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... what the fuck
Marked for Death: A Rational Naruto Quest
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- naruto rationalist romance armageddon is looking better and better damn you kishimoto explosions everywhere explosives solve everyone if in doubt surrender to the mercy of zabuza it seemed like a good idea at the time looks like a really bad case of being a jōnin my god. where does the lore end? precommitting is the winning plan screaming in kagome screw the rules i have explosives something bad might still happen sometimes you gotta sociopath stabby zabby subsection c of paragraph 9 should include we can weaponize this so hard
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"You're so serious... it's just a prank, bro!"
I'll shamelessly admit bias, here. I would very much enjoy HRT being a thing in MfD. So here's a quick scattershot list of possible reasons. Maybe some combination will be convincing?
- Perhaps chakra boosting is more effective? Anyone who wants a steroid could use/train Chakra Boost instead for a larger boost, rather than steroids.
- A quick Google search tells me that T, when used as a steroid, is administered in huge amounts. It could be that the side effects of such large doses are considered not worth it by anyone who isn't suicidal?
- Notably, this leaves room for ninja who go on suicide missions (which, iirc, must be requested directly from the Tower).
- One of the side effects of T as a steroid (again, from a quick Google search, so disclaimers abound) is that it can affect Menstration in women and cause testicular shrinking/impotence in men.
- Since ninja are so rare normally, and pregnancies always difficult (even more so for bloodline pregnancies), it's likely that ninja in the EN have shied away from using T as a steroid.
- Though if the option is "young Trans ninja kills themselves due to body dysphoria" or "Trans ninja has a successful military career, but must perform daily jutsu to maintain health," I suspect most cultures will choose the latter. Ninja are simply too precious of a resource. Besides, there are plenty of jutsu and rituals cisgendered ninja do (just look at Pangoling Conditioning Jutsu, or Noburi's Akimichi workouts for his chakra)
- It is my understanding that, once you stop steroid use, the muscles that you built go away. So you have to keep taking it in order to maintain the muscles you build. And when combined with the longterm side effects (again, that negatively impact the chances of procreation)... I could see that being enough.
- It could be that pumping more testosterone into already-traumatized ninja (TYS, jumpy, PTSD, EN Deathworld) is perceived to be a bad idea, given the potential side effects.
- It could also simply be that Athletics is more important than Physique. Sure, being able to tank hits is fun (yay, armor jutsu!), but in MfD's high lethality setting, the better option is to simply... not be there. So Steroid use probably isn't seriously considered, since that kind of bulky Physique would hamper flexibility and Dexterity (both of which are important when it comes to dodging taijutsu, kunai and jutsu).
- Lots of pre-modern cultures acknowledged the existence of Trans people, and it makes sense that the Elemental Nations would, too. I could see HRT medical jutsu being pigeonholed, mentally, as "physical therapy jutsu for those whose souls were placed into the wrong body. Bringing their bodies proper alignment with their soul." We see similar cultural blinders in Mist regarding the Wakahisa Clan, and in Leaf regarding Shadow Clone useage.
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Tsunade constantly talks about how not every ninja is suited to be a Medic nin. Maybe she can tell the ones who can stay true to their values, the ones who will only be a mildly bitter (but still ultimately loyal, and thus useful), and those who will break under the cultural pressure/scorn?
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Hazō hasn't heard of any, but if it was his clan, he'd definitely take steps to keep such a weakness secret (e.g. by regularly adopting normal ninja and making sure their descendants were mixed in among the true heirs).
They do not. However, it's also true that a Wakahisa born without the Vampiric Dew would be the shame of the clan and you'd be unlikely to hear about them unless you knew them personally. (This is less true for children of adoptees, who may or may not receive the blessing of the Wakahisa ancestors while in the womb.)
