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Marked for Death: A Rational Naruto Quest
- Thread starter eaglejarl
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- naruto rationalist romance armageddon is looking better and better damn you kishimoto explosions everywhere explosives solve everyone if in doubt surrender to the mercy of zabuza it seemed like a good idea at the time looks like a really bad case of being a jōnin my god. where does the lore end? precommitting is the winning plan screaming in kagome screw the rules i have explosives something bad might still happen sometimes you gotta sociopath stabby zabby subsection c of paragraph 9 should include we can weaponize this so hard
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- The Soviet Republic of Canuckistan
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- He/Him
He might want to get checked out by Kabuto or something. I can remove that line. We also need to get SC from Asuma and he might have thoughts there, as Noburi is already hilariously valuable and this is just the icing on the cake.
I have nothing happening offscreen right now. If anyone has suggestions please make your thoughts known.
And so do I continue to focus on Akane, because iunno, it feels like somewhere that I may be helping.
The impression I get from the post update notes is that this is a good step forward, but obviously still early steps. More of the same is probably good to continue for a while, though I will concede that Hazo is inclined to stick his foot in mouth, and that it may be difficult to accept that we should take a more long term approach to this (though I think that may be the good approach here). So maybe some more active steps, if thats what people want.
I like the bolded, would keep them regardless of doing more active things, think they unequivocally help.
The non formatted text is stuff that I dont think will hurt, and may help, depending on how Akane is feeling. Its all also stuff that feels like Hazo to push.
The crossed out stuff feels to me like its pushing too far, especially the Sunset Racer stuff and 'What do you believe in?' question. The latter she's said explicitly she's struggling with a lot, and if she has made progress she feels like sharing, asking what she thinks makes life worthwhile would likely just lead there, without us pushing her if she's not ready to talk about it. The former definitely feels like it risks turning fluffy happy time into argument/sad Akane time, which is not where I think we want to be at this point.
We also should maybe try to get some alone time with Ino at some point? She's been brought up as suffering a lot too, for understandable loss related reasons, but just due to her getting less screen time, I dont feel like we have a great grasp on how well/poorly she's doing, or how we can meaningfully help. Is just company helping her, would clan head to clan head venting be helpful, something else?
The impression I get from the post update notes is that this is a good step forward, but obviously still early steps. More of the same is probably good to continue for a while, though I will concede that Hazo is inclined to stick his foot in mouth, and that it may be difficult to accept that we should take a more long term approach to this (though I think that may be the good approach here). So maybe some more active steps, if thats what people want.
I like the bolded, would keep them regardless of doing more active things, think they unequivocally help.
The non formatted text is stuff that I dont think will hurt, and may help, depending on how Akane is feeling. Its all also stuff that feels like Hazo to push.
The crossed out stuff feels to me like its pushing too far, especially the Sunset Racer stuff and 'What do you believe in?' question. The latter she's said explicitly she's struggling with a lot, and if she has made progress she feels like sharing, asking what she thinks makes life worthwhile would likely just lead there, without us pushing her if she's not ready to talk about it. The former definitely feels like it risks turning fluffy happy time into argument/sad Akane time, which is not where I think we want to be at this point.
We also should maybe try to get some alone time with Ino at some point? She's been brought up as suffering a lot too, for understandable loss related reasons, but just due to her getting less screen time, I dont feel like we have a great grasp on how well/poorly she's doing, or how we can meaningfully help. Is just company helping her, would clan head to clan head venting be helpful, something else?
- Location
- Book Fort
- Pronouns
- They/Them
Honoka's parents are also pretty solid, and we're planning on adopting Honoka as soon as she graduates (provided she wants it, of course). Might be worth suggesting them.
May also want to change "pay" to "arrange." Paying for therapy is normal irl, but in MfD-verse, paying someone to listen to your problems is hella weird. Even that one Yamanaka only accepted Jiraiya's request because "having the Hokage owe you a favor is a good thing" and Kagome's neuroses in particular, was "academically fascinating."
Might I also suggest something non-combat? Maybe walk atop the Goketsu Estate MEW Wall together? IIRC, we were constantly adding to it, so it should be thick/wide enough by now for the both of them to walk side-by-side on.
Maybe also climbing the non-sacred side of the Hokage Mountain? Or going for a leisurely walk across the estate? We could play tag with some of the estate academy students?
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- Yes.
I would recommend "We'll start pushing when you're ready", since the current statement implies we're going to push even if you're not ready.
Shouldn't Akane be its own section, unless we are intending to talk to Noburi about him talking to Akane??
