more than anything.
 
Hey @eaglejarl @Velorien @OliWhail, if Zabuza were to utilize his KI/Jounin Aura directed at Hazou, would that be sufficiently-offensive (given, well, how powerful it is bound to be) a gesture for Jiraiya to intercede, in Hazou's opinion?

Basically, if Hazou were to get Zabs to KI him, could Jiraiya use it as a reason to take more overt action in getting Zabuza to leave? Trying to work out victory conditions here, if we're still able to vote.
 
What clan is Yuriko from? I didn't know the Nara had dedicated rivals. How does a clan like that continue to matter over the long term?
 
Tua said:
What are the odds that this whole act was not ordered by Ren? And Ren doesn't want to ruin the alliance, I don't think. So maybe there is a different goal to be achieved here.

(Assuming it's not a genjutsu.)

I don't think Zabuza has a history of being disloyal or letting his emotions rule him but in that scene he reminded me more of canon-Kakashi more than anything.
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Mist has an anti-alliance war-hawk faction. I agree that Zabuza is acting mildly OOC there, but it's entirely possible that he sided with them over Ren, and is therefore acting on their orders (under the pretense of being overcome by his emotions, to avoid implicating said war-hawks (quite ingenious, if true: Ren isn't going to execute their only (?) S-rank ninja, which means they get to blow up the alliance and avoid all consequences)).

Whatever it is, it doesn't change anything: Jiraiya didn't plan this, which means it's Enemy Action, which means we need to stop it — and we have an excuse to do so. And even if Ren ordered this, she'll likely deny any involvement and defuse the situation upon arrival.
 
MMKII said:
I suppose we could stand up and announce that the orgy is cancelled?
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I said and i repeat, when well used crazy works.
Ninja always predict what the other will do, because it's whst let them remain alive, Chaos can take everyone by surprise in the approriate moment...aside from Jiraya level people.
Ami understand this, she's also a living computer, but we are an hive-mind.

Velorien said:
This is the most implausible plan I've ever read in this thread.

Strawberries aren't available in winter.
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I'm sure the Eldricht abomination that control broken time and the lack of casuality is a well rounded individual that will accept such justification.
.. Individual? Hive-mind? Something?
She/he likes chocolate, so it can't be so bad, right?
*Ishimura Junior screams from his non-existence of untold pain*
 
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Lailoken said:
We should scribe a silence mine on the back of a banshee seal and see what happens when they duke it out.
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Aspirin becomes unavailable worldwide for three days.

Noumero said:
is the voting open?
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Yes. It's safe to assume voting is open after every chapter unless explicitly stated otherwise.


Cariyaga said:
Hey @eaglejarl @Velorien @OliWhail, if Zabuza were to utilize his KI/Jounin Aura directed at Hazou, would that be sufficiently-offensive (given, well, how powerful it is bound to be) a gesture for Jiraiya to intercede, in Hazou's opinion?

Basically, if Hazou were to get Zabs to KI him, could Jiraiya use it as a reason to take more overt action in getting Zabuza to leave? Trying to work out victory conditions here, if we're still able to vote.
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HDK, but it seems not unreasonable.

Rafin said:
What clan is Yuriko from? I didn't know the Nara had dedicated rivals. How does a clan like that continue to matter over the long term?
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HDK
 
Here's a (hastily-written) plan. Borrows from @Oneiros'.

[x] Action Plan: Five Kinds of Murder
Wordcount: 283.
  • Dispel.
    • If successful, and you find yourself captured: attempt to escape outside and attract people's attention; if impossible, do as much damage to captors as you can.
  • Thoughts:
    • Ren is on her way, Sunohara's message is very distracting... but Zabuza only needs to shout out twenty more words.
    • Jiraiya's hands are tied, but you're a deniable asset: if you interrupt Zabuza, people will see a politically incompetent kid, not a conspirator.
    • Excuse: Zabuza crashed a peaceful international party because of a personal vendetta, thereby showing he doesn't care about improving international relations. He's part of the problem, and you're enraged.
  • Party's over. Make sure other genin don't get in the way. Get an ANBU to escort them to the barracks.
    • Locate Ikeda: we want to keep in touch
  • Contingency (if Zabuza is about to continue despite the distraction and Jiraiya's efforts):
    • Loudly interrupt him. Angrily admonish him for trying to destroy the fragile peace, for selfishly continuing the cycle of violence which slowly devours humanity, et cetera.
    • Draw from your tournament speech, make it seem like its ill-thought-out continuation.
    • If hit by KI: employ Hana's advice, focus on stalling Zabuza until Ren arrives.
  • Operation Murder:
    • After the party, mention to Jiraiya that you have a potentially helpful idea.
    • In high-OPSEC conditions:
      • Itachi's relationship with the Crows is strained: he'd apparently slaughtered one of their political factions.
      • Pantsaa had implied that he'd be able to forcibly bring Keiko to the Seventh Path if she betrayed him.
      • If true, Jiraiya could assemble a team of summoners, either negotiate with or attack the Crows, then have Karanium summon Itachi into an ambush.
        • May be worth contacting Orochimaru via Snakes?
      • Possibly would work with Kisame's Sharks too.
 
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Spend 1 FP declaring we still have a bunch of party supplies stored up from Kagome's birthday party.

Throw confetti and streamers everywhere.

Scream "Captain Zabuza, you won!".

Begin a long congratulatory speech highlighting his exemplary hunting skills.

Make sure it slowly dawns on everyone that you're congratulating Zabuza on winning a game of hide and seek.

Use your ability to be painfully sincere to really drive this home. You're really glad that the jig is up and that you no longer have to wake up sweating at night wondering if Zabuza is underneath your bed roll. He truly is the best.
 
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Word count: 210
[X] Action plan: Operation Murder
  • Dispel
  • Game night is over, obviously. Make sure the other Genin dont get in the S-rankers and Jounins way
    • Try to find an ANBU agent to escort the Genin to their barracks
    • Locate Ikeda and let her know we want to keep in touch
  • Tell Jiraiya when he has a moment that we had an idea that might be helpful.
  • In high-OPSEC privacy pitch the following idea
    • Keiko mentioned that the polemarch hinted that he could forcibly bring her to the seventh path.
    • If this is true we could force the crows to reverse summon Itachi
      • We know that he doesn't have a good relationship with them.
      • Itachi apparently fought the clan solo, but it's probably a good idea to bring backup.
      • We don't know many summoners, but this may be worth contacting Tsunade and Orochimaru.
        • We can already guess that you're in touch with him, after that board game he sent.
        • But if you're not we could send a message through the pangolins
      • Keiko might be able to help if Jiraiya thinks it a good idea
    • Hazō of course is ready to scribe any seals the strike force might need
    • Also might work on Kisame's Sharks.
  • Go home and get packed, there's a likelihood you'll be leaving Mist very soon.
 
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