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Announcement regarding notes XP:
Previously, we had said that Hazou and co. could read 1 set of XP-lootbox notes per day without interrupting their daily activities. We weren't considering ACE training at the time, which is a similar time expenditure. These are now mutually exclusive. Unless you vote for Hazou and co. to stop ACE training, they no longer get the 1 set of notes for free.
Said another way, you may only freely use one "several hours" auxiliary training method per day.
Previously, we had said that Hazou and co. could read 1 set of XP-lootbox notes per day without interrupting their daily activities. We weren't considering ACE training at the time, which is a similar time expenditure. These are now mutually exclusive. Unless you vote for Hazou and co. to stop ACE training, they no longer get the 1 set of notes for free.
Said another way, you may only freely use one "several hours" auxiliary training method per day.
Mari said something about men are stronger than women in close combat fighting, or maybe their reach? suggesting that mundane strength matters even after chakra, on average (exceptions like tsunade).
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informal poll on whether to continue ACE training.
[] Continue ACE training
[] Stop ACE training
Unless ACE training finishes soon. Or we run out of notes soon. Or the XP gained from ACE over leveling chakra resolves is large. I prefer
[x] Stop ACE training
fair. but we already have a lot of potential branches for generalism. Sealing, FOOM, summoning, earthshaping, free medical skills from notes, and I guess we already invested in combat via Roki build. Feels like we don't need to become even more generalist than planned (by buff his combat) to maintain pyramid
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informal poll on whether to continue ACE training.
[] Continue ACE training
[] Stop ACE training
Unless ACE training finishes soon. Or we run out of notes soon. Or the XP gained from ACE over leveling chakra resolves is large. I prefer
[x] Stop ACE training
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What if Hazou and Akane pull a Kei and summons Shadow Clones as soon as he wakes up? Would the clones be able to study notes while Prime does ACE?
also even if we can continue doing ACE training without giving up notes. Hazou has more important things to do in general to make the time cost not worth it. And especially in the short term, we have been prioritizing conclave short term stuff over long term XP
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@Paperclipped
For the jutsu audits. Do you want us to mention exploitable/clarification stuff even if they have intuitive ways to clarify them/make them non-exploitable?
Ex: make the creations temporary chakra constructs instead of real permanent objects. Not allowing the objects to be spawned inside another person.
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For the jutsu audits. Do you want us to mention exploitable/clarification stuff even if they have intuitive ways to clarify them/make them non-exploitable?
Ex: make the creations temporary chakra constructs instead of real permanent objects. Not allowing the objects to be spawned inside another person.
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This costs a clone block. Otherwise, this is fine though.
Chakra constructs are always temporary unless the permanent benefit is purchased on the jutsu spec. Objects generally cannot be spawned inside another person, but yes, it's worth mentioning.
is everything created by jutsu, even permanent objects (ex from MEW), a chakra construct?
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rules for MEW state
"If this surface is the earth itself, the prisms produced by the technique are actual granite."
Does this mean real objects not produced by jutsu (ex: hazou's body or the air or the sun) are also chakra constructs?
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does anyone remember what bonuses jiraiya's notes on learning elemental natures gives?
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ACE also only requires 5 days a week to train though, for a cumulative 15 hours. It seems like a huge pain in the ass to track day of the week, so could we model that as a reduced rate of notes studying for prime?
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[X] Continue ACE training
This stunt is way too good to not pursue imo. Even for Noburi who doesn't really benefit from the extra chakra part still greatly benefits from it increasing the chakra boost bonus, especially since he doesn't need to worry about the main drawback of boost, the chakra cost.
We're also on diminishing returns notes for everyone who's actually studying them so they're not quite as lucrative as they once were. Still good but not as good as having ACE.
But tbh this poll should be done on a character to character basis before we formalize anything.
This stunt is way too good to not pursue imo. Even for Noburi who doesn't really benefit from the extra chakra part still greatly benefits from it increasing the chakra boost bonus, especially since he doesn't need to worry about the main drawback of boost, the chakra cost.