- Location
- Liverpool
[X] Training plan - Hazou: Listening to QMs, Power of the Gods
-Calligraphy 24 -> Calligraphy 29 (135 XP)
[X] Training plan - Akane: Survival of the Toughest
Athletics 48 -> Athletics 50 (99XP)
Physique 31 -> Physique 33 (65 Pangolin XP)
Resolve 59 -> Resolve 60 (51 XP and 9 Yamanaka XP)
[X] Training plan - Kei: Steps towards Independence
Shadow Clone 40 -> Shadow Clone 42 (83XP)
Physique 31 -> Physique 32 (32 Pangolin XP)
-Calligraphy 24 -> Calligraphy 29 (135 XP)
[X] Training plan - Akane: Survival of the Toughest
Athletics 48 -> Athletics 50 (99XP)
Physique 31 -> Physique 33 (65 Pangolin XP)
Resolve 59 -> Resolve 60 (51 XP and 9 Yamanaka XP)
[X] Training plan - Kei: Steps towards Independence
Shadow Clone 40 -> Shadow Clone 42 (83XP)
Physique 31 -> Physique 32 (32 Pangolin XP)
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- United States
I think any decent medic ninja would have a good reason: more medic ninja. Though to push on this basis will pretty much require Noburi to dedicate a substantial amount of time to working at the hospital. That doesn't seem like a concern, but it's important to note.
The only downside for most medic ninja is that they'd be low on chakra afterwards, Noburi won't have that problem.
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- He/Him
Noburi explicitly said a few updates ago that this isn't considered sufficient for someone to learn SC, and in fact was somewhat salty about it IIRC, bc it made the hospital even more understaffed
- Location
- Texas
That's not a valid skill pyramid. You end up with two 40s and three 50s.
- Location
- Texas
Could you add an offscreen but about sending a message to Asuma, presumably through the 7th Path, asking if it's "safe" for us to take a trip to O'uzu right now?
- Location
- Fifth Dimension
[x] Training Plan - Akane: Paper's Path
[x] Training Plan - Hazo: Paper's Path
[X] Training plan - Hazou: Listening to QMs, Power of the Gods
[X] Training Plan - Kei: Leg Day
[X] Training Plan - Noburi: Leg Day
[x] Training Plan - Hazo: Paper's Path
[X] Training plan - Hazou: Listening to QMs, Power of the Gods
[X] Training Plan - Kei: Leg Day
[X] Training Plan - Noburi: Leg Day
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- Location
- The Soviet Republic of Canuckistan
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- He/Him
Eeeh you're probably right. I've pared things down a bit more. I'm not yet happy with the flow, but there's time to workshop it.
I've now added this, albeit offscreen. I don't have the wordcount to have a meaningful onscreen interaction. This might change. I also don't want to tax Vel with three scenes, none of which involve Kei.
I've made both of these changes.
I've left this to Pilot, who I trust.
I've made this change.
Yes. Formatting is hard.
This feels like it carries too high a possibility of going wrong to simply offscreen. Moreover, what benefit do we get? We can make plans to go to O'uzu and execute when he gets back.
@Velorien and @eaglejarl, have we been swapping out Dragon parts for Orochimaru? Has he shared any of his findings? It's now been about a month so we would have made at least one swap thus far. 'Yes, you can assume it was nothing earthshattering, we'll define that outcome once it's relevant' is an answer that I (personally) be quite satisfied with.
Also, do we have any measure of Sasuke's power level? A-rank? B-rank? Could Yuno take him? There was some speculation.
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- Location
- Texas
The ability to GTFO of Leaf and progress Necromancy Quest. We're finally done with Kagome's training, time to skedaddle.
- Location
- The Soviet Republic of Canuckistan
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- He/Him
IMO the gains we get are outweighed by the risks ('Hazo, I'm delicately negotiating world peace, and you're asking me if you can take a field trip? Wait in the killbox.') but feel free to fork my plan!
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- Yes.
The fact that Kagome is slated to take a look at the Great Seal is something I want to see in the next update (either Velorien's or eaglejarl's), given the entire point of giving Kagome the scroll was to get Hazou help with fixing the damn thing. Hazou wandering off to O'Uzu at this point in time is...I don't agree with it.
On the other hand, going off to O'Uzu is a convenient way to get Hazou out of Leaf once Asuma finally gets around to ordering his execution.
On the other hand, going off to O'Uzu is a convenient way to get Hazou out of Leaf once Asuma finally gets around to ordering his execution.
@FaintlySorcerous I'm on board with the changes. I'd say maybe move the last two points up to just below the tone setting, doing romantic gesture seems good and fluffy, and reaffirming how we feel before potentially dipping our toes into more treacherous waters, or even needing to bail out also is good. I'd want to make sure to get both points across before maybe needing to bail out.
Separately, spending time with yuno seems like a good idea, but let's not even approach romantic tones at this time. She already isn't the most fond of us in good times (spending casual time with her will hopefully help this?) and pushing a known boundary seems like asking for trouble.
Separately, spending time with yuno seems like a good idea, but let's not even approach romantic tones at this time. She already isn't the most fond of us in good times (spending casual time with her will hopefully help this?) and pushing a known boundary seems like asking for trouble.
- Location
- The Maple Syrup Mountains
We should also have a little celebration for him. This is no small accomplishment, no matter how you slice it.
