- Location
- Europe
@eaglejarl , @Velorien , @OliWhail , Any info on how much money Granny made with the two clients? Also have you decided what's up with the fifth pangolin jutsu?
Marked for Death: A Rational Naruto Quest
- Thread starter eaglejarl
- Start date
-
- Tags
- naruto rationalist romance armageddon is looking better and better damn you kishimoto explosions everywhere explosives solve everyone if in doubt surrender to the mercy of zabuza it seemed like a good idea at the time looks like a really bad case of being a jōnin my god. where does the lore end? precommitting is the winning plan screaming in kagome screw the rules i have explosives something bad might still happen sometimes you gotta sociopath stabby zabby subsection c of paragraph 9 should include we can weaponize this so hard
Do we still think Panashe would get maluses for unfamiliar terrain if we drew her a map?
- Location
- Under a Rock
Akane is about as good at cracking as Hazou is good at stealth. And everyone says that Hazou is bad at stealth, even for genin. So if Lizardbreath's cabinet has stood up to generations of academy students, I would not feel confident that Akane could beat it. I mean, she has better odds than anyone else, but still.
Given that Lizardbreath was a chunin, it would be irresponsible of us to assume that he had a trap skill of less than 30, and we should really assume 40. Akane has cracker 15.
I say we should hire whoever the best cracker is on super team leaf. If there isn't a cracker specialist, then we need an alternate route. If he purchases booze often, we could attempt to sabotage his supplier instead. Or maybe his secretary has a key?
Given that Lizardbreath was a chunin, it would be irresponsible of us to assume that he had a trap skill of less than 30, and we should really assume 40. Akane has cracker 15.
I say we should hire whoever the best cracker is on super team leaf. If there isn't a cracker specialist, then we need an alternate route. If he purchases booze often, we could attempt to sabotage his supplier instead. Or maybe his secretary has a key?
- Location
- USA
You know what why not. Plan diversity!
[X] Action Plan: Hey honey, would you mind doing me a big favor...
Burglary:
Ask Akane to do the burglary.
-With her Cracking she has a not-impossible chance of pulling it off alone
-Less eyes are likely on her than on the Goketsu Traitors
-Fewer moving pieces/risks if Keiko doesn't have to summon a pangolin and we all have solid deniability since we'll have alibis
-In the worst case if she's caught then the fallout will be less so than if we're caught
--Her boyfriend always talked about how mean his headmaster was and how it had all those traps (a challenge!), she wanted to impress Hazou..., etc.
>If Akane can't/won't or we're talked out of it or the like then go with Keiko as per Roomba's plan.
Dealing with our attackers
>What Roomba said.
[X] Action Plan: Hey honey, would you mind doing me a big favor...
Burglary:
Ask Akane to do the burglary.
-With her Cracking she has a not-impossible chance of pulling it off alone
-Less eyes are likely on her than on the Goketsu Traitors
-Fewer moving pieces/risks if Keiko doesn't have to summon a pangolin and we all have solid deniability since we'll have alibis
-In the worst case if she's caught then the fallout will be less so than if we're caught
--Her boyfriend always talked about how mean his headmaster was and how it had all those traps (a challenge!), she wanted to impress Hazou..., etc.
>If Akane can't/won't or we're talked out of it or the like then go with Keiko as per Roomba's plan.
Execution thoughts:
Afterwards, ensure that Lizardbreath's condition can't be swept under the rug. An anonymous tip by a concerned parent about the headmaster behaving erratically during mornings, for example.- Use the dead drops or a discreet conversation (we're all staying the night at the same inn, right?) to give Akane the lowdown and a map of the complex
- Justify the risk to her team: Offer appropriate seal-based bribes, pool our resources to protect out clients while they're down a defender, etc.
- Go late at night, preferably when it's darkest, so the bandana doesn't impede stealth too much.
- Put a Silence Mine down to cover the entirety of Lizardbreath's office.
- Don't forget to recover it while exfiltrating!
- Spike the booze with Noburi's paranoia nut oil.
- If it's not safe to do so (because it's too strong), focus on memorizing Lizardbreath's schedule and any other interesting documents in the office.
- Plant the rest of the oil in such a way that it's not visible, but a cursory search of the office should reveal it.
Dealing with our attackers
>What Roomba said.
Last edited:
- Location
- USA
Double-posting for alerts and to keep the plan post clean.
I take the point about Akane's Cracking not being awesome. Do we have any idea how much better Panache's is? It's >1, but by how much?
If you had to pick some arbitrary number (for instance, Keiko's arbitrary number here is 1 and Akane's is 15...) to describe Panache's skill with dealing with human-type traps, what range might it be in?
I take the point about Akane's Cracking not being awesome. Do we have any idea how much better Panache's is? It's >1, but by how much?