We're also on diminishing returns notes for everyone who's actually studying them so they're not quite as lucrative as they once were. Still good but not as good as having ACE.
But tbh this poll should be done on a character to character basis before we formalize anything.
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If we had had a chakra farm set up on 7path. Hazo and kei could keep FOOMing with keeping OPSEC at least. Wonder if we could rush setting that up.
Also naruto provided chakra for toad summoning. Can drain chakra from him confirmed! Now we can get all our chakra from him without buying from ninja since it's so cheap too him (we should still buy some so naruto doesn't know how much chakra we using). Naruto can also subsidize chakra for all the other ninja that want chakra from Nob
Edit: there's probably a lot of projects we can do now that we have nigh infinite chakra
Edit2: brainstorming what we can do sounds useful. Although I guess it wasn't explicitly mentioned on screen whether noburi actually went along with hazo idea to absorb naruto chakra
Also naruto provided chakra for toad summoning. Can drain chakra from him confirmed! Now we can get all our chakra from him without buying from ninja since it's so cheap too him (we should still buy some so naruto doesn't know how much chakra we using). Naruto can also subsidize chakra for all the other ninja that want chakra from Nob
Can you be more specific of how good it is?
Edit: there's probably a lot of projects we can do now that we have nigh infinite chakra
Edit2: brainstorming what we can do sounds useful. Although I guess it wasn't explicitly mentioned on screen whether noburi actually went along with hazo idea to absorb naruto chakra
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Permanent 5% increase in chakra per purchase. 2 copies is 10%, 3 is 15% etc. For a Clan of Summoners an extra 50 or more chakra is extraordinarily useful, but having more chakra is just always good even if you're not a Summoner.
Additionally, each copy gives you +2 to chakra boost. Let's say we have 3 copies down the line. If Akane has idk Taijutsu 70, her boost is +8. Well, ACE would make that a +14 instead. It starts outcompeting PKH eventually.
The big kicker here is the massive time investment required of ACE. Down the line we can blast through as many notes as we want with shadow clone, if we care to. ACE on the other hand, that time can NEVER be made up. The longer we wait the more we lose out in the end. You can't speed up training ACE with SC
And people were calling Hazou's build inefficient
[X] Continue ACE training
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Our boy got a concussion and took a weekend course and wound up the greatest seal master in the world
[X] Continue ACE training
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[X] Continue ACE training
While this certainly makes it more tempting to resume SC notes study, on balance I think my arguments from earlier remain largely intact. The notes will still get studied eventually, since sooner or later we'll hit the softcap on ACE and won't be able to buy any more of it, and (at the very least right now) there's minimal short-term value in increasing our Sealing any further.
If we unbottleneck ourselves somewhere in the medium term, I can now imagine a stronger argument in favour of resuming SC notes-reading, but right here and now it's more valuable to spend those clones on FOOM.
While this certainly makes it more tempting to resume SC notes study, on balance I think my arguments from earlier remain largely intact. The notes will still get studied eventually, since sooner or later we'll hit the softcap on ACE and won't be able to buy any more of it, and (at the very least right now) there's minimal short-term value in increasing our Sealing any further.
If we unbottleneck ourselves somewhere in the medium term, I can now imagine a stronger argument in favour of resuming SC notes-reading, but right here and now it's more valuable to spend those clones on FOOM.
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[X] Continue ACE training
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IIRC it's in early April. Current date is early November.
In canon Yamanaka are drawn without pupils, and I thought at some point in MfD they were described as not having them.
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I think the Hyuuga don't have pupils but I don't remember anything about the Yamanaka being mentioned
But how good is 50 chakra and +6 chakra boost? What is the context of how big those numbers are?
Edit: @eaglejarl @Paperclipped @Velorien
Since shadow clone training blocks give bonus XP. Can hazou prime doing multiple training blocks give increased XP as well? Would be weird if works for clones but not prime
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