As for O'Uzu, I'm still waiting for the AMITY delegation to get back, at which point the future collapses into one of two possibilities: either peace has been achieved and we can afford to go on a field trip (both in terms of personal safety and in terms of being needed in Leaf), or war has reignited and we'll need to play it by ear.
So yeah, I'm happy to make the next update about Kagome and the Great Seal, doing some more MARS research in the background and hopefully getting that AMITY intel finally.
- Location
- The state of Paranoia
Okay, that makes sense. I'm not against it as long as you think it's important.
For offscreen stuff, maybe add that we hang out with Ino alone as well? It's been mentioned that she's suffering too, and this is an equal relationship so it's a terrible idea for us to focus all of our individual attention on Akane and only hang out with Ino when it's all three of us.
Although, upon reading this section, was this supposed to say Ino instead of Yuno? The overtly and subtly romantic parts implies that.
In which case this section looks excellent, just please change from Yuno to Ino before Yuno decides that it would be hypocritical of her to not uh, deepen our relationship with Satsuko in the same way she would if we tried this with Noburi.
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Okay yeah, now I'm about 90% sure you just got the names mixed up.
[X] Training plan - Hazou: Listening to QMs, Power of the Gods
We need more calligraphy.
- Location
- The Soviet Republic of Canuckistan
- Pronouns
- He/Him
Huh?
Goddammit.
Fixed Yuno to Ino.
- Location
- The Maple Syrup Mountains
My thoughts on the Noburi/Yuno situation:
While Noburi definitely needs to keep working hard to accommodate Yuno's boundaries, Yuno's current boundaries aren't very healthy and they stem from very deep-seated issues that I feel about as much confidence in solving as Kei's fatalism.
Maybe there's a chance though. Take the first steps of a long road to recovery, giving her the support she needs to overcome her past and her fears. I don't mind that, but, and I need to stress this, it is not an immediate solution to anything.
The sentiment I see regarding Noburi/Yuno is that we need to do something now before something bad happens. Starting on the long road to recovery does not do this. It may be a good thing to pursue on its own merits, but if we are seriously actually concerned about Yuno killing someone within the next six months then we should be having a very different kind of conversation.
Yuno respects our authority. Perhaps too much, from what we've seen of her inner monologue, and that's something we may help her overcome in time, but it means she'll listen to us if we're speaking as Clan Head. If we want to 'handle the situation', if we're seriously concerned that she'll be a murderess before the year is out, we should order her to keep her murderous impulses in check. Not the nicest thing to do, orthogonal at best to her road to recovery, but if there is a deadly situation afoot and we need to 'handle it' before something explodes, I do not think that support and polite concern will change the risk profile.
Know victory. When we think of a given Noburi/Yuno scene, what is our desired outcome? The last thing I want to see is an update spent on 'you have successfully confirmed that a heartfelt speech does not undo a lifetime of trauma' because we thought having Hazou be Hazou at the problem would 'handle it'.
Know victory, identify our goals and motivations for the scene, and plan our approach accordingly. Are we trying to advance her road to recovery, or are we trying to make sure she's not going to cause a huge problem for us? These are different goals with different approaches, even if you don't agree with what I think the best approaches to each of those are.
While Noburi definitely needs to keep working hard to accommodate Yuno's boundaries, Yuno's current boundaries aren't very healthy and they stem from very deep-seated issues that I feel about as much confidence in solving as Kei's fatalism.
Maybe there's a chance though. Take the first steps of a long road to recovery, giving her the support she needs to overcome her past and her fears. I don't mind that, but, and I need to stress this, it is not an immediate solution to anything.
The sentiment I see regarding Noburi/Yuno is that we need to do something now before something bad happens. Starting on the long road to recovery does not do this. It may be a good thing to pursue on its own merits, but if we are seriously actually concerned about Yuno killing someone within the next six months then we should be having a very different kind of conversation.
Yuno respects our authority. Perhaps too much, from what we've seen of her inner monologue, and that's something we may help her overcome in time, but it means she'll listen to us if we're speaking as Clan Head. If we want to 'handle the situation', if we're seriously concerned that she'll be a murderess before the year is out, we should order her to keep her murderous impulses in check. Not the nicest thing to do, orthogonal at best to her road to recovery, but if there is a deadly situation afoot and we need to 'handle it' before something explodes, I do not think that support and polite concern will change the risk profile.
Know victory. When we think of a given Noburi/Yuno scene, what is our desired outcome? The last thing I want to see is an update spent on 'you have successfully confirmed that a heartfelt speech does not undo a lifetime of trauma' because we thought having Hazou be Hazou at the problem would 'handle it'.
Know victory, identify our goals and motivations for the scene, and plan our approach accordingly. Are we trying to advance her road to recovery, or are we trying to make sure she's not going to cause a huge problem for us? These are different goals with different approaches, even if you don't agree with what I think the best approaches to each of those are.