If you had to pick some arbitrary number (for instance, Keiko's arbitrary number here is 1 and Akane's is 15...) to describe Panache's skill with dealing with human-type traps, what range might it be in?
Last edited:
- Location
- Potato land
I don't like the idea of asking Akane to do it, because it feels like taking advantage of her. Realistically, if she were a stranger, she wouldn't agree to it, and I don't expect any of our Superteam Leaf allies to agree either. In a weird way, getting caught is actually less dangerous for us, as we have a reasonable motive of wanting to get back at Lizardbreath - we're going to look incompetent, but not malicious. A random Leaf Chuunin candidate sneaking into the Mist academy headmaster's office can be interpreted much less generously, I think.
It also necessitates telling other people about our intentions behind the prank, which I'd really like to avoid. Again, as long as it just looks like a prank, we'll get away with some egg on our faces. If someone lets slip that it was actually an attempt to put political pressure on the Mizukage... things start looking a lot worse.
This is a really strange way of estimating the skills of enemy ninja that comes up time and time again in this thread. We are Chuunin-level ninja, and we don't have Trapmaking skills above 30. I wouldn't be surprised if there wasn't a single candidate in this exam with that high of a Trapmaking skill, as it's a relatively niche specialty, same reason few people will have a social skill in the same range.
It'd be another thing if Lizardbreath was known as a trap specialist, but he was apparently in T&I before this assignment, which would suggest a social focus if anything. Also, realistically, I'm pretty sure even Trapmaking of around 10 would be enough to defeat the vast majority of academy students.
It also necessitates telling other people about our intentions behind the prank, which I'd really like to avoid. Again, as long as it just looks like a prank, we'll get away with some egg on our faces. If someone lets slip that it was actually an attempt to put political pressure on the Mizukage... things start looking a lot worse.
This is a really strange way of estimating the skills of enemy ninja that comes up time and time again in this thread. We are Chuunin-level ninja, and we don't have Trapmaking skills above 30. I wouldn't be surprised if there wasn't a single candidate in this exam with that high of a Trapmaking skill, as it's a relatively niche specialty, same reason few people will have a social skill in the same range.
It'd be another thing if Lizardbreath was known as a trap specialist, but he was apparently in T&I before this assignment, which would suggest a social focus if anything. Also, realistically, I'm pretty sure even Trapmaking of around 10 would be enough to defeat the vast majority of academy students.
Last edited:
- Location
- Under a Rock
We are Chuunin-level, but we easily get our core skills into the 40's and beyond. I am willing to accept that a much lower score would seem basically insurmountable to the vast majority of academy students.
Here is where I messed up. I misread that as "No student in thirty years, which would include the current Mizukage, the previous Mizukage, and Zabuza, has ever broken into this man's liquor cabinet." I had assumed that in 30 years there would be at least one student who had mid to high genin cracking and tried to get into the cabinet. But rereading the description, for all we know that student existed, and succeeded. Its not like Lizardbreath would tell us if that happened.
So Akane's 15 cracking, while not ideal, could very well be enough.
---
And now for something
(!!!)
What is this and why are we not using it constantly? Could this be used to check for traps behind a door without opening the door? To see the internal structure of solid objects? I can't find stats for this on the wiki.
EDIT:
(!!! !!! !!!)
How, exactly, does this work? Because the way I read this, staple echolocation to an adjustable inverse banshee slayer and you have created everything from an X-Ray to a goddam long range sonar scanner.
Last edited:
- Location
- Yes.
We gain an equivalent malus to Stealth. And this is a Stealth mission.
Additional items for Lizardbreath plan:
-Send both K and N, not just one or other. N does the dosing as medic. Conditional on borrowing a backup from another Leaf team. Other Leaf team doesn't need to know mission, 2 hour window.
-Early evening conference with other Leaf teams, quick. Share info, do they have any asks, tell them about team Trap, privately reach out for a backup during prank to most likely.
-Ask K, are there any obvious ways we can multiply our return, with little additional investment, if the prank is successful? If we had more supply?
-Warn the Yazuka, if prank is successful
e: Warn in such a way that they think they're getting inside info, not that we did it.
-Engage our Proctor at dinner.
Get her to talk about her past, how much more does she need to make before she can retire, etc. Try and learn what she/he really thinks about us, and about cash
Practice our Mari skills where she can observer. Let her find out before hand, perhaps by accident. Under the guise of softening up clients
Ask her if she can get more supply if business goes unexpectedly well
-Send both K and N, not just one or other. N does the dosing as medic. Conditional on borrowing a backup from another Leaf team. Other Leaf team doesn't need to know mission, 2 hour window.
-Early evening conference with other Leaf teams, quick. Share info, do they have any asks, tell them about team Trap, privately reach out for a backup during prank to most likely.
