Marked for Death: A Rational Naruto Quest
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- naruto rationalist romance armageddon is looking better and better damn you kishimoto explosions everywhere explosives solve everyone if in doubt surrender to the mercy of zabuza it seemed like a good idea at the time looks like a really bad case of being a jōnin my god. where does the lore end? precommitting is the winning plan screaming in kagome screw the rules i have explosives something bad might still happen sometimes you gotta sociopath stabby zabby subsection c of paragraph 9 should include we can weaponize this so hard
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We don't know if Akane's death was an AMITY violation.
It seems ill-advised to me to request more involvement from Akatsuki, especially in front of Asuma.
We should definitely not let Sasori know that 3D sealing is even a thing. He has enough personal power as it is.
Cariyaga
Handsome Gentleperson
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How do y'all feel about donking down a couple pouches full of gems as payment for Hidan and Kakuzu's time? This is a gesture aimed primarily at Kakuzu, but making sure people who have the capacity to affect the world are provided with compensation for their time seems appropriate.
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Ah, poop. I need to get more sleep. Fixed it ^.^
Asuma said it was.
Asuma recognises that Stop the World From Ending takes precedence, and has said as much.
This is a ploy we've been discussing on discord: If Sasori is working on the dragons then that's time he's not spending on working on necromancy. If he beats us to getting control of the rift, project necromancy fails. Anything we can do to distract and slow down his efforts (such as "hey, help us stop the apocalypse!") is useful.
Seconded
I also think this Invoke is a good idea. Hidan isn't likely to force us to fight something while Asuma is standing right there.
So unless you think that's probable, I recommend it. If you do, then it's a waste of chakra.
What cabal is this?
[x] Action Plan: All You Billiard Balls
Honestly I'm not sold on this. I nominally trust Asuma more than Hidan and Kakuzu, and there's a higher likelihood of surviving Asuma than them. Leaf will probably be destroyed, which is also counterproductive to our goals. If Hazo does in fact survive (and that's a big if), then there's no way he's living this down from his family. Hidan and Kakuzu aren't benevolent leaders punishing people's wrongdoings, they're psychopatic mass-murderers.
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Just a point Asuma is also a mass-murder.
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Honestly, don't feel too much pressure to vote for it. It was a meme action plan (as seen by @_The_Bomb not putting a true x/X within the brackets, which is what the auto-tally catches). I only voted for it because I was too sleep deprived from driving 12+ hours to notice the joke.
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This isn't actually true. It's just that the cases where it's turned out badly are very memorable.
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Nah, a SC can refill with Noburi before it pops which would completely refill prime
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A couple takeaways from the last chapter, in my mind.
1a) We absolutely should get Kagome SC. Some folks in the thread have pushed for it in the past (I'll fully admit to being (iirc) neutral on it), but I think after this is the big time to do it. Considering the scope of the things we're researching, like bijuu seals and Dragonwar, extra hands would go a long way. Kagome had a good point about infusions as well. Even if he isn't FOOMing, then it's still worth it. That said...
1b) I think we should let Kagome in on FOOM. We trust him with necromancy, and that's at least as big of a deal, IMO. It's unlikely Kagome will ever go all in on FOOM, because the opportunity cost of seal research we need right now. But it could help. And as a trap master sealmaster summoner, even just him getting his evasion and reserves up help his survivability so much. There's lots of things we want to include Kagome in, except for his poor ability to keep a secret. But we know OOC that isn't really true, and IC we know he mostly figured it out and didn't say anything until it came up in honest context (and even then, only in our secure private office). And if we want him to improve his deception or sealing, well, golly gee, this helps with that.
2) AMITY isn't working. We are still killing enemy ninja. They are still killing us. Asuma just nuked a village. Lots of anger still runs deep. I'm not saying it potentially can't work. But I am saying that so far, things seem depressingly business as usual. I know it will take some time for, how did Ami phrase it, "realize having other villages alive could actually be good for business"? But at the least Leaf hasn't been abiding by the spirit or the letter so far. And thus, I'm also concerned that this isn't exactly just a housecall to talk to Hazou. This could be the "yo, y'all haven't been holding up your end of the bargain, and we know" beatdown. After all, the timing seems a pretty big coincidence.
1a) We absolutely should get Kagome SC. Some folks in the thread have pushed for it in the past (I'll fully admit to being (iirc) neutral on it), but I think after this is the big time to do it. Considering the scope of the things we're researching, like bijuu seals and Dragonwar, extra hands would go a long way. Kagome had a good point about infusions as well. Even if he isn't FOOMing, then it's still worth it. That said...
1b) I think we should let Kagome in on FOOM. We trust him with necromancy, and that's at least as big of a deal, IMO. It's unlikely Kagome will ever go all in on FOOM, because the opportunity cost of seal research we need right now. But it could help. And as a trap master sealmaster summoner, even just him getting his evasion and reserves up help his survivability so much. There's lots of things we want to include Kagome in, except for his poor ability to keep a secret. But we know OOC that isn't really true, and IC we know he mostly figured it out and didn't say anything until it came up in honest context (and even then, only in our secure private office). And if we want him to improve his deception or sealing, well, golly gee, this helps with that.
