Marked for Death: A Rational Naruto Quest
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- naruto rationalist romance armageddon is looking better and better damn you kishimoto explosions everywhere explosives solve everyone if in doubt surrender to the mercy of zabuza it seemed like a good idea at the time looks like a really bad case of being a jōnin my god. where does the lore end? precommitting is the winning plan screaming in kagome screw the rules i have explosives something bad might still happen sometimes you gotta sociopath stabby zabby subsection c of paragraph 9 should include we can weaponize this so hard
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I was more approaching it from talking to Yuno directly, but this works.
[X] Action Plan: Heart to Hearts
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I meant it more broaching to Yuno that her actions broke propriety and the expectations of hosting guests, and then explain the relevance of Goketsu values/methods of resolution, communication and openness within our clan, then offer to mediate a frank discussion of issues, expectations and feelings between her and Noburi as Clan Head.
I'm a Social Work student at uni, which probably explains where I come from approaching these problems.
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Noburi's probably going to get super "GET YOUR NOSE OUT OF MY BUSINESS" defensive and "THAT'S MY WIFE" protective (read in a John Mulaney voice). They're teenage newly-weds. Even if we optimize this/sanity check it with Mari, I don't really see Noburi reacting well.
He was jealous of Hazou when he began courting Ino while also dating Akane, and is likely to throw Hazou's polyamory in his face as a rebuttal. Noburi really doesn't seem to be focusing on the ethical part of "ethical non-monogamy."
I maintain that, as trusting and awesome of a brother as Noburi is, if he breaks Yuno's heart, she gets Hazou in the divorce. (Mostly joking).
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Another option, perhaps somewhat optimistically, is that Noburi is just really bad at his word choice ("getting it on"), and has a lot of platonic girl friends --which Yuno then overreacts to, but Noburi thinks her overreactions are sexually attractive and romantically appealing (ignored childhood and early adolescence, scorned romantically and trivialized socially, finds Yuno's violent devotion/obsession to be flattering and ego-boosting, likely doesn't realize the depth of hurt, trauma, and fear Yuno's actions are rooted in), so he doesn't correct her.
He was jealous of Hazou when he began courting Ino while also dating Akane, and is likely to throw Hazou's polyamory in his face as a rebuttal. Noburi really doesn't seem to be focusing on the ethical part of "ethical non-monogamy."
I maintain that, as trusting and awesome of a brother as Noburi is, if he breaks Yuno's heart, she gets Hazou in the divorce. (Mostly joking).
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Another option, perhaps somewhat optimistically, is that Noburi is just really bad at his word choice ("getting it on"), and has a lot of platonic girl friends --which Yuno then overreacts to, but Noburi thinks her overreactions are sexually attractive and romantically appealing (ignored childhood and early adolescence, scorned romantically and trivialized socially, finds Yuno's violent devotion/obsession to be flattering and ego-boosting, likely doesn't realize the depth of hurt, trauma, and fear Yuno's actions are rooted in), so he doesn't correct her.
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Both of these scenarios are just more evidence that we need to intervene, because that ends with someone fucking dying and we keep timeskipping away to dealing with existential threats, so I don't want to come back at some point and find that Yuno has murdered someone and the Hokage is demanding that we personally execute her.
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Hazou is coming to him as a brother/friend first and foremost, but he could do it as a Clan Head if need be. Yuno's behavior is not acceptable and Hazou is trying to course correct in the gentlest way possible, but something needs to change. She can't be hospitalizing people over her marriage because that reflects horribly on the clan (on top of being bad for their marriage and bad behavior in general). Hazou is asking if he can do anything for Noburi first, but if that's not what Noburi wants he can go directly to Yuno to handle the issue instead
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I do think we need to raise it to some degree with Yuno first. She's just going to react in usual patterns unless we make it clear from the position of authority over her that she recognises and acknowledges, what exactly went wrong and what the Goketsu clan expects in terms of resolving issues and not leaving things to fester.
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You're making good points here. I think that, ultimately, we're going to need to talk to Yuno, but I'd like to a) get the lay of the land from Noburi first (maybe they have talked about it! maybe he can point out some non-obvious Isanese failure modes we can avoid!) and b) loop him in before we credibly go meddling in his relationship.
If there were more room in the plan, I'd be writing a conversation with Yuno. As it stands, I think that going to Noburi first makes more sense, or is at least lower-variance. I do not trust Hazo to mediate an emotionally-charged conversation between two people he has relationships with, but one-on-one in controlled situations, he can probably handle.
I've made some minor updates to the plan to emphasize that bystanders are getting hospitalized etc.
Also! I am really pleased to learn we have someone with a social work background in the thread. STEM perspectives seem very prevalent, and your posts are always really interesting/engaging, a decent chunk of which is (likely) due to the unique perspective you have. Thank you!
Basically, all of this. I'd also like to give Noburi a shot at working this out after we've made the unacceptability clear to him, both in the spirit of Delegation and because I do trust him. I give him decent odds and I'd be surprised if his efforts made our potential subsequent attempts worse.