-Ask K, are there any obvious ways we can multiply our return, with little additional investment, if the prank is successful? If we had more supply?
-Warn the Yazuka, if prank is successful
e: Warn in such a way that they think they're getting inside info, not that we did it.
-Engage our Proctor at dinner.
Get her to talk about her past, how much more does she need to make before she can retire, etc. Try and learn what she/he really thinks about us, and about cash
Practice our Mari skills where she can observer. Let her find out before hand, perhaps by accident. Under the guise of softening up clients
Ask her if she can get more supply if business goes unexpectedly well
Last edited by a moderator:
Cariyaga
Handsome Gentleperson
- Location
- United States
Keiko would get 15 Stealth versus 20 Awareness against the most basic of genin guard. Personally, I anticipate she'd be more likely to encounter chuunin guards, with closer to 30 Awareness, which would require terrible rolls on their part and good rolls on ours for her to even have a chance. While she could use fate points to get bonuses, she's only got so many.
That said...
@eaglejarl @Velorien @OliWhail You said before that we used pangolin in the forest so they'd be instantly-identifiable as Keiko's, right? But... didn't we only use Panache and the engineer pangolin? Did anyone actually see Panache?
Ample Accelerate
Gotta stab fast
- Location
- Texas
Maybe we need another zabuza interlude.
We rode a giant pangolin (panjandrum probably) to get past the initial ambushes.
- Location
- Yes.
Panjandrum: Man, nobody remembers me.
Pankurashun: That's because you're a slacker and a layabout.
Panjandrum:
Cariyaga
Handsome Gentleperson
- Location
- United States
Oh, right.
Speaking of which, Keiko should train with her pangolin a lot during the month break. Particularly Panjandrum.
- Location
- USA
See here I think you're making all my points for me.
No one else would agree - Yup, except Akane who trusts us implicitly.
Random Leaf candidate doesn't have an excuse - Except Akane, who can say her boyfriend asked her to prank the headmaster, or that her boyfriend was always complaining about Lizardbreath and she wanted to impress Hazō...
We shouldn't tell other people the prank's intentions - We can trust Akane to keep her lips zipped; alternatively, if we don't think she has the stats to stay mum, tell her it's need-to-know and we'll talk about it later. And she'll actuall go along with it and trust us.
—
This all smells a bit like taking advantage, I'll admit, but I think that's just the surface layer. Akane trusts Hazō because he's earned that trust, and returns it. Team Uplift would kill or die for her, and she knows it. Akane's own future is fairly heavily tied up in Goketsu's, in large part by her own free will.
Asking Akane to do this is a sign of faith and trust in her that any of the team would repay in a heartbeat, not "taking advantage".
Last edited:
It amazes me that we never even got around to asking what their special element(s) is.
zap lunch
Last edited:
- Location
- Potato land
@Cariyaga how about this: Keiko moves alone through the city towards the academy. She finds a secluded spot next to it, then summons Panashe, whom she briefs on the academy layout. Panashe goes in, scouts the guard patrol pattern if there are any, and cracks either the window or the main door. She goes back to Keiko, who, with the bonuses granted by this preparation, should really have no trouble getting in undetected.
I really want to avoid the backpack idea. Putting mechanics aside, it just sounds really unrealistic, and I fear the QMs would place some truly awful maluses on Panache for it.
Honestly, considering some academy students managed to get past the guards, their Alertness can't be that high, but then the chance of them spotting an unburdened Panashe should be minuscule as well.
I really want to avoid the backpack idea. Putting mechanics aside, it just sounds really unrealistic, and I fear the QMs would place some truly awful maluses on Panache for it.
Honestly, considering some academy students managed to get past the guards, their Alertness can't be that high, but then the chance of them spotting an unburdened Panashe should be minuscule as well.
Last edited:
Cariyaga
Handsome Gentleperson
- Location
- United States
- Location
- Yes.
Mostly in agreement with this, some simple suggestions:
- Consider the pros/cons of using an underground tunnel, either to get to the academy or to get to the headmaster's office. Or both. Panashe has a go-underground jutsu IIRC.
- Have Keiko summon Pandaa earlier to get reverse summoned, and brief Panashe in the Summoning Realm earlier.
Cariyaga
Handsome Gentleperson
- Location
- United States
As far as execution details go: Can Panache operate seals? If yes, we should have her use Silence Mines on the way there.
@eaglejarl @Velorien @OliWhail Repinging you about an idea for how Cracking could work, unsure if y'all saw it before:
Cracking may be used in place of both Awareness (perhaps at a low multiplier ie 1.1x? So Examination still has use. Alternately, subsume that effect of Examination entirely into Cracking, and subsume the "finding aspects of an area" part of examination into Awareness? I'm still pretty interested in getting rid of skill bloat; we can deal with the skill pyramid with ninjutsu instead.) and Craftsmanship(Trapping) for the purposes of finding and disabling traps.
