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I don't think we intend to use new-EM to the exclusion of all else, only as a part of a greater plan to wipe EM out of existence.
Marked for Death: A Rational Naruto Quest
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- naruto rationalist romance armageddon is looking better and better damn you kishimoto explosions everywhere explosives solve everyone if in doubt surrender to the mercy of zabuza it seemed like a good idea at the time looks like a really bad case of being a jōnin my god. where does the lore end? precommitting is the winning plan screaming in kagome screw the rules i have explosives something bad might still happen sometimes you gotta sociopath stabby zabby subsection c of paragraph 9 should include we can weaponize this so hard
Isan fear the Asura (the sannin). I don't remember them ever fearing thinkers?
[x] Action Plan: Answering Asuma Modless
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[x] Action Plan: Answering Asuma Modless
Adding Mari should ask Asuma's permission. He explicitly said he would decide whether to fill her in.
This is initial brainstorming with very few people. We shouldn't be filtering ideas at this stage. Even if they are bad, mentioning them might cause asuma/shika to think of a good idea.
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Oh you are right that we didn't get permission for Mari. But we did get permission for Akane.
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Didn't voting already end?
It's nearly 4pm in the UK now
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Oh right it's Wednesday. Lmao I completely forgot.
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Ok now that it won't interfere with voting I'd like to poll yall again
I think it's better that until the conclave passes, we stop using SC for extra notes reading (prime will still be able to). Any spare XP for FP or stat bumps for the conclave is more important imo, as the Sealing XP accrued in that time does not greatly benefit our Conclave efforts. Hazou's sealing ability is currently held back by Calligraphy, so one extra Sealing level doesn't do us any favors for the Conclave. Additionally, that extra level doesn't come for several more weeks anyways, so there'd be little time to utilize it for extra last minute research, and even if there were time, the difference in what we can do between a single level of Sealing is minimal.
I'd much rather have an extra ~30 XP we can buy FP with for the Conclave. Also, as @Inferno Vulpix can probably elaborate on better than I, we're technically wasting long term XP when we don't have only prime doing the studying, so it may be worth stopping anyways now that we're on diminishing returns notes.
Please choose an option:
[X] Hazou should only use Prime to study Sealing notes.
[X] Hazou should keep using 3 Shadow Clone training blocks for Sealing notes.
I think it's better that until the conclave passes, we stop using SC for extra notes reading (prime will still be able to). Any spare XP for FP or stat bumps for the conclave is more important imo, as the Sealing XP accrued in that time does not greatly benefit our Conclave efforts. Hazou's sealing ability is currently held back by Calligraphy, so one extra Sealing level doesn't do us any favors for the Conclave. Additionally, that extra level doesn't come for several more weeks anyways, so there'd be little time to utilize it for extra last minute research, and even if there were time, the difference in what we can do between a single level of Sealing is minimal.
I'd much rather have an extra ~30 XP we can buy FP with for the Conclave. Also, as @Inferno Vulpix can probably elaborate on better than I, we're technically wasting long term XP when we don't have only prime doing the studying, so it may be worth stopping anyways now that we're on diminishing returns notes.
Please choose an option:
[X] Hazou should only use Prime to study Sealing notes.
[X] Hazou should keep using 3 Shadow Clone training blocks for Sealing notes.
[X] Hazou should only use Prime to study Sealing notes
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The main thrust here is that once we got our hands on the notes we were already entitled to all the XP within them. Whether it's now or later, sooner or later all that XP will wind up within Hazou's character sheet. Meanwhile, every single training block we spend FOOMing is bonus XP we can't get back if we pass it up. If we divert 10 XP worth of clones to note-reading (and then FOOM optimally otherwise), we will wind up exactly 10 XP behind the Hazou who FOOMs optimally without any clone-note-reading.
Which isn't to say that there's no value in having clones read notes, we've seen with our own eyes how much value a Sealing push like that can accomplish. But returns diminish over time. Let's suppose diverting 10 XP worth of clones speeds up our notes-reading by 40 XP: that's very worth it in the short term. But what if we've hit the worse notes? When we hit the 2 XP/day notes the payoff is halved, but the expense remains the same.
Moreover, since the benefits of clone-note-reading only manifests in terms of short-term payoff (every clone spent reading notes is intrinsically net-negative on our XP totals, remember), the value of the tradeoff is dependent on our short-term situation. Higher Sealing gives us two immediate boons: we can research more difficult projects, and we can research projects faster. The former goal was very poignant when we started doing this, but now that we're bottlenecked by calligraphy we can't get any more value out of it in the short term. The latter goal remains useful, but marginal for all but the most difficult of seals (especially given that we physically cannot attempt seals at the limit of our Sealing ability due to our calligraphy bottleneck).
In short, not only are we starting to run into the lower XP/day notes with strictly worse payoffs than the initial notes, we've already extracted the vast majority of the value we could possibly gain from this maneuver. Our Sealing is, in the short-term, functionally maxed out, and any benefits to it result in very marginal improvements to our research capabilities at best. Meanwhile the cost of each clone diverted from FOOM remains constant, continually shaving slivers of XP off of our medium and long-term XP totals. Overall it was a very fruitful maneuver but I think it's time to stop.
[X] Hazou should only use Prime to study Sealing notes.
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At least until we can steal more notes from another legendary sealmaster and get 4/day again 😈
Only other living legend we know about and haven't read currently is Sasori, but it's possible there are others that are lesser known. Alternatively, stuff like Whirlpool lore or even just other past S rank sealmasters may have left stuff behind after they died.
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@eaglejarl , @Velorien , @Paperclipped
If Hazou were to make sealing notes for future Goketsu sealmasters, would those notes use Hazou's Sealing stat before or after SSA?
On one hand: it's his effective Sealing level
On the other hand: he's been shown to struggle to explain his eldritch insight to Kagome, and may not he able to communicate that understanding
If Hazou were to make sealing notes for future Goketsu sealmasters, would those notes use Hazou's Sealing stat before or after SSA?
On one hand: it's his effective Sealing level
On the other hand: he's been shown to struggle to explain his eldritch insight to Kagome, and may not he able to communicate that understanding
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>hazou writes a book and its just full of incoherent scrawlings and eldritch chant
>"that's my nephew" thinks Orochimaru
Is it possible for non-legendary sealmasters to drop XP lootboxes? Like just a Kagome level dude
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Explain how dangerous the Great Seal and how helpful a Sealmaster (Not named Oro) that is as good as Jiraiya would be to Leaf(Point to the fact that we are the best Sealmaster in Leaf as a Chuunin) Naruto. Then leverage the fact that we shared Jiraiya's legacy to ask for Minato's Sealing notes of any type, finish the negotiation by offering Jiraiya's catalogue of seal and offering to research any X amount of seals + supplying said seal to him or the tower in exchange for the Sealing notes.
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personally, I doubt it. They may allow you to take stunts you wouldn't be able to otherwise though, such as Hazou being able to adopt Kagome's Sealing style stunt 'Yes, Even the Dances"
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[X] Hazou should only use Prime to study Sealing notes.
I don't disagree with anything you said and def do agree that for now should stop but my annoying desire to be technically correct makes me point out that even at 2xp notes we are actually doing better than your example of 10 for forty. Studying 2xp notes costs us about 1.2 XP per day and gives us a payout of 6XP. So five times what it cost us.
Note that Shika is also in the room.
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I'm not entirely convinced this will be sufficient... maybe when jman is back just make him bully naruto for the notes
I do wonder what he intends on keeping all the sealing stuff for though, if he doesn't intend to learn Sealing (at least, it doesn't seem like he is interested.) I guess to pass on to his future clan...?
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