2) AMITY isn't working. We are still killing enemy ninja. They are still killing us. Asuma just nuked a village. Lots of anger still runs deep. I'm not saying it potentially can't work. But I am saying that so far, things seem depressingly business as usual. I know it will take some time for, how did Ami phrase it, "realize having other villages alive could actually be good for business"? But at the least Leaf hasn't been abiding by the spirit or the letter so far. And thus, I'm also concerned that this isn't exactly just a housecall to talk to Hazou. This could be the "yo, y'all haven't been holding up your end of the bargain, and we know" beatdown. After all, the timing seems a pretty big coincidence.
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There is virtually no chance I will ever support this before FOOM is straight up public. We're having trouble keeping it secret as-is. The truth will be out within days if Kagome hears about it. In fact, I feel like it has been mentioned he deliberately leaves the room when he thinks such things might be brought up around him.
Noumero
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Rolled out a round of edits. @Inferno Vulpix, @ContextBot, @Rafin, @Sir Stompy, implemented some of your suggestions.
@MadScientist, your plan strikes a great tone. Stole a few ideas.
... This might end up a 500-word plan, it's not terribly compressible without losing important nuance. I think it's worth it.
@MadScientist, your plan strikes a great tone. Stole a few ideas.
... This might end up a 500-word plan, it's not terribly compressible without losing important nuance. I think it's worth it.
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@eaglejarl @Velorien @Paperclipped How many people can you train in Summoning at once?
Based on what we've seen of it (like Hazou teaching Kagome) it seems like there is enough "Downtime" between instructor commentary that you could feasibly be training multiple people at once but on the other hand, it seems that at some point there would be too many students to keep up with.
Just throwing out a number, 3 seems like a reasonable amount to me. Jonin train teams in threes, Kagome was teaching 3 people Sealing at once (actually, it might have been 4...?) Etc.
Based on what we've seen of it (like Hazou teaching Kagome) it seems like there is enough "Downtime" between instructor commentary that you could feasibly be training multiple people at once but on the other hand, it seems that at some point there would be too many students to keep up with.
Just throwing out a number, 3 seems like a reasonable amount to me. Jonin train teams in threes, Kagome was teaching 3 people Sealing at once (actually, it might have been 4...?) Etc.
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He already knows, we got confirmation this chapter.
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Talk to Kagome. Treat him with the competence he deserves.
Be frank: there are secrets we are keeping from you, and secrets we are not yet able to aquire. Here are the reasons we can share. Here are the costs you would incur to get access, here are the things we would need to prove, here are the political costs, here are the time costs. Mari has the final word on when we are ready, and we will need to ask Asuma what it would take to convince him, but otherwise the decision to move forward is yours.
Be frank: there are secrets we are keeping from you, and secrets we are not yet able to aquire. Here are the reasons we can share. Here are the costs you would incur to get access, here are the things we would need to prove, here are the political costs, here are the time costs. Mari has the final word on when we are ready, and we will need to ask Asuma what it would take to convince him, but otherwise the decision to move forward is yours.
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He knows FOOM to the same extent that Asuma knows FOOM: he knows that Shadow Clone is good for training. He doesn't know of the Resolve feedback loop, or the Noburi limit break, or that we're achieving results far and away greater than what any other Leaf-nin not named Naruto can achieve.
Those are the critical parts of FOOM, and they're the secret we have to guard with our lives. It doesn't matter that Kagome knows Shadow Clone training is a thing, because everyone in Leaf with SC already knows it's a thing. Telling him about the actually secret parts would just expand FOOM's risk vectors for zero tangible gain.
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I think you're underestimating Kagome's ability to connect the dots. I'm also not saying we should tell him the specifics out of the blue. The point I'm making is that he knows enough for it to be dangerous already. Might as well see if he can benefit from it too rather than just posing a security risk with no upside.
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If you're already going over 500, this might be worth including as well:
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I wonder if jonin make fun of each other's specializations the way that different military branches make fun of each other?
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"Of course you're a ninjutsu jonin, I've seen your taijutsu forms and they're terrible."
"Oh? You're a social spec jonin? That silver tongue of yours is useless in a real fight."
"A taijutsu spec? Here, I'll pay for lunch." (slides over a box of crayons)
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"Of course you're a ninjutsu jonin, I've seen your taijutsu forms and they're terrible."
"Oh? You're a social spec jonin? That silver tongue of yours is useless in a real fight."
"A taijutsu spec? Here, I'll pay for lunch." (slides over a box of crayons)
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Once he has Shadow Clone, sure. He benefits from knowing about FOOM once he can actually do it himself, and until then it doesn't help him at all. Telling him now would do more than just expand the risk vectors for spreading FOOM (which is a huge problem in its own right, only worthwhile when the other side of the exchange is "Kagome gets to FOOM"), it underlines just how dramatically the rest of the party is pulling ahead of Kagome. He already attributes that gap to Shadow Clone, yeah, but I just don't think it'd be pleasant for him to hear that we pioneered a route to godhood and couldn't bring him with us.