I don't think that he's going to tell us to get out of his business - if he does, we can point out that Yuno hospitalizing people and chasing away guests makes it our business - and if he gets THAT'S MY WIFE protective, we can make similar arguments. Yes, she's your wife, but there are going to be consequences down the line if she keeps doing this and we want to protect her from those. I further think that approaching this as 'there are patterns in your relationship that hurt both you and Yuno' centers empathy enough for him to respond well...especially if Pilot primes the emotional pump by getting him to talk about ACE (good job, Noburi!) then his overall relationship with Yuno (you're doing a good job of helping someone who is effectively an alien feel at home! also, your gripes are legitimate!) and then goes in for the 'hey, this is a specific issue, let's talk about it'. What Yuno does hurts him. What he does hurts Yuno. Hurt people hurt people. I'm confident that they can break this cycle if they just sit down and talk to each other.
I think that Noburi doesn't correct Yuno because he thinks doing so would endanger his relationship - he seems more than a little afraid of her - but we'll know for certain after this update. (Assuming nothing blows up.)
(..nothing unintended blows up in a way that derails our plans.)
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Brain returns blank when poked for feedback. Understatement to say the plan seems good but not finding better words. Thanks for making it. Maybe asking for one too many scenes.
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He doesn't have Earth Element yet, does he? And Asuma hasn't agreed to anything yet, but he really really should know about it and sign off on the thing before we do anything that relates to his country's economy, politics, international relations, etc
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Do we know what "Noburi doubled chakra reverse" means in practical terms? What actually changed? What can he do now with that Chakra?
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If his internal chakra is just barely above a civilian's, maybe he can do... light chakra adhesion/repulsion? Seal infusion? Maybe he'll eventually be able to make his own seals, if it's part of the bloodline. Tbh I wouldn't recommend seal studying but that's, you know, a possibility.
He could perhaps make his own Vampiric Dew seals despite a broken barrel/other similar issue. Given ridiculous training, both in difficulty and duration. And risk. Troth in difficulty, duration, and risk.
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He can already do all of those things, although the fact that he can make the barrel seals is down to his bloodline and not any knowledge of sealing. He cannot produce any other seals.
He's got the same amount of chakra in his barrel as he did before. Also, he now has 2 CP of internal chakra instead of 1 CP.
I have had an idea. It might be a good idea. It might be a bad idea. But in the end… that's sort of the point.
Introducing the Helpful Agency for Zany Out-of-the-box Unpredictability. You take some ninja and/or civilians, and give them an intense training course on creative problem solving. Desensitise them to sounding crazy around others. Have them scheme against other in training scenarios. Essentially, treat them like the Chaos Legion crossed with how Hazou is actually like. All with the eventual goal of producing a think-tank/leadership-pool/counterintelligence-branch with a very different intellectual specialisation to the Nara, who can act as our equivalent to them. A group of creative scheming experts that can be hired as consultants by people with difficult problems, or put in leadership roles, or unleashed on our enemies.
It's something our disabled ninja could be good at without limbs. It's something our civilians could do without ninja magic. And it's something I imagine both QMs, especially Vel, would love writing.
…but mainly it's an excuse to have an acronym project of our own.
Introducing the Helpful Agency for Zany Out-of-the-box Unpredictability. You take some ninja and/or civilians, and give them an intense training course on creative problem solving. Desensitise them to sounding crazy around others. Have them scheme against other in training scenarios. Essentially, treat them like the Chaos Legion crossed with how Hazou is actually like. All with the eventual goal of producing a think-tank/leadership-pool/counterintelligence-branch with a very different intellectual specialisation to the Nara, who can act as our equivalent to them. A group of creative scheming experts that can be hired as consultants by people with difficult problems, or put in leadership roles, or unleashed on our enemies.
It's something our disabled ninja could be good at without limbs. It's something our civilians could do without ninja magic. And it's something I imagine both QMs, especially Vel, would love writing.
…but mainly it's an excuse to have an acronym project of our own.
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How would this works in term of narrative and QM spoons? Why do you think this would be effective?
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Sounds like it could be fun as the occasional side scene or perhaps even interlude. Worst case, it runs in the background.
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Could he always make his own barrel seals, or is that the result of being taught through trade? I recall him being pretty scared of having to rely on his clan when his barrel eventually wore out.
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As I understand it, he can't make new designs but he can create copies of the one he already knows for repairing barrels/making spares. His current design supposedly will stop working in a few years at which point he would need to obtain a new pattern from the Wakahisa
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I don't think that Noburi would react well to our asking. It would be a grave breach of the whole 'clan secret' thing and possibly sour his relationship with his clan irreparably. I also think this came up previously and we were advised against it.
Put another way, I don't see any real benefit derived from doing it now compared to, say, a year from now, given that I don't trust us to carry out seal research on the topic of the barrels with (pardon the pun) watertight OPSEC. If it leaks that this happened, we might not have started a war but we will have damaged Mist-Leaf relations. The benefit would be...what? Noburi is doing fine right now and there's no real reason to suspect that's going to change within the next few months in a manner we could have impacted given knowledge of the seals.
Consultants for what? Can you give some examples?
Thank you for your kind words! I get nervous when mine is the only plan or when there isn't a lot of discussion of it.
I'm asking for two scenes and some hopefully-background offscreen stuff. (A date with Ino is relatively low-impact (unless I've misjudged our relationship) and trying to visit Mareo is something that's happened offscreen before.) They're maybe a bit hefty but I'm hoping to play to Velorien's strengths, so it won't be too heavy a lift...?
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He could do all that with 1 CP without the barrel? 1 CP is actually worth much more than I thought
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You made a religious conservative Yuno Gasai character.
Hiding in another univsere isn't enough! A single Path isn't enough!
Only fixing her social problems and trauma will help.
Please be happy Lord EvilGM!