Actual underground tunnels would be pretty obvious, wouldn't it? And a bad idea to leave evidence around.
@eaglejarl @Velorien @OliWhail Repinging you about an idea for how Cracking could work, unsure if y'all saw it before:
Cracking may be used in place of both Awareness (perhaps at a low multiplier ie 1.1x? So Examination still has use. Alternately, subsume that effect of Examination entirely into Cracking, and subsume the "finding aspects of an area" part of examination into Awareness? I'm still pretty interested in getting rid of skill bloat; we can deal with the skill pyramid with ninjutsu instead.) and Craftsmanship(Trapping) for the purposes of finding and disabling traps.
- Location
- Yes.
Only if the tunnels themselves are permanent, instead of turning back into ground after XYZ time.
- Location
- Potato land
Replying to some outstanding suggestions below, sorry for the spaghetti.
With that said, part of the benefit of shorter plans is easier modification. If you have a great idea that I didn't want to include, it's not so hard to copy my plan and modify it to your liking. Hack away!
Two of ours need to stay with the client. Current accommodations have Noburi and Hazou sleeping in the same room as said client. Keiko is the one carrying out the op because she can leave freely. Having more people on a stealth mission also does more harm than good, as they all need to pass Stealth checks.
This is something multiple people have proposed (@1234qwerty), but I don't know that we have any way of achieving it. We only have the info drop, which has a time delay, and we want to execute asap. I'm personally also not a big fan of informing anyone outside the clan of what we're doing, but the scheduling issue is the main obstacle here.
I'm not sure what you mean here. We can't buy more stock for the client.
This sounds like something that would fall under our general "get along with the client" attitude. If you want to know any info that would come up in the process, maybe just ask the QMs? It is a good idea to find this out, but might not be worth putting in this particular plan.
I don't think you can spend FP to bend circumstance to your will like this, though if @eaglejarl thinks differently I'll be delighted to reconsider the possibilities.
In general, we're doing the thing at night, so opportunities for distractions are limited. What would distract the academy guards enough at night to force them to leave their posts? I doubt a domestic dispute would be enough.
Is that how it works? I thought you needed to lift and hold an object in your hands for it to come along?
I'm not sure about that. A decoy prank still tells the target that someone successfully broke into the office and left without being caught. He would become suspicious and alert, and might notice that his booze tastes slightly different, or notice the drug's onset and call for help.
How? We have no ability to contact any enemy teams, and they have no reason to trust anything we say.
Assaulting a genin of one of Mist's most prominent clans would be cause for a huge point penalty and likely disqualification from the exam. Setting up some kids to drug themselves drinking Lizardbreath's booze would work if we could be sure it wouldn't harm them, but I don't think we have time to prepare that elaborate of a con.
With that said, part of the benefit of shorter plans is easier modification. If you have a great idea that I didn't want to include, it's not so hard to copy my plan and modify it to your liking. Hack away!
Two of ours need to stay with the client. Current accommodations have Noburi and Hazou sleeping in the same room as said client. Keiko is the one carrying out the op because she can leave freely. Having more people on a stealth mission also does more harm than good, as they all need to pass Stealth checks.
This is something multiple people have proposed (@1234qwerty), but I don't know that we have any way of achieving it. We only have the info drop, which has a time delay, and we want to execute asap. I'm personally also not a big fan of informing anyone outside the clan of what we're doing, but the scheduling issue is the main obstacle here.
I'm not sure what you mean here. We can't buy more stock for the client.
This sounds like something that would fall under our general "get along with the client" attitude. If you want to know any info that would come up in the process, maybe just ask the QMs? It is a good idea to find this out, but might not be worth putting in this particular plan.
I don't think you can spend FP to bend circumstance to your will like this, though if @eaglejarl thinks differently I'll be delighted to reconsider the possibilities.
In general, we're doing the thing at night, so opportunities for distractions are limited. What would distract the academy guards enough at night to force them to leave their posts? I doubt a domestic dispute would be enough.
Is that how it works? I thought you needed to lift and hold an object in your hands for it to come along?
I'm not sure about that. A decoy prank still tells the target that someone successfully broke into the office and left without being caught. He would become suspicious and alert, and might notice that his booze tastes slightly different, or notice the drug's onset and call for help.
How? We have no ability to contact any enemy teams, and they have no reason to trust anything we say.
Assaulting a genin of one of Mist's most prominent clans would be cause for a huge point penalty and likely disqualification from the exam. Setting up some kids to drug themselves drinking Lizardbreath's booze would work if we could be sure it wouldn't harm them, but I don't think we have time to prepare that elaborate of a con.